After reading this forum for a while, I’ve noticed that many people tell you to “Have faith” in 343 or in Halo 4, or “they have faith” in the game/devs, and I think it’s the worst possible argument ever.
Let me explain: faith is required when you have absolutely no evidence to support you claim/belief, and this isnt what an educated, thinking person should do.
Instead we should take a look at the evidence (everything we know about Halo 4), draw a conclusion based on our experiences with other games, then compare eachothers conclusions in threads, explain our arguments supported with actual facts, not going around saying " HAlo 4 is gon b cool, hav faiht, but u cant say it iz -Yoink- coz u havent plaeyd it yet so its gon b obvously k! u can haz only 1 opionion"
Same goes for the ‘It’s not halo 2 so it’s going to be terrible’ school of thought. However, it’s difficult to find the logical people you speak of on the internet.
> Same goes for the ‘It’s not halo 2 so it’s going to be terrible’ school of thought. However, it’s difficult to find the logical people you speak of on the internet.
> Same goes for the ‘It’s not halo 2 so it’s going to be terrible’ school of thought. However, it’s difficult to find the logical people you speak of on the internet.
easier to find them on the internet and IRL.
the have faith argument is really annoying, its as if we aren’t allowed to be afraid and skeptical of what we’re going to be spending our money on…
We do not have the game itself, and we don’t have the coding details that specify how certain things work. All we’ve currently got to go on are the impressions of people who have played the certain builds of Halo 4 that have featured at conventions, which from the sound of it aren’t the finished product, and the scant information releases from 343.
Therefore no school of thought on the game can claim to have formed their take on the game based on fact - because there’s not enough there. Therefore it is only logical to take a wait and see approach, anything else is based on assumptions.
From what I understand all the 343 employees love the Halo franchise. I have faith in 343 because everything they have showed me so far looks pretty damn good.
> Let me explain: faith is required when you have absolutely no evidence to support you claim/belief, and this isnt what an educated, thinking person should do.
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> Instead we should take a look at the evidence (everything we know about Halo 4), draw a conclusion based on our experiences with other games, then compare eachothers conclusions in threads, explain our arguments supported with actual facts, not going around saying " HAlo 4 is gon b cool, hav faiht, but u cant say it iz Yoink! coz u havent plaeyd it yet so its gon b obvously k! u can haz only 1 opionion"
Except that we shouldn’t draw conclusions, because we don’t have sufficient evidence for anything resembling an accurate conclusion. This is the core of the problem. People are drawing conclusions. It’s really pretty dumb. People shouldn’t be drawing conclusions.
What we should do is accept that none of us has a full enough picture with which to judge the game until it’s in our hands. So when you’re buying it on opening day, you are taking a risk. Some people are confident in the franchise, and in this new company’s passion for the franchise to shine through. Obviously, some aren’t. It bugs me when people say to have faith as well, but that’s not to say that they’re being mindless (even if they think they are). In this case, they’re trusting in their abilities to judge people and history. It’s a different metric. About as good and bad as the metric of looking at twenty ten-minute snippets of gameplay, citing every vague comment on NeoGaf or any article that mentions something not being included from a previous game, and ignoring important information. Really, it’s not that different.
> Same goes for the ‘It’s not halo 2 so it’s going to be terrible’ school of thought. However, it’s difficult to find the logical people you speak of on the internet.
There are logical people on the internet? I never would have guessed.
The “have faith” argument is annoying to me because we have no evidence to suggest that 343 are capable of making a compelling, successful video game. Yeah, individually they’ve all worked on games/films and in media in general, but never as a team as we see them now.
If they had decades of working together making video games then the “have faith” argument would make more sense.
Example; I have complete faith in Bungie’s next project, whatever it is.
> From what I understand all the 343 employees love the Halo franchise. I have faith in 343 because everything they have showed me so far looks pretty damn good.
I say it because of that pic. More of a “don’t lose hope” saying for me, than the technical definition you gave.
But I do agree, blindly accepting things or blindly having faith isn’t the way to go, and neither is blind hating and bashing.
You can like, you can love, you can hate (constructively), but save final conclusions for when there is something final.
> Let me explain: faith is required when you have absolutely no evidence to support you claim/belief, and this isnt what an educated, thinking person should do.
Many of the people who refer to having “faith” in 343i clearly aren’t using the word in that sense, though. What they call “faith” would be better referred to as “trust”, and trust, unlike your definition of faith, is often based on (subjective analyses of) evidence.
I do agree, though, that faith, as you define it, is not a satisfactory reason for supporting 343i. That is, faith in 343i is satisfactory for those who have faith in 343i, but it won’t convince anyone else.
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> I say it because of that pic. More of a “don’t lose hope” saying for me, than the technical definition you gave.
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> But I do agree, blindly accepting things or blindly having faith isn’t the way to go, and neither is blind hating and bashing.
> You can like, you can love, you can hate (constructively), but save final conclusions for when there is something final.
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> We do not have the game itself, and we don’t have the coding details that specify how certain things work. All we’ve currently got to go on are the impressions of people who have played the certain builds of Halo 4 that have featured at conventions, which from the sound of it aren’t the finished product, and the scant information releases from 343.
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> Therefore no school of thought on the game can claim to have formed their take on the game based on fact - because there’s not enough there. Therefore it is only logical to take a wait and see approach, anything else is based on assumptions.
> > Let me explain: faith is required when you have absolutely no evidence to support you claim/belief, and this isnt what an educated, thinking person should do.
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> Many of the people who refer to having “faith” in 343i clearly aren’t using the word in that sense, though. What they call “faith” would be better referred to as “trust”, and trust, unlike your definition of faith, is often based on (subjective analyses of) evidence.
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> I do agree, though, that faith, as you define it, is not a satisfactory reason for supporting 343i. That is, faith in 343i is satisfactory for those who have faith in 343i, but it won’t convince anyone else.
When I think of having faith I generally think of hope. Having trust and hope, not losing hope.
> After reading this forum for a while, I’ve noticed that many people tell you to “Have faith” in 343 or in Halo 4, or “they have faith” in the game/devs, and I think it’s the worst possible argument ever.
They say to have faith in 343, Halo 4, or other things to signify that 343 has a development team full of experience and has built successful games before.
> Let me explain: faith is required when you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim/belief, and this isnt what an educated, thinking person should do.
You need to reexamine your claim to what faith is. Your thinking of this from a religious standpoint, but faith is not solo to such a category. Faith in leadership, faith in developer skills, faith in a plan. These are just a few examples of faith outside religious context. I do concur you should be willing to think about the positives and negatives of what something is and can contribute to, but to automatically claim what you know as accurate and blast others including the developer about it is what should be discouraged.
> Instead we should take a look at the evidence (everything we know about Halo 4), draw a conclusion based on our experiences with other games, then compare each others conclusions in threads, explain our arguments supported with actual facts, not going around saying “Halo 4 is gon b cool, hav faiht, but u cant say it iz Yoink! coz u havent plaeyd it yet so its gon b obvously k! u can haz only 1 opionion”
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> Just my thoughts.
Thanks for your opinion and sharing your false claims to how people are on these forums. I’ll go visit a topic worth my time now. Thanks again.
