I just have a creeping feeling The Harbinger will recognize Chief as the Didact and that’s why she’s an enemy just like Guilty Spark did in Halo 1.
Creeping feeling The Harbinger is a Human who was composed before the Halos fired originally.
But I am hoping Mindicant Bias plays a roll in this game and we see more of the books tied in.
This setting in Infinite has got me excited and would love to hear possible ideas everyone may have.
Is the Harbinger not the last of the San Shyun (sp?) that shows up in the newest Halo novel?
It’s a little hard to judge based a few lines. But I don’t get the same crazy vibes that Guilty Spark did. Plus being able to arrange an alliance with the Banished suggests she’s got enough presence of mind to manage that.
The look and vibe seems to be another ancient alien race. The glowing orange lights do scream Promethean. But freezing frames you do get a decent look at the face which has pupiless eyes and a mouth. Very classic alien looking species design.
She’s clearly talking about the Mantle when she talks about the Forerunners lies. Which makes me think some link to the precursors since the main lie was that they should have ever held the Mantle. So, if the Forerunners never had the Mantle then they have no right to give it to humanity. Which is probably where the resentment of humanity comes from. They’re the Forerunners pet species and chosen successors. I think the books describe the Precursors as wanting humanity to take the Mantle though. Although that never sat right with me since they’re the Flood and not very nice.
Perhaps the twist is that the Precursors intend to test humanity and only if it can overcome them can it ever be worthy of the Mantle. With the argument being that the Forerunners never really defeated the Precursors because they just became the Flood and inevitably destroyed them.
343 confirmed she’s not a Prelate.
The test to humanity concept is definitely an interesting idea because the Precursors most definitely need to make an appearance… now that the Didact has I don’t see why not. Interesting day we’ll have on release day. Still no word on The Flood, forgot to mention.
I need to read the Forerunner Saga books at some point. I might be wrong but I think that was the deal with the Precursors. Testing humanity on the anvil. Like I don’t feel the Precursors are meant to be the good guys or these benevolent creator beings. The idea of survival of the fittest and putting humanity through the Anvil of surviving the Flood is still pretty grim.
Oh the Precursors are the Flood. I mean, I don’t know how much the Coalition and 343 take notes and ideas from eachother. But Gears 5 made a big deal of the Locust origins and that lore was always there but tucked away in some offhand lore rather than being told in game. It would not surprise me if they did the Precursors/Flood in a similar way. In game they have not really explained the Floods origins.
Plus, the whole philosophy of survival of the fittest is completely the opposite of what Cortana and the Guardians were all about. Removing conflict and the strong protecting (however obnoxiously) the weak would be repulsive to the Harbinger if that’s it’s deal.
I just can’t wait for the game. It’s been too long since a Halo game was out.
If mendicant bias is in the game in some shape or form he could explain more about the flood and that would be cool way to introduce the flood in infinite
Is he buried on Zeta Halo or the Ark?
a part of him is on the ark
Yeah, that’s a little convenient to set your “ten years of Halo” game on Zeta Halo with everything buried there. He could definitely provide a lot of information on the Precursors, Flood and the Logic Plague.
Plus he’s powerful enough that he could easily be a plot device or even enemy at some point. Banished want Great Machine to conquer galaxy for them; hilarity ensues.
Both, a one piece was buried on the Ark (I say the banished found it) and the other on Zeta Halo (why I say the banished are so concerned with Zeta Halo) it just makes sense Mindicant Bias would somehow be involved.
I personally have a feeling he’s going to involved somehow. He’s very very much involved with making up for all the trouble he made in the books, it was made known in the terminals on H3. Mindicant tries to communicate with Chief.
