The good Halo days have ended, and it's our fault.

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This community on the Forums has officially ruined Halo for me. But trust me, keep reading.

Halo is my favorite game series of all time. I started 10 years ago with Halo 2 at a friends house, and back in the day played CE and 2 all the time at his house, we even had a big party when Halo 3 came out. (Also, I didn’t get my own consoles until 2009, around the time ODST came out.) Halo 3 is one of my favorite games of all time. Since then, I’ve read books, comics, and watched Halo inspired Machinima, and live action stuff like FOTD and Nightfall. I also enjoyed ODST, had a love/hate relationship with Reach, and also loved Halo 4.

Did you catch that? I loved Halo 4. Yep give me a lot of crap. Whatever, you’re just proving my point. This is where the problems start.

The Halo community on Waypoint Forums is very rude and hostile towards each other. It’s honestly so bad. No one can accept anyone else’s opinions, and if you try to defend yourself or something you like, people will always try and tear it down. The biggest thing I notice is that the “superior Halo 2 fans” will talk sh*t on any fan of Halo 4 or 5. You don’t have to like the game, but please don’t tear someone’s opinions apart because they enjoy a game. Also, the overall competitive players, hate the casual players. Sorry they aren’t on your skill level, I get it, it sucks. But don’t try and exclude them from Halo, a lot of casuals play for fun! There’s nothing wrong with that.

And now,it’s even in gameplay. I’ve noticed the players in Halo act more like children betraying for weapons, splattering, and shooting teammates. I’ve been playing for 10 years, and it’s never been this bad. It’s really annoying, and really destroying my Halo experience because everyone is acting like d*ck.

In the end, I don’t really see myself getting interested in Halo for awhile. Their are people ruining gameplay, and when I come to the forums, it’s just hatred. It makes me sad to see the game I love have a fan base so divided, immature players, and just pure hatred. The fact that TMCC is still buggy and broken doesn’t help either, but I’m not going to complain because I have other shooters to play.

But while we are at it, here are my honest personal opinions about Halo that you all can criticize and tear me apart for!

  1. Halo 4 is my favorite online multiplayer.
  2. Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: Guardians are good, or looking to be great in 5’s case.
  3. Sprint is good. I don’t ever want it to be removed.
  4. PowerUps and Armor Abilities were fine. I didn’t even mind Armor Lock.
  5. I like where 343i is taking Halo.
  6. Halo 2 is overhyped, and not fun. (I didn’t actually think this until the Halo 2 fans on the Forums criticized me for no worshipping it.)
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> But while we are at it, here are my honest personal opinions about Halo that you all can criticize and tear me apart for!
> 1. Halo 4 is my favorite online multiplayer.
> 2. Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: Guardians are good, or looking to be great in 5’s case.
> 3. Sprint is good. I don’t ever want it to be removed.
> 4. PowerUps and Armor Abilities were fine. I didn’t even mind Armor Lock.
> 5. I like where 343i is taking Halo.
> 6. Halo 2 is overhyped, and not fun. (I didn’t actually think this until the Halo 2 fans on the Forums criticized me for no worshipping it.)

You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree because the things you list here that are common to these games is that they borrow a lot from Call of Duty. The problem with that is you eventually run into the same problem games like Medal of Honor and to and extent Battlefield Hardline ran into: turning yourself into CoD isn’t a viable option, people who like CoD will play it, then move on/go back to CoD- like the casual gamer (why play an imitation when you can have the real thing). Halo 4 had the worst attach rate of any Halo game by far.

What’s left is the hardcore fanbase, who will be cheesed off at now not having something tangibly different in the FPS market. See why a storied franchise like Medal of Honor is probably forever dead, and why Hardline got delayed to hell and back (though Hardline had issues with the backlash of Battlefield 4’s launch).

Combine that with the fact that CoD’s sales are somewhat significantly decreasing every year, shows that a lot of the gimmicks that makes CoD CoD, is starting to turn people off. See why 343 has done a real about face in Halo 5 as compared to Halo 4.

