The Halo I loved is dead

Full disclosure: I’m a diehard Bungie fan and have been since before Halo, that said I’m also a diehard Halo fan who loves this franchise. This isn’t the rant of some angry Bungie fanboy, but rather someone that loves Halo and sees it slipping away. I originally posted this in the #Gaming forum on Bungie.net, but I wanted to repost it here because frankly I’m a long time fan that’s upset with the direction the series is taking and I wanted it somewhere that it had a better chance of someone from 343 seeing it, so here is my original post:

I’m a pretty hardcore Halo fan. I’ve read all of the books, comics, played all of the games over and over. Halo 5 is a complete disappointment. It massively fails in the story department by making a story that requires knowledge of the books to understand what’s going on while simultaneously disappointing the people who have read the books by criminally under representing Blue Team.

Warzone is a poor man’s Invasion mode. And the whole req pack system more or less revolves around Warzone as arena multiplayer doesn’t have classes, making most of the items you get from req packs useless if you don’t like Warzone (I don’t). The map selection is super weak and there’s no firefight/Spartan Ops type mode. The movement stuff like boosting, sliding, shoulder charge, and ground pound are fun and I like the way they handled aiming down the sights, but these features can’t prop up the weak multiplayer. Grenade spam is a serious problem in arena.

And then there’s the story.

What the hell does 343i have against Cortana? I mean damn. In Halo 4 they killed her off, now they’ve brought her back as the enemy of the entire galaxy. 343i has made it more than obvious that they want to replace Chief with Locke, but the way they handling it - shoving Locke down everyone’s throat while undermining Chief - is the worst possible way they could’ve handled it. The fact that this was to be the first game that featured Chief’s reunion with Blue Team just helps to really salt the wound when you look at what they gave us. We should’ve had 15 levels of Blue Team just being the badasses they are, instead we got 3 missions as Blue Team. Seriously 343? And the fact that Locke was able to hold his own against THE Spartan II is a complete joke. It’s like 343 hasn’t even read their own books. The missions were boring and dragged on A LOT, of course maybe it was due to the fact that I didn’t want to play as Locke and Osiris.Overall I feel sorely disappointed in Halo 5. The story is bad, the missions are boring, the multiplayer feels barebones and there is no forge yet. Compare this with Halo 3 and Halo: Reach, the pinnacle of Halo games (at least in content if you aren’t a huge fan of those games), and Halo 5 doesn’t stack up.

Edit: I also wanted to point out that one of the areas that I feel like Halo 5 really disappoints is content. Ever since 343 took over we have not seen the same amount of content we were used to getting with Bungie Halo games, just go back and boot up Reach, that game has more content than you can shake a stick at - great campaign, firefight, multi, invasion, best ever forge, theater, file sharing, full customization, a plethora or customization options for multiplayer and firefight, etc.
Halo 5 has campaign, custom games and online multiplayer. I know forge is coming but it should’ve shipped with the game and Theater mode doesn’t count because it’s no longer necessary since Xbox One has Game DVR.

EDIT: I just want to apologize to anyone that I may have spoiled the story for with this post, it certainly wasn’t my intention. Like I said at the beginning I reposted this from the Bungie forums where I had the spoiler code in it but for got to do it over here, so again, I apologize for that. Luckily it looks as though one of the mods fixed it for me.

As for all the people telling me to play Destiny, it’s cool, I do play Destiny, daily. But I have been a Halo fan since the Cortana Letters. I have every Halo edition console, all the Legendary Editions of the games, all the books, comics, loads of collectibles, I even have a -Yoinking!- cat named Halo (and I will never confess whether or not I tried to put the cat helmet on it lol). I posted this because Halo has always been my absolute favorite gaming franchise, I love the universe and I care about the characters. We were told a while back that this series of games would be Master Chief’s story, maybe his last. But the direction the game has taken makes me feel like 343i is leaving me behind, and that’s a -Yoink- feeling to feel like you’re losing something you love.

Let’s just say you are a fan of the olds halo and you can’t accept change.
you can go play Destiny which has an awesome story and follow Bungie,

Your first sentence was I am a die hard bungie. Right there is your problem.

