The Hardcore Community Will Not Fall.

Games Other Halo
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In an interview about the game, Frank actually said, and I quote, “A Pro Halo player shouldn’t have an advantage over someone who just bought the game and started playing”.

That is what this game is about. that little quote, those 18 little words, describe this game perfectly. Competitive nature has no place, and the casuals rule the land. Us hardcore gamers were doomed from the start to reside in a world plagued by massive maps and unnecessary gimmicks. to play nothing but social playlists intended to have a completely random and “fair” experience to both the pros and scrubs.

It was built with that idea in mind. With the thought that making it so that a casual player will be just as competitive in a game as a pro, that the game will be fun for all players. But this is not the case. By ignoring the hardcore and competitive players, 343i has done something that they could not afford to do.

Since the beginning, the casuals have been around, but they have never been hooked. They have never picked up Halo and sworn off other FPS titles because of their love for Halo. They have never committed entire monthes to this game do to its alluring nature. The casual gamer has never chosen one game over another. And the casual gamer never will.

You see, what they didn’t realize, and are now having to face, is the fact the Hardcore gamers have made this game into everything it has become. Not the casuals that bounce back and forth between COD and Halo. Not the families that bought little johnny his first 360 with halo attached. No, they have done little compared to us.

We, the competitive community, have built this franchise into the mammoth it is. The ones that played for 20 hours straight on a 50 run. The ones that fell asleep with the controller still within our clutches and the lobby still glimmering on the screen. All of us that have cursed the Call of Duty franchise to hell and back, and committed our lives to the progression and evolution of our spartan counterparts. We, the hardcore, that never gave up after being DDoSed, booted, hacked and cheated. Never gave up, even after losing countless games to teammates and glitches. That won countless games with clutch headshots and flag caps.

There was no obstacle large enough to deter us from our goals. No cheaters, hackers, or griefers that could demoralize us away from our love of the game. No, our faith stayed true. We, the competitive, have never faltered in our passion and allure of Halo. Not until now has our belief that this game will live on be pressed. And that, my friends, is not something to be taken lightly.

the gods of the game are leaving to more fruitful ventures. The likes of Neighbor, Snipedown, Ogre 2 will likely not be seen on the battlefield much longer. All because of the evolution, neigh, devolution of our franchise. Do you not see the consequences of your actions? Do you not see what you have made of our once glorious Home?

We are the heart of this game. We are the soul of this franchise. The hardcore gamers will make or break the future of Halo, and 343i knows that.

And if they didn’t, they will soon.

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As alot of people said stop encouraging noobs…

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You make a good point. It upsets my stomach. What happened to the player being more familiar and experienced in halo having the advantage over a new comer. We’ve all had to work are way up. In other words, Frankie is saying they had to change the game to make it easier for bad people. Doing that makes it less halo then :confused:

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> You make a good point. It upsets my stomach. What happened to the player being more familiar and experienced in halo having the advantage over a new comer. We’ve all had to work are way up. In other words, Frankie is saying they had to change the game to make it easier for bad people. Doing that makes it less halo then :confused:

They have stripped this game of it’s roots, and now the tree withers from thirst.

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Wipes Tear
That was beautiful.

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I don’t know what makes me laugh harder, the exaggerated sense of self-worth, the exaggerated sense of self-importance, the sheer drama with which your point is made, or the overall delusion of the statement at large.

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> I don’t know what makes me laugh harder, the exaggerated sense of self-worth, the exaggerated sense of self-importance, the sheer drama with which your point is made, or the overall delusion of the statement at large.

Do you have a worth while rebuttle? Do you have something of importance to say against my claim? Or are you just another waste of text, plaguing these forums with your absence of thought and worth.

I could care less what you think. And so could those that stand with me.

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I would like a link because the context of him saying “a pro player shouldn’t have an advantage over someone who just brought the game” seem like he was taking about bonuses people get from play the previous titles.

A good player will be better than a crappy player period. Hold on…isn’t that what the older Halo games are about? starting off with the same weapon so a new guy isn’t at a disadvantage. Please give a link cause now I think you are taking what he said out of context.

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> > I don’t know what makes me laugh harder, the exaggerated sense of self-worth, the exaggerated sense of self-importance, the sheer drama with which your point is made, or the overall delusion of the statement at large.
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> Do you have a worth while rebuttle? Do you have something of importance to say against my claim? Or are you just another waste of text, plaguing these forums with your absence of thought and worth.
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> I could care less what you think. And so could those that stand with me.

Loloolloollololol! This isn’t Highlander, dude with people standing with him.

Exaggerated sense of self-worth = you claim that your imagined demographic is the all required life-blood of this series. Not true.

Exaggerated sense of self-importance = you feel your imagined demographic’s needs should be at the forefront of developer considerations. Not true.

Sheer drama of your point = nobody takes an emotional, dramatic response seriously. If you want to make a point to anyone with the capacity to act on your expectations, don’t be so dramatic.

The overall delusion of your statement = you seem to think all these little perceptions are true. They’re not. Its comedic that you think so. Thus, I laughed.

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> …The casual gamer has never chosen one game over another. And the casual gamer never will.

QFT. I’ve found that some (please note the emphasis that this is not an all-encompassing statement) casual gamers find enjoyment in playing as many games as possible while not investing in a single franchise. And now I’ve basically re-phrased the quote - LOL.