So while I respect your argument, I’m personally glad 343 is at least moving in the opposite direction for the most part.

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  1. i think you were born too late, i pity you for never getting to enjoy halo 2 in its prime
  2. ive been playing halo since CE on og xbox in 2001 (waited at midnight for my console + game) and you may enjoy sprint, but ive been here for a while and no sprint has worked since 2001, halo was unique and had its identity from halo 1-3.
  3. armor abiltys had its place, but was balanced because you had to choose 1 to spawn with VS halo 5 where you have all base traits.
    i prefer power ups like over shield and active camo being a pickup on a spawn timer.
  4. without halo 2 xbox live would not be what it is today. it would be a server browser like PC on console. halo 2 was the first game to have MM like we have today.
  5. halo 2 was also very very skill based and didnt have hand holding like weapon timers being shown and where weapons spawned. you had to know the map and spawn timers.

you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav).

and many features were borrowed from cod in halo 4 and soon halo 5, that were not in halo 1-3.

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> > But while we are at it, here are my honest personal opinions about Halo that you all can criticize and tear me apart for!
> > 1. Halo 4 is my favorite online multiplayer.
> > 2. Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: Guardians are good, or looking to be great in 5’s case.
> > 3. Sprint is good. I don’t ever want it to be removed.
> > 4. PowerUps and Armor Abilities were fine. I didn’t even mind Armor Lock.
> > 5. I like where 343i is taking Halo.
> > 6. Halo 2 is overhyped, and not fun. (I didn’t actually think this until the Halo 2 fans on the Forums criticized me for no worshipping it.)
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> You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree because the things you list here that are common to these games is that they borrow a lot from Call of Duty. The problem with that is you eventually run into the same problem games like Medal of Honor and to and extent Battlefield Hardline ran into: turning yourself into CoD isn’t a viable option, people who like CoD will play it, then move on/go back to CoD- like the casual gamer (why play an imitation when you can have the real thing). Halo 4 had the worst attach rate of any Halo game by far.
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> What’s left is the hardcore fanbase, who will be cheesed off at now not having something tangibly different in the FPS market. See why a storied franchise like Medal of Honor is probably forever dead, and why Hardline got delayed to hell and back (though Hardline had issues with the backlash of Battlefield 4’s launch).
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> Combine that with the fact that CoD’s sales are somewhat significantly decreasing every year, shows that a lot of the gimmicks that makes CoD CoD, is starting to turn people off. See why 343 has done a real about face in Halo 5 as compared to Halo 4.
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> So while I respect your argument, I’m personally glad 343 is at least moving in the opposite direction for the most part.

You’re right, I do enjoy CoD, but not for the same reasons I enjoy Halo. Halo 3 and 4 are my favorite Halo multiplayers and they’re very different. From the Beta alone, I think Halo 5 is my favorite Halo. And it’s still a year away. They took some things out from 4 I didn’t like, and brought back some old stuff. So, I think it’s right on track for me at least.

Also, in CoD and Halo, I either don’t have my mic in or I’m in a party with friends. When I do have my mic in, for Halo 10% of time I find cool people to chat with, 30% of the time their are annoying people, and 60% no one talking. With CoD, it’s both 20% cool/or annoying talkers, and 60% no one talking. But at least in CoD, you can’t betray your teammates.

Also, Medal of Honor (2010) was the first MoH I played and I really enjoyed it. I cane even say I bought it, AND Warfighter, and enjoyed both while being able to admit they had major flaws. And Hardline’s beta last week was like one of the largest Betas ever according to IGN, and I had a great time playing it. Better times then my recent Halo and CoD plays.

