I don’t know how many threads I have looked at over the past couple of weeks with the whole Halo 4 is dead theme but there were many. There were also many that were not very kind to inexperienced players.
Knowledge is very important and is directly related to how much playing time you have. Judgement is actually using that knowledge gained during playing time… I have a fair amount of knowledge as it relates to this game but my judgement in using it isn’t always the best it could be.
It stands to reason then that players with more than a few days of playing time should at least be somewhat knowledgeable about the game as a whole. I am knowledgeable and therefore take part of the blame for not helping players I know would benefit from my help.
The blame is not on the shoulders of new and inexperienced players. It’s on us. The veterans. How many people could we have helped or taken under our wing and showed them the ropes? I wonder. Imagine what Halo 4 would be like with everyone involved in training at least one person and then that person training someone else. What a game we would have. The matches would be out of this world.
However, the landscape is anything like the fantasy I described above. It is filled with players that would just as soon cuss you out and belittle you rather than offer a suggestion to better your game play, players that constantly downgrade and ridicule other players styles, or malign them for using weapons and equipment against what they think are their proper uses. All of this from players who refuse to share their knowledge and continue the Halo heritage.
Don’t blame 343. They gave us all the tools needed to have a wonderful game even with all of the flaws. And to this day they are looking at ways to improve and tweak certain aspects of this game. They are supporting their game. I wish we could say the same.
So, I apologize to anyone I may have slighted or ignored. I will gladly accept any friend request from anyone asking for help. I may not be a Slayer Pro player but I can do something. Even if it’s just to play with them. Training has to start somewhere.
I don’t care what has happened up till this point. The game starts today. Training starts today. A new beginning for HALO starts today. Gear up Spartans. Godspeed.
> > Don’t blame 343. They gave us all the tools needed to have a wonderful game even with all of the flaws.
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> All the people NOT playing Halo 4 attests to the fact that Halo 4 is missing something.
I don’t care about all the other people. I care about those still playing and about responsibilities of veteran players who don’t want to do jack to help anyone and trash other players at every opportunity. They moan and complain about matchmaking sticking them with inexperienced players when they should be playing with their peers. Ring a bell.
> > > Don’t blame 343. They gave us all the tools needed to have a wonderful game even with all of the flaws.
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> > All the people NOT playing Halo 4 attests to the fact that Halo 4 is missing something.
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> I don’t care about all the other people. I care about those still playing and about responsibilities of veteran players who don’t want to do jack to help anyone and trash other players at every opportunity. They moan and complain about matchmaking sticking them with inexperienced players when they should be playing with their peers. Ring a bell.
The idea is that players of like skill should be put in games together, so you can gain experience and skill through playing, not by seeking out a guru.
Yes, people should be more pleasant and accommodating, but the game is also pairing pros with objectively terrible players. All those people not playing the game are indirectly impacting the experience of those that are.
So to say you shouldn’t blame the kitchen when no one likes the steak (and has stopped ordering it) rings hollow.
No, the inexperienced are not to blame;
The guild falls in both MS and 343i. Theres no way that an unexperienced team like 343i would had accomplished the job.
The only thing that lefts now is to find if they learned something in the process…
The drive and ability needed to be in the top 5% can not be taught to people that dont care to learn. Most play for leisure and are likely uninterested in the nuances and dynamics of top level play. That of course does not give the right to verbally abuse people. Those that engage in that activity are doing Halo a disservice.
> > > > Don’t blame 343. They gave us all the tools needed to have a wonderful game even with all of the flaws.
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> > > All the people NOT playing Halo 4 attests to the fact that Halo 4 is missing something.
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> > I don’t care about all the other people. I care about those still playing and about responsibilities of veteran players who don’t want to do jack to help anyone and trash other players at every opportunity. They moan and complain about matchmaking sticking them with inexperienced players when they should be playing with their peers. Ring a bell.
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> The idea is that players of like skill should be put in games together, so you can gain experience and skill through playing, not by seeking out a guru.
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> Yes, people should be more pleasant and accommodating, but the game is also pairing pros with objectively terrible players. All those people not playing the game are indirectly impacting the experience of those that are.
