The good, the bad and the ugly (finished)

Heres a few thoughts about halo 5 off the top of my head, this list is by no means complete and some of these may be opinions but i believe they are perfectly valid.

The good
Backdrops/skyboxes and enviroments are beautiful
Music, soundtrack, sounds and voice acting are great. i love the throwback to the classic halo theme.
Solid gameplay, its not perfect but its really good
High XP threshold to max level
Good changes to forerunner weapons
Removal of armour abilitys

The Bad
*Lack of playlists
*Lack of campaign scoring
*Lack of pregame lobby info (gamertags? levels? muting? invites? service records… where are you?)
*Lack of postgame lobby info (medals?)
*Devaluation of cosmetic items through req system
*No BTB on launch
*No Forge on launch
*No splitscreen
*Squad based campaign (dosent work for halo)
*10 Warden eternal fights in campaign
*Dependance on internet (cant forge or custom game offline)
*Short campaign (“campaign will be 8 to 12 hours on normal” wot?? i finished in 8 hours on legendary… solo… 8 to 12 hours on normal my -Yoink-)
*Bringing cortana back to life (thanks by ruining her perfect character by miraculously making her alive again and a villain)
*Domain is now working?? wasent it destroyed by halo rings firing?
*Party matching (4 random players can match against 4 partied players using mikes… not fair)
*Combined playlists (a player who wants to play CTF and only CTF does not want to end up playing 3 games of strongholds, a game of breakout and 3 games of slayer before they get a game of CTF they… and wait for it… just want to play CTF!)
*Temporary playlists (people want permanent playlists)
*Boss kill detection (how many times have you sunk a power weapon and a couple of clips of ammo into a boss just to have your team mates get the kill and you miss out… wtf?)

The ugly
*Pay to win (play honetly, only use reqs rarley as you occasionally get them… pay for them and spam banshee ultras every single game)
*Bad campaign AI (and you thought kat from reach was bad)
*Misleading advertising (hunt the truth? chief vs locke? chief goes rogue? well… no… we dont hunt any truth because we are told the ‘truth’ by the end of mission 2… locke and chief are best buddies by the end of the game and well chief dosent go rogue, he just says no once)
*Misleading info about campaign length (8 to 12 hours on normal… ok 343 just keep thinking that"
*Misleading info about maps (“21 maps on launch” well actually more like 9 maps on launch, 3 warzone assault maps that just have different sky boxes and the rest of them are forge/breakout maps)
*Microtransations (“oh but the money goes into funding free dlc” haha yeah free mongoose skins and emblems, no gamemodes or developer made maps)
*Vechile variants (10 different mongoose skins, warthog skins… scorpion skins… this is pretty self explanitory… also, banshee ultras, as if banshees wernt deadly enough in the right hands allready… yeah we have all seen those 90 banshee ultra killstreaks on yt)
*Non user friendly UI
*Bad ingame service record
*No map voting/ veto
*Bad map rotation (often got same map multiple times in a row and went days without playing on others)
*No playlist pops (im from oceania, we have a low population, since there is no pop counter i wasted many hours all up trying to get into gametypes just to be rejected due to population being too low)
*Only forge maps in BTB (forge maps will never be as nice as dev made maps, this is just lazy)
*Map recycling (lazy… e.g plaza and overgrowth)
*vechile flip mechanics are awful (dont need to explain this one. we have all died from our ghost flipping uncontrollably after going over a bump)
*splatter mechanics are terrible (gets hit by ghost going .5mph dies)
*Req level 7 dmr in warzone and the fact its rare (why… its no better than a BR…)
*Small radar in arena (needs to be 20m instead of 18)
*Spartan charge overpowered (needs recoil to the charger, or to be slower, anything… its very hard to avoid, you literally have to thruster before they charge)
*Dumbed down armour customisation (shoulders plz)
*Repetitive campaign (was a grind by last mission)
*Lack of character development (osiris, newly formed tea… chief and locke… all these encounters yet no development)
*No blue team intro (too bad for all the new halo players who dont know who blue team is)
*No legendary unlocks for campaign
*Buggy forge
*JIP for warzone (joins game, team is having its base assaulted, loosing by 600 points … its not free req points, your paying for them with the disapointment of loosing, the frustration of being on a bad team and the knowledge your Win/loss ratio just decreased)
*Power weapon despawn in warzone too fast (ever spawned in with a power weapon and died from a sniper before even using it, just to return to the spot 20 seconds later to find it gone)
*3 non combat missions
*Big helmets (just look at copperhead or void dancer haha, these are extreme examples of big helmets but nearly all helmets in this game suffer this problem)