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> > > But while we are at it, here are my honest personal opinions about Halo that you all can criticize and tear me apart for!
> > > 1. Halo 4 is my favorite online multiplayer.
> > > 2. Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5: Guardians are good, or looking to be great in 5’s case.
> > > 3. Sprint is good. I don’t ever want it to be removed.
> > > 4. PowerUps and Armor Abilities were fine. I didn’t even mind Armor Lock.
> > > 5. I like where 343i is taking Halo.
> > > 6. Halo 2 is overhyped, and not fun. (I didn’t actually think this until the Halo 2 fans on the Forums criticized me for no worshipping it.)
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> > You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree because the things you list here that are common to these games is that they borrow a lot from Call of Duty. The problem with that is you eventually run into the same problem games like Medal of Honor and to and extent Battlefield Hardline ran into: turning yourself into CoD isn’t a viable option, people who like CoD will play it, then move on/go back to CoD- like the casual gamer (why play an imitation when you can have the real thing). Halo 4 had the worst attach rate of any Halo game by far.
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> > What’s left is the hardcore fanbase, who will be cheesed off at now not having something tangibly different in the FPS market. See why a storied franchise like Medal of Honor is probably forever dead, and why Hardline got delayed to hell and back (though Hardline had issues with the backlash of Battlefield 4’s launch).
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> > Combine that with the fact that CoD’s sales are somewhat significantly decreasing every year, shows that a lot of the gimmicks that makes CoD CoD, is starting to turn people off. See why 343 has done a real about face in Halo 5 as compared to Halo 4.
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> > So while I respect your argument, I’m personally glad 343 is at least moving in the opposite direction for the most part.
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> You’re right, I do enjoy CoD, but not for the same reasons I enjoy Halo. Halo 3 and 4 are my favorite Halo multiplayers and they’re very different. From the Beta alone, I think Halo 5 is my favorite Halo. And it’s still a year away. They took some things out from 4 I didn’t like, and brought back some old stuff. So, I think it’s right on track for me at least.
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> Also, in CoD and Halo, I either don’t have my mic in or I’m in a party with friends. When I do have my mic in, for Halo 10% of time I find cool people to chat with, 30% of the time their are annoying people, and 60% no one talking. With CoD, it’s both 20% cool/or annoying talkers, and 60% no one talking. But at least in CoD, you can’t betray your teammates.
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> Also, Medal of Honor (2010) was the first MoH I played and I really enjoyed it. I cane even say I bought it, AND Warfighter, and enjoyed both while being able to admit they had major flaws. And Hardline’s beta last week was like one of the largest Betas ever according to IGN, and I had a great time playing it. Better times then my recent Halo and CoD plays.

there were more players yet ALOT less hours played vs the halo 3 beta, disprove that. halo 3 beta had much much much more longetivity than the halo 5 did.

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> 1. i think you were born too late, i pity you for never getting to enjoy halo 2 in its prime
> 2. ive been playing halo since CE on og xbox in 2001 (waited at midnight for my console + game) and you may enjoy sprint, but ive been here for a while and no sprint has worked since 2001, halo was unique and had its identity from halo 1-3.
> 3. armor abiltys had its place, but was balanced because you had to choose 1 to spawn with VS halo 5 where you have all base traits.
> i prefer power ups like over shield and active camo being a pickup on a spawn timer.
> 4. without halo 2 xbox live would not be what it is today. it would be a server browser like PC on console. halo 2 was the first game to have MM like we have today.
> 5. halo 2 was also very very skill based and didnt have hand holding like weapon timers being shown and where weapons spawned. you had to know the map and spawn timers.
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> you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav).

You missed the point, and you’re almost a perfect example of what I don’t like, no offense.
You say your opinion in more valid. It isn’t, no one’s opinion is more valid. That would make it a fact, which it isn’t.
I’ll admit Halo 2 Campaign is my favorite, and growing up at my young age playing Halo 2 with my friends and is brothers was incredible. And, it basically jump started XBL. But now, looking back, I think it is unbalanced, and unfair. And I don’t have fun playing it.
Halo works well without sprint, and it works well with it I think. So that doesn’t bother me.

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> there were more players yet ALOT less hours played vs the halo 3 beta, disprove that. halo 3 beta had much much much more longetivity than the halo 5 did.