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> > > I don’t know what makes me laugh harder, the exaggerated sense of self-worth, the exaggerated sense of self-importance, the sheer drama with which your point is made, or the overall delusion of the statement at large.
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> > Do you have a worth while rebuttle? Do you have something of importance to say against my claim? Or are you just another waste of text, plaguing these forums with your absence of thought and worth.
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> > I could care less what you think. And so could those that stand with me.
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> Loloolloollololol! This isn’t Highlander, dude with people standing with him.
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> Exaggerated sense of self-worth = you claim that your imagined demographic is the all required life-blood of this series. Not true.
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> Exaggerated sense of self-importance = you feel your imagined demographic’s needs should be at the forefront of developer considerations. Not true.
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> Sheer drama of your point = nobody takes an emotional, dramatic response seriously. If you want to make a point to anyone with the capacity to act on your expectations, don’t be so dramatic.
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> The overall delusion of your statement = you seem to think all these little perceptions are true. They’re not. Its comedic that you think so. Thus, I laughed.

A little more dramatized than I had liked, but you should ignore that and focus on the real content of his words. First line hit me hard. Care to give your thoughts about dumbing down the game and Frankie’s post?

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It is un deniable that “casualization” is ruining games, Look at Gears of War, World of Warcraft, Halo Reach and Halo 4, Call of Duty…

Game developers are no longer creating their games simply to just be a good quality game, now it’s more about “making the game ridiculously easy because little Jonny doesn’t want to improve at the game and wants everything to be spoon fed” Ordnance drops are an example of this.

I was 10 years old when Halo 2 came out, you think I wanted the game to be piss easy? No, I loved the nature of Halo 2 because I grew up with Unreal Tournament 1999, Halo was challenging but well worth the challenge, I will never forget my time on Halo 2 as the 10-13 year old that kicked peoples -Yoinks!-.

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> [A little more dramatized than I had liked, but you should ignore that and focus on the real content of his words. First line hit me hard. Care to give your thoughts about dumbing down the game and Frankie’s post?

Yet you ignore the rest of the points I had. Why is the OP under the grand delusion that the demographic he has created and aligned with (“the competitve community”) is the lifeblood of this, and any major, franchise? Is he under the impression that the people are that incompetent? 343 is in the entertainment industry. They chose to focus on making an accessible game that appeals to the majority of an industry that is growing far beyond the population of people that were playing Xbox when Halo was cutting its teeth.

So many like to think that H4 is only [sic] #4 on the most recent XBL activity charts because it has strayed from the linear multiplayer experience of Halo: CE, and that if 343 had made an essential Halo: CE v2, it would be #1 without question. I’d argue the contrary: a Halo: CE v2 would appeal to a smaller group of the expanding XBL pie and be even lower.

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Dis gon b gud.

eats popcorn

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The hardcore community

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> > [A little more dramatized than I had liked, but you should ignore that and focus on the real content of his words. First line hit me hard. Care to give your thoughts about dumbing down the game and Frankie’s post?
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> Yet you ignore the rest of the points I had. Why is the OP under the grand delusion that the demographic he has created and aligned with (“the competitve community”) is the lifeblood of this, and any major, franchise? Is he under the impression that the people are that incompetent? 343 is in the entertainment industry. They chose to focus on making an accessible game that appeals to the majority of an industry that is growing far beyond the population of people that were playing Xbox when Halo was cutting its teeth.
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> So many like to think that H4 is only [sic] #4 on the most recent XBL activity charts because it has strayed from the linear multiplayer experience of Halo: CE, and that if 343 had made an essential Halo: CE v2, it would be #1 without question. I’d argue the contrary: a Halo: CE v2 would appeal to a smaller group of the expanding XBL pie and be even lower.

I read them, but had no comment on them. I also don’t want to flip this conversation around and talk about your points about exaggeration and drama. I just wanted to focus strictly on his points instead of how he presented them. So again, the lack of competitive support in this game is appalling. Not a single competitive playlist. Terrible customs options. Like I said, they are dumbing down the game. Do you think not? What do you think of what Frankie said?

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> In an interview about the game, Frank actually said, and I quote, “A Pro Halo player shouldn’t have an advantage over someone who just bought the game and started playing”.

source please?

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If COD appeals to the casuals so much and that’s such an evil…than why do they always have over 150k people playing?

Trust me I hate COD and I like my competitive play. But hardcore gaming isn’t the only thing I wanna do. Which is why I’ll do something like grifball. Or infection/flood.

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> The hardcore community

Lol I got a great laugh from this video. I was dieing xD.

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It didn’t work for you but being 3rd or 4th place on the xbox live charts is NOT getting “destroyed,” stop being so dramatic.

You people don’t like the game and that’s perfectly fine, but to walk around beating on your chests like your word is law because you label yourself “competitive” is ridiculous.

Halo 2 and 3 were the prime online shooters because of multiple reasons: they were fun, and they had no real competition in their days, stop ignoring this simple fact. Modern Warfare came along a couple of months after Halo 3 and was popular, but was still the “new” thing on the block, so there was a bit of a power struggle. MW2 came out, and Halo 3 eventually LOST and was moved to second place. Nowadays Halo has to compete with much more accessible games like COD, Battlefield, and even Borderlands on the XBL charts, and don’t get me started on the minecraft craze.

Halo 4 is in a healthy state and the population is stable. Just because the same 5 people on these forums express THE SAME hate and make THE SAME farewell threads, it doesn’t mean anything.

And no matter how you look at Frankie’s statement or how you look at the new features like Ordinance drops and weapon indicators, winning a game still takes MOSTLY skill + strategy.