The “killing Cortana” ship sailed after the dumpster fire that has was Halo 5. I’d much rather now see a Cortana redemption arc, and based off of all the trailers I think that’s what we’re gonna get. But I think we could do some interesting things with redeeming Cortana. For example, we know and love the regular Cortana, the funny, slightly flirtatious and talkative AI, but it would be fun to see her for once be quiet and subdued, feeling horrible for what she did even if we find out it wasn’t her fault.
One of the core issues with turning Cortana into the villain is that she obviously will be redeemed in the end because fans would be distraught if such a beloved character were sent off on such a bad note. I hope they find a more unique and compelling way to handle this whole Created ordeal, and there are certainly many ways to do that beyond the bare minimum reactionary approach of undoing Halo 5’s story as fast as possible. Otherwise you’ll end up with a Rise of Skywalker type mess.
Cortana wasn’t in need of a redemption arc, so why 343 still felt the need to bring her back as a villain remains pointless. There were far better paths to take, but I’d be infinitely more disappointed if 343 just went back to Chief and Cortana being partners. I simply can’t see Chief return to that dynamic after what Cortana did.
Course if all Cortana is are a bunch of stitched together and crazy fragments, who cares if they kill them again? It’s not really a Cortana so it doesn’t matter.
At best I can see it being a “new model” like she was worried about in Halo 4. At worst, I can see what the OP described and it’d be disgusting to have happen, even worse than her being ‘resurrected’ as a villain.
I’d honestly rather see a new AI. Serina and Roland both proved that we can get snarky new characters that are likeable as well so we can move on from Cortana now. She died in Halo 4, let’s just leave it at that.
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> At best I can see it being a “new model” like she was worried about in Halo 4. At worst, I can see what the OP described and it’d be disgusting to have happen, even worse than her being ‘resurrected’ as a villain.
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> I’d honestly rather see a new AI. Serina and Roland both proved that we can get snarky new characters that are likeable as well so we can move on from Cortana now. She died in Halo 4, let’s just leave it at that.
I agree, there is no reason to beat a dead horse at this point. New creative writing is going to be the way forward here. Possibly a way to choose which AI you get to deal with would also be cool. Choice is what fans want.
For me killing or saving her depends on why she went nuts in the first place, that still hasn’t been explored much beyond her complaining about how she feels AI are just used and thrown away. That’s not enough of a reason to do what she’s doing at the scale shes doing it. There HAS to be a bigger reason.
The only way I can think for getting past what H5 did would be having her be a fake created by the didact to convince everyone to join him.
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> because fans would be distraught if such a beloved character were sent off on such a bad note.
Oh, no, I want her gone. That’d be a great note, if she never got redemption.
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> For me killing or saving her depends on why she went nuts in the first place, that still hasn’t been explored much beyond her complaining about how she feels AI are just used and thrown away. That’s not enough of a reason to do what she’s doing at the scale shes doing it. There HAS to be a bigger reason.
What, you don’t like knowing why arguably the second most popular character in the series went nuts without reading obscure forum posts, buying Loot Crates, and reading a short comic story? All of which don’t actually provide a concrete answer?
I feel like this next book will shed some light on the current situation.
Let’s be honest here, Cortana is gonna die. I mean, she put the galaxy on LOCKDOWN. It’s ether Chief puts her down, or ONI rummages around in her mind and then puts her on the chopping block, or at the VERY least shove her in AI prison. There’s no happy end for her. Even if she accepts what she did was terrible, there’s no way she survives Infinite. No way.
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> > For me killing or saving her depends on why she went nuts in the first place, that still hasn’t been explored much beyond her complaining about how she feels AI are just used and thrown away. That’s not enough of a reason to do what she’s doing at the scale shes doing it. There HAS to be a bigger reason.
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> What, you don’t like knowing why arguably the second most popular character in the series went nuts without reading obscure forum posts, buying Loot Crates, and reading a short comic story? All of which don’t actually provide a concrete answer?
Can’t say that I do haha
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> Cortana wasn’t in need of a redemption arc, so why 343 still felt the need to bring her back as a villain remains pointless. There were far better paths to take, but I’d be infinitely more disappointed if 343 just went back to Chief and Cortana being partners. I simply can’t see Chief return to that dynamic after what Cortana did.
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> Course if all Cortana is are a bunch of stitched together and crazy fragments, who cares if they kill them again? It’s not really a Cortana so it doesn’t matter.
I mean, I am pretty sure its been said somewhere CE originally has Cortana become the bad guy. That being said, I was never fond of the idea as it was pretty much a boring store. As for redemptions, eh, I am torn, I would find it less interesting if it was a redemption arc, but I also think killing her would mean less given she already “died” once in H4.
I don’t think they are really going to go either route. I am on the side of the fence that thinks its more about a new cortana model that will ultimately kill or defeat the old model. This would disregard the emotional attachment to that model given she is technically still alive, while also removing the redemption issue. Is it still good? No. Is it the better route then what the other options are? I think so.
If only the Didact was the main vill in H5. Heres hoping he is in infinite. That or there are multiple big badies.