Halo 3 was also the peek of people being interested in Halo. In the last 10 years, only me, and one of my friends have stuck with Halo. People are either growing out of games in general, which may explain why I never find people to talk to, or are playing other shooters they find more fun.

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> > 1. i think you were born too late, i pity you for never getting to enjoy halo 2 in its prime
> > 2. ive been playing halo since CE on og xbox in 2001 (waited at midnight for my console + game) and you may enjoy sprint, but ive been here for a while and no sprint has worked since 2001, halo was unique and had its identity from halo 1-3.
> > 3. armor abiltys had its place, but was balanced because you had to choose 1 to spawn with VS halo 5 where you have all base traits.
> > i prefer power ups like over shield and active camo being a pickup on a spawn timer.
> > 4. without halo 2 xbox live would not be what it is today. it would be a server browser like PC on console. halo 2 was the first game to have MM like we have today.
> > 5. halo 2 was also very very skill based and didnt have hand holding like weapon timers being shown and where weapons spawned. you had to know the map and spawn timers.
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> > you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav).
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> You missed the point, and you’re almost a perfect example of what I don’t like, no offense.
> You say your opinion in more valid. It isn’t, no one’s opinion is more valid. That would make it a fact, which it isn’t.
> I’ll admit Halo 2 Campaign is my favorite, and growing up at my young age playing Halo 2 with my friends and is brothers was incredible. And, it basically jump started XBL. But now, looking back, I think it is unbalanced, and unfair. And I don’t have fun playing it.
> Halo works well without sprint, and it works well with it I think. So that doesn’t bother me.

how was it unbalanced or unfair? in order to have a weighted opinion you have to have something to back yourself up. you are rather lightweight fyi

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> > there were more players yet ALOT less hours played vs the halo 3 beta, disprove that. halo 3 beta had much much much more longetivity than the halo 5 did.
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> Halo 3 was also the peek of people being interested in Halo. In the last 10 years, only me, and one of my friends have stuck with Halo. People are either growing out of games in general, which may explain why I never find people to talk to, or are playing other shooters they find more fun.

nope. i still have buddys from original xbox on my friends list today. there are many many halo veterans on the MCC (its just broken right now, so they are sleepers we are around) also many of us also play bf as well as halo these days. i played the entire halo 3 beta back in the day, every day it was up. vs the halo 5 beta where i played one day of it because it did not play like halo. it played like cod advanced warfare not ONE bit different.

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BXR for one is bullsh*t, but it’s apart of Halo history so I won’t fault it.
The BR can outgun basically any gun, but somehow has a not too impressive range.
Sword can over lunge and make you miss people, and let them kill you.
Grenade spam is crazy.
The melee is just plain stupid, I can kill someone in one hit, or take up to 3/4 hits to kill someone sometimes hooting or not.
(Most of these are historic to Halo 2, so I wouldn’t ask them to change them, but it’s still makes game less balanced. IMO!)

As far as fare goes, that’s more of a non dedicated server and skill gap thing. I’m a lot better at 3 and 4, but suck at 2 because they’re are so many veterans that I get matched up with.

Also, I DON’T HAVE FUN PLAYING HALO 2!!! My lightweight argument, or weighted argument, I don’t need proof to show that I don’t have fun with a game.
It’s my opinion! Halo 3 and 4, and even CE are more fun TO ME, and therefore I like them more. You can’t tell me MY opinion is wrong, and I can’t tell you yours is either.

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> nope. i still have buddys from original xbox on my friends list today. there are many many halo veterans on the MCC (its just broken right now, so they are sleepers we are around) also many of us also play bf as well as halo these days. i played the entire halo 3 beta back in the day, every day it was up. vs the halo 5 beta where i played one day of it because it did not play like halo. it played like cod advanced warfare not ONE bit different.

Okay… I’m not trying to change your opinion. I’m not saying it’s wrong. What I am saying is that you have no respect for my opinions and are trying to prove them wrong. I assume that if anyone’s opinions are not the same, you try to tell them they’re wrong too. You are the exact manifestation of all the people that made me hate Halo 2, because you worship the game, and don’t respect others for liking any Halo more then Halo 2. I sound like a jerk, but apparently this is the community for that. And for you to say that Halo 5 is just like Advanced Warfare is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard, but I’m not going to argue with you, because you’ve made it clear no one can change your opinion.