I read the Forerunner Saga as it came out, beginning over ten years ago. It has been a while, but to clarify, Precursors were (put simply) the race that existed and became technologically advanced before the Forerunners and humanity rose to their full strength. While Forerunners eventually began to touch upon the creation of life (the Huragok, for example) the Precursors were masters of biology. The Forerunners believed in the Mantle of Responsibility, their duty to protect all life in the galaxy: The Precursors held the Mantle first, then the Forerunners took over, and some Forerunners planned to pass it on to the Reclaimers (the human race). In actuality, the Precursors never passed anything down to the Forerunners. The Forerunners rose up and ‘destroyed’ the Precursors, who they believed to be their creators, or at least, they reduced the Precursors down to near nothing. In retaliation, what was left of the Precursors turned themselves into the Flood. The Flood were released, sort of as a test to determine whether the Forerunners deserved the Mantle, but also as a form of revenge. There was a period when humans were mistakenly believed to be immune to the Flood for reasons explained in the books. Forerunners captured them and performed experiments on Zeta Halo to test the legitimacy of this and hopefully find their own immunity, but I digress. Point is, the Mantle of Responsibility is what the Cortana fragment assumed in Halo 5, and it was the Didact’s more authoritative understanding of the Mantle that she went with, one that put the Didact at odds with other Forerunners.
Why I’m wondering if Mindicant Bias will play a roll or not. Or The Flood for that matter. The Lore is so deep and quite frankly I’m ready for the Iso Didact to be touched on eventually and I feel like we’re heading in that direction. Very excited to see what Infinite holds and the book coming out after.
I highly doubt the Harbinger will make any connection to the Didact with Chief. The reason I assume she will be an enemy to humanity is because of our status as Reclaimers. Why that bothers her I don’t know. Nor is she going to be a composed human. Humans were only composed to preserve their memories (originally) or to be turned into Promethean Knights (under the Didact). I don’t see them converting them into an organic being with powers that could be easily used against them.
She’s got to have some ties to further back into the Halo universe, that’s the only reason I assume. Plus it’s Zeta Halo, she wouldn’t just be there for no reason. Quite frankly none of us know yet but she obviously doesn’t like Humans or Forerunners according to the trailer so either she’s a Precursor… or like one of the previous comments suggested The Harbinger is the last San Shyuum… can’t confirm that but I’m here for all ideas. I thought Prometheans were humans converted into beings like that. We’ve seen Prometheans try and keep Chief away from Cortana. Either way, I just want to see Mindicant Bias play a roll. Somehow.
I believe 343i confirmed she isn’t San’Shyuum - actually, I recall she’s not a Prelate, which doesn’t confirm she isn’t San’Shyuum, but it certainly implies it. She could be a Precursor, or she could belong to a species that thrived in a time between the Precursor’s fall and the first rise of humanity, alongside the Forerunners. I’m inclined to believe it’s the latter, some new piece of lore that will build on what we already have, a bit like how the Halo 3 terminals evolved into the Forerunner Saga.
Nope.
Not at all and definitely not a prelate.has a resemblance ro the warden if anything.
I’m feeling that it is Intrepid Eye in some sort battle Harness.
she’s definitely ancient, Possibly a Precursor. I know the Primordial (a Gravemind) was supposedly the last Precursor. But we can’t say that all Precursors looked like the Primordial.
In fact; I think it’s stated somewhere in the Forerunner trilogy that the Primordial is made up of multiple bodies. Possibly multiple precursor bodies. So the Harbinger could be a Precursor.
As for Mendicant Bias. He is buried on the Ark, but what remains of his Core housing is still on Zeta Halo. I’d be surprised if we go through this game and he’s not at the very least mentioned.
I do not see 343 Industries bringing in the Precursors at this time. The only Precursors we have left at this time are the two dormant “seeds” found by the Librarian and left to the care of Spark and the composed remnants of her old crew on Bastion (Halo: Point of Light) and transported to a world outside the Milky Way.
If Infinite is meant to be a jumping in point for fans of all backgrounds, you aren’t going to see a deep lore concept like the Precursors. Whatever the Harbinger is will remain a mystery until we play. But she isn’t a San ‘Shyuum nor is it apparent she is a Precursor.
As far as any role Mendicant Bias can play, I don’t think we’ll be seeing them in any meaningful capacity. By their own admission in the H3 terminals, they were at the end of their life. All that remains of them on Zeta would likely be the cavern of data crystals that housed them back in the day, but Bias themselves is more than likely long gone.