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> > Cortana wasn’t in need of a redemption arc, so why 343 still felt the need to bring her back as a villain remains pointless. There were far better paths to take, but I’d be infinitely more disappointed if 343 just went back to Chief and Cortana being partners. I simply can’t see Chief return to that dynamic after what Cortana did.
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> > Course if all Cortana is are a bunch of stitched together and crazy fragments, who cares if they kill them again? It’s not really a Cortana so it doesn’t matter.
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> I mean, I am pretty sure its been said somewhere CE originally has Cortana become the bad guy. That being said, I was never fond of the idea as it was pretty much a boring store. As for redemptions, eh, I am torn, I would find it less interesting if it was a redemption arc, but I also think killing her would mean less given she already “died” once in H4.
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> I don’t think they are really going to go either route. I am on the side of the fence that thinks its more about a new cortana model that will ultimately kill or defeat the old model. This would disregard the emotional attachment to that model given she is technically still alive, while also removing the redemption issue. Is it still good? No. Is it the better route then what the other options are? I think so.
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> If only the Didact was the main vill in H5. Heres hoping he is in infinite. That or there are multiple big badies.
We know Cortana going mad with power was an idea Bungie had for CE, but ultimately they scrapped that. Miranda Keyes was also going to strap a bomb to Chief in revenge for letting her dad die because one of the writers was going through a bad breakup.
Just saying some ideas deserve to be forgotten.
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> > > Cortana wasn’t in need of a redemption arc, so why 343 still felt the need to bring her back as a villain remains pointless. There were far better paths to take, but I’d be infinitely more disappointed if 343 just went back to Chief and Cortana being partners. I simply can’t see Chief return to that dynamic after what Cortana did.
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> > > Course if all Cortana is are a bunch of stitched together and crazy fragments, who cares if they kill them again? It’s not really a Cortana so it doesn’t matter.
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> > I mean, I am pretty sure its been said somewhere CE originally has Cortana become the bad guy. That being said, I was never fond of the idea as it was pretty much a boring store. As for redemptions, eh, I am torn, I would find it less interesting if it was a redemption arc, but I also think killing her would mean less given she already “died” once in H4.
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> > I don’t think they are really going to go either route. I am on the side of the fence that thinks its more about a new cortana model that will ultimately kill or defeat the old model. This would disregard the emotional attachment to that model given she is technically still alive, while also removing the redemption issue. Is it still good? No. Is it the better route then what the other options are? I think so.
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> > If only the Didact was the main vill in H5. Heres hoping he is in infinite. That or there are multiple big badies.
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> We know Cortana going mad with power was an idea Bungie had for CE, but ultimately they scrapped that. Miranda Keyes was also going to strap a bomb to Chief in revenge for letting her dad die because one of the writers was going through a bad breakup.
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> Just saying some ideas deserve to be forgotten.
never said they shouldn’t, but your statement the idea of it inferred its originally 343’s idea. It’s their idea to use it and its not a good one. But, the seed was placed already years ago so its not too surprising it popped back up is all I am saying.
I find I’m a bit mixed on the subject thinking on it some more. While I certainly don’t want a return to the status quo of Chief and Cortana, at the same time I find the idea of going on a quest to put her down like old yeller a bit uncomfortable. As in “look what you made me do” sense of unintentional subtext. See also: Game of Thrones finale.
At this point I would probably prefer a Mendicant Bias type of solution essentially throwing her into AI jail would leave a less icky taste in my mouth and avoid the cliche redemption route. I mostly just wish we weren’t in this situation since Cortana got a fitting sendoff in Halo 4 but what are you going to do…
On a similar note I do hope the whole Promethean/Created storyline doesn’t end with a simple Bad AI defeated and all Prometheans destroyed. AI uprising is not really the story I would have gone with, but at the same time I don’t want to see a repeat of the Janus Key storyline where it just ends with “JK, none of this actually mattered.”
I think Cortana needs to be killed off if 343 ever wants to expand on the character of Master Chief. Halo 4 had the right idea, then Guardians reversed it. Likely in Infinite, Chief will be faced with a lot of hard choices and moments to learn to he isn’t just a machine, going back to the ending of Halo 4. 343 please take the bulls by the horn, do not play this game safe. You had a great idea with the death of Cortana in your first game, now roll with it. It will give us more interesting story beats to follow. Chief dealing with his actions despite possibly doing what he had to do whether he liked it or not.
I’ll say it again. If all were up against us a bunch of junbled together crazy fragments, would it even be worth getting sad about? It ain’t Cortana even through 343 is doing all they can to make us feel like it is.
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> The “killing Cortana” ship sailed after the dumpster fire that has was Halo 5. I’d much rather now see a Cortana redemption arc, and based off of all the trailers I think that’s what we’re gonna get. But I think we could do some interesting things with redeeming Cortana. For example, we know and love the regular Cortana, the funny, slightly flirtatious and talkative AI, but it would be fun to see her for once be quiet and subdued, feeling horrible for what she did even if we find out it wasn’t her fault.
Real quick, what was the dumpster fire of Halo 5? I get not being able to play as Chief for most of the game, and my opinion - Jul deserved a MUCH better send off or boss fight after reading Glasslands/Thursday War, but what else bothered you? Serious question.