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> BXR for one is bullsh*t, but it’s apart of Halo history so I won’t fault it.
> The BR can outgun basically any gun, but somehow has a not too impressive range.
> Sword can over lunge and make you miss people, and let them kill you.
> Grenade spam is crazy.
> The melee is just plain stupid, I can kill someone in one hit, or take up to 3/4 hits to kill someone sometimes hooting or not.
> (Most of these are historic to Halo 2, so I wouldn’t ask them to change them, but it’s still makes game less balanced. IMO!)
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> As far as fare goes, that’s more of a non dedicated server and skill gap thing. I’m a lot better at 3 and 4, but suck at 2 because they’re are so many veterans that I get matched up with.
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> Also, I DON’T HAVE FUN PLAYING HALO 2!!! My lightweight argument, or weighted argument, I don’t need proof to show that I don’t have fun with a game.
> It’s my opinion! Halo 3 and 4, and even CE are more fun TO ME, and therefore I like them more. You can’t tell me MY opinion is wrong, and I can’t tell you yours is either.

i am sorry you did not master bxb bxr double shooting or quad shooting. anyone can do it so its not unfair (practice makes perfect). i enjoy every halo game but 4+ 5 beta, i can tolerate reach. i wont stop voteing for halo 2 in TS or any playlist (i play team hardcore and halo 2 classic most of the time).
and in the other post of how cod is not like halo disprove this , tell me what is significantly different.

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Your opinions are pretty terrible to be perfectly honest. Just sayin’.

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> …you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav)…

Really?

People like you are the reason this community is Yoinked! You think that your opinion is better than every one elses

OP: While I think H2A is better than 4 online, I reckon Halo 5 is going to be the best yet.

Thank you for posting an opinion positively for once

:slight_smile:

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> > …you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav)…
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> Really?
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> People like you are the reason this community is Yoinked! You think that your opinion is better than every one elses
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> OP: While I think H2A is better than 4 online, I reckon Halo 5 is going to be the best yet.
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> Thank you for posting an opinion positively for once
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> :slight_smile:

When I go on the bf forums and I post some feedback I better have stats that are good with whatever I’m talking about. Like having service stars with that weapon. They call you out of you cannot back your argument up. And I’m ok with having to have a good background on a subject to talk critically about it.

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> > > …you can have your opinion, but mine is more valid (go check my account service record for halo 2 og—halo 4 (my least fav)…
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> > Really?
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> > People like you are the reason this community is Yoinked! You think that your opinion is better than every one elses
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> > OP: While I think H2A is better than 4 online, I reckon Halo 5 is going to be the best yet.
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> > Thank you for posting an opinion positively for once
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> > :slight_smile:
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> When I go on the bf forums and I post some feedback I better have stats that are good with whatever I’m talking about. Like having service stars with that weapon. They call you out of you cannot back your argument up. And I’m ok with having to have a good background on a subject to talk critically about it.

That doesn’t mean your opinion is always better than someone else’s

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How old are you.

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It has nothing to do with age. It has nothing to do with when you first played the franchise. It had to do with respecting the fundamentals of Halo and what they represent. Grady Sk33ting seems to think that Sprint must be Running With Guns Down. He, like many others, has been brainwashed by 343 and the console gaming industry.

Mechanisms like ADS and Running With Guns Down violate the arena principles that Halo’s foundation was always built on. So if you don’t mind these things being in Halo then you basically want just another generic shooter on consoles but with Halo skins and artwork. Halo had an identity. There was a purpose to playing Halo beyond personal preference. It truly provided a unique experience on consoles. Now? Not so much.