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> So to say you shouldn’t blame the kitchen when no one likes the steak (and has stopped ordering it) rings hollow.
Where do you get these weird analogies? The last time I checked someone has to prepare food in the kitchen to be cooked. The kitchen cooks nothing. And who made you the judge and jury about who is terrible and who is not? Players have to start somewhere. Not everyone is as gifted as some of you guys. Guess your too good to play with us wee little people.
Your a Halo 4 hater. I get it. It’s your niche. I’m just making a mental note here. That way if for some reason we end up on the same team I’ll make sure an quit so you don’t ruin the fun. You sure are giving it hell though. I’ll give you that.
One last thing. I mentioned nothing about a guru. The guru is you. The guru is every other veteran of the game. No one wants to take responsibility for the state of player training in Halo 4. Everybody wants to blame someone else. I expected more from the Stewards of Halo. Should’ve known better. All talk but no leadership. Nice. Real nice.
> Where do you get these weird analogies? The last time I checked someone has to prepare food in the kitchen to be cooked. The kitchen cooks nothing. And who made you the judge and jury about who is terrible and who is not? Players have to start somewhere. Not everyone is as gifted as some of you guys. Guess your too good to play with us wee little people.
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> Your a Halo 4 hater. I get it. It’s your niche. I’m just making a mental note here. That way if for some reason we end up on the same team I’ll make sure an quit so you don’t ruin the fun. You sure are giving it hell though. I’ll give you that.
You said the studio isn’t to blame… and I drew a comparable analogy (production process yields consumer product). By “the kitchen” I was referring to the process and people involved in cooking the meal.
Judge and jury? I never pretended to have moral authority, which is what you seem to be implying. Fact of the matter is that some people are better than others. It has nothing to do with me being a judgmental -Yoink- to say that when someone gets 2 kills and 20 deaths in a team slayer game, they were out of their depth.
And yes. I am too good to play with beginner level players. It detracts from my experience and it certainly detracts from theirs. Getting consistently steam rolled by better players can’t be much fun. I know its not much fun for me when imbalanced teams lead to me getting pinned wherever I spawned in Legendary slayer.
I’m not a Halo 4 hater. I just think they made a poor decision in direction of the franchise, which it seems to me at least many thousands of people agree with based on population. I would like to see them turn things around in Halo 5, but that hasn’t kept me from playing well over a thousand games of Halo 4 so far.
You certainly wouldn’t have to quit out if we are on the same team. I am always polite to my teammates, and I simply turn my microphone off if I find frustration tempting me to say something I would regret. I just don’t enjoy when I go +15 and still lose by 20. I would never take that out on people playing to the best of their ability, as its matchmaking failing to provide balanced games (the whole point of it) that is to blame, not some moral shortcoming by other people. I mean gosh, there have been times where I didn’t belong in a game because I wasn’t skilled enough. I just haven’t seen much of it since arena in Halo Reach.
I hear what you’re saying, but I also say that beginners players need to want to put the time in to getting better at the game. I have been playing MM Halo since Reach. I don’t get to play as much as I’d like, but I still try to learn and improve. I am not looking for others to walk me through things though. I can’t commit to that.
I do try and encourage other players, through messages after a game, and don’t really receive much response. I think most people don’t want to take advice from some random player who they just met online.
You’ve been posting around for a while on very similar subjects. My advice. Don’t take all of this so seriously. I did that for a while, and it ended up not enjoying myself as much.
> > Where do you get these weird analogies? The last time I checked someone has to prepare food in the kitchen to be cooked. The kitchen cooks nothing. And who made you the judge and jury about who is terrible and who is not? Players have to start somewhere. Not everyone is as gifted as some of you guys. Guess your too good to play with us wee little people.
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> > Your a Halo 4 hater. I get it. It’s your niche. I’m just making a mental note here. That way if for some reason we end up on the same team I’ll make sure an quit so you don’t ruin the fun. You sure are giving it hell though. I’ll give you that.
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> You said the studio isn’t to blame… and I drew a comparable analogy (production process yields consumer product). By “the kitchen” I was referring to the process and people involved in cooking the meal.