Good = 6
Bad = 17
Ugly = 28

According to my calculations this game is only 11% good
Halo 5 lacks the quality i have come to expect from a halo game
It was released unfinished and missing content

I dont see how anyone can defend 343 after MCC and then halo 5, free dlc is a joke… forge, btb, overgrowth and the battle of noctus were good but they should have been in the game on release
everything else from ‘free dlc’ is mongoose skins, emblems and forge maps… i doubt halo 5 will see any new playlists for atleast a month… and you know what. i bet they will be temporary playlists

I no longer play halo 5, my friends dont either and unless 343 bucks their ideas up and gives the community what they want, and improve the game to the quality it should have been on release im afraid the mass exodus will continue

Thats all

I have same thoughts as you do…

Most of what you said was pretty unbiased. I disagree on squad-based campaign being bad for Halo, though. I LOVE squad based campaign, but the characters have to be introduced and developed for it to work (Which they weren’t in this game, unlike Reach)

I would’ve added some more to the good and combined some of the bad. I wish that they could add some texture to the forge made maps so it looks like real maps. For some, you’re kind of trying to be picky just to make a point like shoulder customization and a 2 meter bump to radar.

But I agree with a lot of the stuff, just not all of it.

This list is quite bad and your method is certainly not a good one.
you can basically make up things to make up the numbers you want.

I agree with this list, especially about 343 releasing this game in an unfinished state.

Even MCC is a better game than this, and it has loads of content.

I’ll have to agree with the misleading advertising. The first commercial showed “The Death of a Hero”, then we had the Hunt the Truth campaign which might have been interesting if the scenario really happened.

I am really missing the armor abilities and custom loadouts from Halo 4, you could tailor your multiplayer experience for your play style. I would gladly exchange the trusters (and spartan charge) for a jetpack or promethean shield.

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> This list is quite bad and your method is certainly not a good one.
> you can basically make up things to make up the numbers you want.

This comment is quite bad and your method is certainly not a good one.
You can basically string words together without any reasoning to back them up.

Pretty much everything on this list is right where it should be. The bads are bad, and the uglies are ugly.

I don’t agree/care about most of the things you complained about. In the end, it’s all about fun, and I think that comes primarily from gameplay. If everything about a game sucked except for gameplay, and the gameplay was the best gameplay ever, I think I’d probably still play the game. OF COURSE story, UI, soundtrack (which in this case was really good) also end up selling the game to me, in the end it should really just be about having fun.

I agree with most

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> I don’t agree/care about most of the things you complained about. In the end, it’s all about fun, and I think that comes primarily from gameplay. If everything about a game sucked except for gameplay, and the gameplay was the best gameplay ever, I think I’d probably still play the game. OF COURSE story, UI, soundtrack (which in this case was really good) also end up selling the game to me, in the end it should really just be about having fun.

A game isnt all about gameplay. It is all the other features that work with the gameplay to make a game an enjoyable and fun experience. Halo 5 is fun for a short while but does not have the out of gameplay features to support and sustain extended fun, replayability or overall enjoyment.

A house is essentially a shelter from the elements and a place to sleep. You could build a great house but if it dosent have a tv, a bed, a fridge, airconditioning, carpet ect it wont be very enjoyable, its still a shelter from the elements and you could still sleep on the floor, but it wont be a good time, it may be a good house but it dosent have any features to sustain enjoyment.

A good thing about Halo 5 is the Campaign it is really good to me.
A bad thing about Halo 5 is that you need Xbox Live to use Custom Games and Forge Mode and that sucks for someone who dosn’t have Xbox Live like me.
Another Bad thing is that they got rid of the flood and replased it with green spartans.
An Ugly thing about Halo 5 is that Warden Enternal is really Ugly and Creapy but thats only his face I love the body desine.

A good thing about Halo 5 is the Campaign it is really good to me.
A bad thing about Halo 5 is that you need Xbox Live to use Custom Games and Forge Mode and that sucks for someone who dosn’t have Xbox Live like me.
Another Bad thing is that they got rid of the flood and replased it with green spartans.
An Ugly thing about Halo 5 is that Warden Enternal is really Ugly and Creapy but thats only his face I love the body desine.

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> A good thing about Halo 5 is the Campaign it is really good to me.
> A bad thing about Halo 5 is that you need Xbox Live to use Custom Games and Forge Mode and that sucks for someone who dosn’t have Xbox Live like me.
> Another Bad thing is that they got rid of the flood and replased it with green spartans.
> An Ugly thing about Halo 5 is that Warden Enternal is really Ugly and Creapy but thats only his face I love the body desine.

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