343 has decided to be inspired by the trendiest of trendy console shooters. Halo is becoming irrelevant in the general FPS gaming community because it is turning into just another generic console shooter. Some might prefer it over other games. Some are already attached to the lore. But as a whole non-attached gamers, non-XBox gamers and PC gamers are not going to pay attention to Halo anymore. Much like how Killzone Shadowfall was irrelevant in FPS gaming circles even though it sold over 3 million copies in the PS4 launch window.

Halo will sell extremely well as its Microsoft’s strongest franchise. But the community will be weak a month after launch when the casuals move on to the next super-hyped release, such as Star Wars Battlefront. It will struggle to convert non-attached gamers because there is no real reason to play it for them besides being attracted to the art since the game has been designed to play so much more similarly to the console alternatives. Halo’s identity and integrity has been sacrificed. There is very little reason to play Halo now beyond personal preference. Before there was a purpose. Now? Not so much.

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> Halo will sell extremely well as its Microsoft’s strongest franchise. But the community will be weak a month after launch when the casuals move on to the next super-hyped release, such as Star Wars Battlefront. It will struggle to convert non-attached gamers because there is no real reason to play it for them besides being attracted to the art since the game has been designed to play so much more similarly to the console alternatives. Halo’s identity and integrity has been sacrificed. There is very little reason to play Halo now beyond personal preference. Before there was a purpose. Now? Not so much.

That’s speculation though. The first part. How do you know that the population wouldn’t drop if Sprint and the other Spartan Abilities were removed? I’m not saying it would. Before you answer that though, don’t bring the previous Halos population into account. Take into account the current gaming climate.

As for what reason there is to play Halo? Plenty. So far there’s campaign, forge, and arena multiplayer(which unlike Halo 4 will have a ranking system at launch). And we don’t even know anything about the forge mode and the larger multiplayer offerings.

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> It has nothing to do with age. It has nothing to do with when you first played the franchise. It had to do with respecting the fundamentals of Halo and what they represent. Grady Sk33ting seems to think that Sprint must be Running With Guns Down. He, like many others, has been brainwashed by 343 and the console gaming industry.
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> Mechanisms like ADS and Running With Guns Down violate the arena principles that Halo’s foundation was always built on. So if you don’t mind these things being in Halo then you basically want just another generic shooter on consoles but with Halo skins and artwork. Halo had an identity. There was a purpose to playing Halo beyond personal preference. It truly provided a unique experience on consoles. Now? Not so much.
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> 343 has decided to be inspired by the trendiest of trendy console shooters. Halo is becoming irrelevant in the general FPS gaming community because it is turning into just another generic console shooter. Some might prefer it over other games. Some are already attached to the lore. But as a whole non-attached gamers, non-XBox gamers and PC gamers are not going to pay attention to Halo anymore. Much like how Killzone Shadowfall was irrelevant in FPS gaming circles even though it sold over 3 million copies in the PS4 launch window.
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> Halo will sell extremely well as its Microsoft’s strongest franchise. But the community will be weak a month after launch when the casuals move on to the next super-hyped release, such as Star Wars Battlefront. It will struggle to convert non-attached gamers because there is no real reason to play it for them besides being attracted to the art since the game has been designed to play so much more similarly to the console alternatives. Halo’s identity and integrity has been sacrificed. There is very little reason to play Halo now beyond personal preference. Before there was a purpose. Now? Not so much.

Don’t tell me how I think, because you don’t know. You think I’ve been brainwashed? How about I have more fun with games that change, instead of having Halo 2 over and over and over. Honestly Smart Scope really doesn’t effect H5:G at all. Seriously, it’s almost irrelevant since you are getting shot a lot anyways.
By your logic, if I enjoy Halo 4 or 5, I’m a generic casual, (Which is not a bad thing by the way people.) and I don’t respect Halo’s origins. I do, but I’d rather have a game that implements some changes, because now that I have played Halo 2 and 2A recently, I wouldn’t come back to Halo if it did a total 180 and went back to it’s origins.

I respect, your respect for the Halo classic gameplay fundamentals, they’re important, and I can still enjoy playing that way in TMCC, but for Halo to go back to that, I think is a mistake.