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> Judge and jury? I never pretended to have moral authority, which is what you seem to be implying. Fact of the matter is that some people are better than others. It has nothing to do with me being a judgmental Yoink! to say that when someone gets 2 kills and 20 deaths in a team slayer game, they were out of their depth.
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> And yes. I am too good to play with beginner level players. It detracts from my experience and it certainly detracts from theirs. Getting consistently steam rolled by better players can’t be much fun. I know its not much fun for me when imbalanced teams lead to me getting pinned wherever I spawned in Legendary slayer.
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> I’m not a Halo 4 hater. I just think they made a poor decision in direction of the franchise, which it seems to me at least many thousands of people agree with based on population. I would like to see them turn things around in Halo 5, but that hasn’t kept me from playing well over a thousand games of Halo 4 so far.
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> You certainly wouldn’t have to quit out if we are on the same team. I am always polite to my teammates, and I simply turn my microphone off if I find frustration tempting me to say something I would regret. I just don’t enjoy when I go +15 and still lose by 20. I would never take that out on people playing to the best of their ability, as its matchmaking failing to provide balanced games (the whole point of it) that is to blame, not some moral shortcoming by other people. I mean gosh, there have been times where I didn’t belong in a game because I wasn’t skilled enough. I just haven’t seen much of it since arena in Halo Reach.
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> I will just quit out. If you’re too good to play with those players then you would be too good to play with me regardless if it was a matchmaking error or not. I’m certainly no Pro by any means and I learned by getting steamrolled.
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> Did you make it a learning experience for them? Do you feel you have no responsibility to the community to train some of these players? Most would be in awe of your skill and gladly accept any guidance you could lend to their betterment. I’m not making any accusations but the fact is there is no Pro leadership for the Halo community as a whole regarding new player training.
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> That in itself speaks volumes to me as a player trying to get where you are at. I guess I’ll just have to get there my way without any assistance from those that I call the Core of Halo. It is indeed a sad day. Good night.
> The blame is not on the shoulders of new and inexperienced players. It’s on us. The veterans. How many people could we have helped or taken under our wing and showed them the ropes? I wonder.
Quite a romantic and fantastical post. Those seeking enlightenment generally pursue avenues to take them there. The evangelical nature of what you are talking about is an insulting aspect of human nature that history is littered with. Not interested.
Frankly the strong rise and the weak can stay there until they work out what they want.
> I will just quit out. If you’re too good to play with those players then you would be too good to play with me regardless if it was a matchmaking error or not. I’m certainly no Pro by any means and I learned by getting steamrolled.
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> Did you make it a learning experience for them? Do you feel you have no responsibility to the community to train some of these players? Most would be in awe of your skill and gladly accept any guidance you could lend to their betterment. I’m not making any accusations but the fact is there is no Pro leadership for the Halo community as a whole regarding new player training.
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> That in itself speaks volumes to me as a player trying to get where you are at. I guess I’ll just have to get there my way without any assistance from those that I call the Core of Halo. It is indeed a sad day. Good night.
If you’re wanting to discuss anything about the game, I’m more than happy to have the conversation and help in any way I can (certainly there are better people than me if you’re really wanting to be uber pro).
Matchmaking just isn’t the place for it to happen. The entire point of matchmaking is to find you a good “match.” Your match (whether in video games or dating) is someone that is compatible with you. Whether that means interests, experience, or, in this case, skill if there isn’t a good match, its hardly a good match maker.
Fact of the matter is, there are plenty of blogs, community threads, and videos demonstrating how top tier players go about playing the game if you care to look. And again, I’m very happy to discuss if you have specific topics you want to. I just am not particularly interested in doing it while losing 15-48 (not an attack on you, just illustrating my point).
I didn’t know when I became a decade+ Halo player it was my duty and responsibility to help out new players. I seem to be missing this contract you speak of.
Instead they should learn the hard way as we all did. I remember back in Halo 3 even then people would complain about the second accounters and how it made things worse. Instead I learned from that to beat those players and in the end it payed off and I became much better.
If new players are asking for help there is plenty of it on the web like youtube and simply playing the game against more skilled opponents.