Then follow Bungie. Don’t offload your opinions about where Halo is going onto the Halo fans. We haven’t gone into Destiny’s forums and talked about how Destiny is nothing like the old Halo games… because that would be stupid…

Games have to evolve to stay relevant and fresh… I don’t see why this is such a problem for some people :expressionless:

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> Games have to evolve to stay relevant and fresh… I don’t see why this is such a problem for some people :expressionless:

We fear change (garth voice)

Go play Destiny. There’s at least 300 play hours in that game.
Sourc: My Xbox records

Go play Destiny this is Halo…everything about this game scream’s hello world I’m Halo! This game has everything to do with Halo :slight_smile: maybe you don’t?

I couldn’t agree more.
With the exception of Buck, Osiris has no character or personality. I was consistently getting bored during their missions. The story overall was lacklustre and didn’t have the same basic appeal as old Halo games.

Quite frankly it doesn’t have the same level of quality as the old Halo’s. But that won’t matter as fans will simply pass this off these complaints as people not liking change. Same way Apple fanboy’s get hyped because the new iPhone is 0.1mm bigger.

I’m holding out for forge, ‘cautiously optimistic’ is the term I’ll use.

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> Games have to evolve to stay relevant and fresh… I don’t see why this is such a problem for some people :expressionless:

I saw this and laughed, How is this game fresh?

Give me one aspect? how is this game Fresh? How?

Story wise, Halo has always been original. Even halo 4 was original(bad but original).

Halo 5 just isn’t original.

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> I couldn’t agree more.
> With the exception of Buck, Osiris has no character or personality. I was consistently getting bored during their missions. The story overall was lacklustre and didn’t have the same basic appeal as old Halo games.
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> Quite frankly it doesn’t have the same level of quality as the old Halo’s. But that won’t matter as fans will simply pass this off these complaints as people not liking change. Same way Apple fanboy’s get hyped because the new iPhone is 0.1mm bigger.
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> I’m holding out for forge, ‘cautiously optimistic’ is the term I’ll use.

agree, sept i have no hope for this game.

Dude the Bungie from Halo is no longer. And the Halo from Bungie is no longer.

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> > Games have to evolve to stay relevant and fresh… I don’t see why this is such a problem for some people :expressionless:
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> I saw this and laughed, How is this game fresh?
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> Give me one aspect? how is this game Fresh? How?
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> Story wise, Halo has always been original. Even halo 4 was original(bad but original).
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> Halo 5 just isn’t original.

The Warzone is very unique. . . does that really need qualifying?

The arena is a return of the arena shooter. Everything else out there is a military CoD clone and arena is very fresh to have balanced even starts and no kill streaks.

So, yea halo 4, 5 just arn’t adding up, tooooo much change tooooo much ambition. This would be a good thing, but 343 has just gone a very different direction.

(why is cortana the bad guy?)In short too many plot holes, too much torched protagonist, too much space magic.
They took away our dynamic duo and at the same time destroyed the first science fiction heroin I ever knew. (i mean for real? why? now im stuck with zelda, samus, laura croft, bummer)

however the gameplay was good.

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> Then follow Bungie. Don’t offload your opinions about where Halo is going onto the Halo fans. We haven’t gone into Destiny’s forums and talked about how Destiny is nothing like the old Halo games… because that would be stupid…

Wait what? That doesn’t make any sense. I’m on the halo 5 forum talking about halo 5.

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> Halo 5 just isn’t original.

Halo 5 is an abomination!

The OP couldn’t have put it better.

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> Halo 5 is an abomination!

pretty much… the beta was actually fine but this game right now is trash

The Halo you loved died with the Xbox 360. Welcome to 2015. Gaming has changed, and developers have had to adapt and change in order to sell to the broader audience. I’m familiar with the basic mechanics of modern shooters, and I love Halo 5. Lucky for you, 343i created MCC for the diehard fans that just can’t leave classic Halo behind.

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> The Halo you loved died with the Xbox 360. Welcome to 2015. Gaming has changed, and developers have had to adapt and change in order to sell to the broader audience. I’m familiar with the basic mechanics of modern shooters, and I love Halo 5. Lucky for you, 343i created MCC for the diehard fans that just can’t leave classic Halo behind.

Do you work for sledgehammer games?