Not saying I would not help as I do quite often on my youtube channel when players ask for advice/tips but blaming the skilled/veteran base for what halo has become is just plain silly …
The community isn’t to blame for a game not being up to par. Nor is a developer to blame for its players’ lack of respect for each other. These are two separate issues: good/bad game and good/bad players. I don’t see where the confusion came from.
It is not the developer’s duty to create respectful, wholesome players. A player acts the same way towards his fellow players that he acts to people in real life–except worse, due to cowardice and anonymity. I don’t know about other cultures, but in the USA, disrespect and indulgence are not only normal, but encouraged. It is the parents’ fault, not the game’s, that kids don’t know how to respect others and behave.
It’s not the community’s fault for not “taking other players under our wings” or “showing them the ropes.” People don’t act the way they do because of a lack of knowledge, but rather a lack of disciple, and discipline is not something a random online player can teach. The utopia you described is unrealistic. It would unfortunately never exist in real life.
The developer’s duty is to create a game that appeals to a majority of players so that it can make money off of its sales. A game will be considered a success or failure based on its sales and, in some cases, the number of online players it retained.
With all of that said, I too wish that players were more respectful. Halo is a game that is much more fun and competitive with teamwork and communication, but unfortunately, most players are only out for themselves, and the few players who have mics are almost always very rude. Only a few times have I played on a team where all of the players communicated with each other, were serious about winning but not so serious that simple mistakes caused bitterness, and were more concerned about team performance than individual performance. I wish there were more players around like that.
> but not so serious that simple mistakes caused bitterness, and were more concerned about team performance than individual performance. I wish there were more players around like that.
Partied up with a team once and went into a friendly fire playlist (at the time I mostly played infinity slayer since legendary wasn’t out yet). Accidentally killed a teammate with the sticky detonator when I set it off so I could reload. Guy betrayed me three times and then left the party when the other guys accepted it was an accident.
People really do need to lighten up. There were times where I betrayed a teammate with a plasma grenade in Reach… I would toss the grenade accurately from quite a distance before my teammate’s marker was even in my field of view and via the magic of sprint he would cross through two or three rooms to charge in just as my grenade was detonating. Forrest Gump got it right… it happens.
Halo 4 CATERS to noobs! 343 even said it, “Our goal is make Halo more ACCESSIBLE to new (cough cough nooby) players”
And boy, did they do just that. They turned Halo into something it ISN’T.
> Halo 4 CATERS to noobs! 343 even said it, “Our goal is make Halo more ACCESSIBLE to new (cough cough nooby) players”
Well despite their efforts Halo 4 matchmaking still has a fairly low population of casual or ‘noob’ players compared to a lot of other games. I can think of a lot of other games that cater to casuals better then Halo 4 does.
> I didn’t know when I became a decade+ Halo player it was my duty and responsibility to help out new players. I seem to be missing this contract you speak of.
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> Instead they should learn the hard way as we all did. I remember back in Halo 3 even then people would complain about the second accounters and how it made things worse. Instead I learned from that to beat those players and in the end it payed off and I became much better.
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> If new players are asking for help there is plenty of it on the web like youtube and simply playing the game against more skilled opponents.
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> Not saying I would not help as I do quite often on my youtube channel when players ask for advice/tips but blaming the skilled/veteran base for what halo has become is just plain silly …
So the veteran players allowed you to play with them even though you got thrashed for a while? Eventually, you became good enough to start beating them. This is exactly the point I’m making. You have veteran players in this thread that refuse to play with noobs or beginner players.
To hell with matchmaking. I can’t get any better by playing people that aren’t any better than I am. And having players in this thread make statements that they refuse to play with lesser experienced or beginner players is down right absurd and is contrary to your hard knocks story from your Halo 3 days.
Op, why do you care so much if veteran players are willing to play with noobs or not? Also you don’t seem to be aware of the plethora of clans out there, I’m pretty sure I saw a thread about that today, that are looking for members. Those would be the best place to find some helpful players. As well as the fact that this community has game night, and I’m sure you’ll find very good, kind, and helpful players there.
Do you remember your misconceptions with Slayer Pro? Well I think the same is occurring here. There are those out there willing to help just gotta keep looking.