The Forerunners were foolish and short-sighted

This whole “Humans are special; let’s make them our successors” deal seems sort of silly.

It has always struck me as really odd how the Forerunners handled the transfer of the Mantle from themselves to Humanity. They botched it. As it has become heavily apparent in recent years that the Forerunners survived their ordeal with the Flood and the Array, I have to wonder why they left the galaxy cluttered with their rubbish. It has lead to the failure of their entire plan. They left thousands of worlds full of extremely powerful technology, in many cases on the home worlds of extremely aggressive and warmongering species like the Sangheili, whilst leaving – or actively hiding, rather – the very same technology from their successors. In other words, they handed over on a silver platter the means to butcher the galaxy to races that would do just that, whilst going as far as actually trying to normalize isotope concentrations in the Earth’s soil to hide their technology from their “reclaimers”. (This was the lengths that the Librarian went to in order to hide the portal. Everything else was left slap-dash) The most likely outcome should be patently obvious, and it very nearly ended up like that. Now, their little “reclaimers” are utterly xenophobic and disregardful to anything that is non-human, which is not quite who the Mantle was intended to be passed on to. How would they arbitrate the galaxy and bring unity to it when they have no power to do so? Other races could simply squish them flat like bugs using their Forerunner based technology whilst the reclaimers have only just begun to discover it.

I understand that during the war against the Flood, a lot of assets and technology would have been lost and scattered around everywhere, (And when it was thought that they had all died, it made sense as there was no one left alive to tidy up) but why were the Covenant races in many cases literally swimming in Forerunner technology after the Forerunners indexed them back on their home worlds? It almost seems as if they wished for their reclaimers to fail. Either that or they are extremely foolish and short-sighted as a race.

Huh.

That’s a good point, actually.

Maybe the forerunners are our enemy, and the covenant team up with the forerunners to kill the chief.

Isn’t there a UNSC ship near the Shield world that has reversed engineered forerunner technology on it?

Also I think that the elites would come to help the chief if they pick up his distress signal.

The Precursors (the gravemind in Halo: Primordium) wanted the humans as the mantle successor – I wouldn’t assume the forerunners wanted this at all as they dislike humans for trying t over throw them in power.The covenant species had access to so many forerunner based technologies, as they were simply older and more advanced than us. Also, they are a “covenant” ie. they shared their intellect within their ranks – while humans were just alone to access the forerunner records.

From what you’re saying how you they weren’t buried well, etc. The 3rd forerunner saga novel will be sure to explain that, as the 1-2nd book at the moment explains why there are both; shield worlds and Halo arrays, and that there is conflict within the parliament system with how they are to handle the flood threat.

Remember, Earth did have the slipspace teleport to the Ark it’s self. So we did have some neat stuff.

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> The Precursors (the gravemind in Halo: Primordium) wanted the humans as the mantle successor – I wouldn’t assume the forerunners wanted this at all as they dislike humans for trying t over throw them in power.

This does not solve the problem, but merely defers it up a level to the Precursors as being the incompetent ones. However, as for the Forerunners not wanting to leave Humanity with the keys to the galaxy, I could see that. Out of spite, they leave behind the means for others to destroy Humanity and prevent it from succeeding. But really, why would they bother doing all that and not just outright annihilate Humanity when they had the chance during the final days of the Flood War? Why bother indexing Humanity at all if they wanted to both spite the Precursor and prevent Humanity from potentially besting them? Just snuff Humanity out right then and there and do away with all the contrived plotting and long term (and therefore highly uncertain) plans. It seems to me that the Forerunners were genuine in the end about setting Humanity up for a run at the Mantle.

This also ignores the role of the Librarian and the Didact in things. These individuals have already influenced events drastically on their own. The Librarian has a significant degree of influence in Forerunner society and in looking out for Humanity’s future would surely ensure that the galaxy is left as a level playing field at least and not with the odds stacked against Humanity. As for the Didact, he undergoes a change and becomes much more appreciative towards Humanity, (And there is no remarkable deviation from this by the time the Halo 3 Terminals occur) so I would class him the same. Even if Forerunner society in general was resentful, these two would at least make sure that the proper preparations were made, right?

In the end, if the Forerunners planned on trying to survive the Precursors wrath, it would generally be a good idea to not piss off the immortal race of lovecraftian demigods even more by wiping out their intended successors when your race is already, apparently, guilty of trying it on those beings themselves. If apparently one Precursor has the power to command the Flood to ruin an entire galaxy, and there are apparently more surviving Precursors out there doing god knows what, is it really a good idea to continue trying to defy them? I don’t think the Forerunners would have been malicious in the face of these facts and ideas in my opinion.

> The covenant species had access to so many forerunner based technologies, as they were simply older and more advanced than us. Also, they are a “covenant” ie. they shared their intellect within their ranks – while humans were just alone to access the forerunner records.

They were only more advanced due to their Forerunner artifacts though. Previously tier 3 Elites and Prophets after their war were catapulted into tier 2 territories by the advancements from their own war (Made from Forerunner technology…) plus the discovery of a shield world which over the years granted them more and more “discoveries”. (Halo Wars timeline) The Covenant would probably not even exist as a collective had the Prophets not had that Forerunner Key ship; had the Elites and Prophets not then used Forerunner based Slipspace drives to rapidly expand their territory and influence, etc. It is not really a question of being more advanced or older or being a collective; in either case neither would be an issue had the technologies not been left lying around in the first place.

> Remember, Earth did have the slipspace teleport to the Ark it’s self. So we did have some neat stuff.

I do recall it, yes. Arguably, the most powerful artifact in the galaxy by default on account of the fact that it is the only means to reach the Ark, which controls the entire array, makes Haloes and has/does god knows what else. However, the Forerunners went to extreme lengths to hide the portal from Earth’s inhabitants, Humans, to the point where they were fixing isotope concentrations in the soil, whereas they left Forerunner technology in plain sight on worlds like Sanghelios and Janjom Qom.

I agree, but we do not know for sure what happened during the activation of the Halo Array, where the survivors are, or even who is still alive. I think there is more to it, and lets hope so at least. Because otherwise it makes the canon seem somewhat flawed.

One thing you have to take into consideration is that the Forerunner goals never actually went according to plan. I doubt their plan was to make Humans the reclaimers and then not give them anything close which they could reclaim. Mendicant Bias’ betrayal was a huge setback and the entire activation of the Halo array was premature. The Librarian herself had only just finished installing the Portal when all this went down and she was forced to strand herself there, or so was originally believed until Primordium. But we have no idea how long the surviving Forerunner stayed in the Milky Way before leaving and we have no idea what exactly they did besides oversee the reseeding. I’m sure the next Forerunner book will explain this.

Plus they didn’t exactly have a crystal ball which they could use to foresee when we would be able to reclaim our past glory to begin with. They did leave us with Geas which would help guide us but for thousands of years the scientific community has been shunned by religions who believed science was blasphemy. Even if the greatest minds of our civilization were as they were because of a Geas buried deep into their subconscious they couldn’t have known large groups of stupid people would kill them or threaten to kill them for thinking the way they did.

Archimedes for example was on his way to discovering calculus 1000 years before Issac Newton but he was killed during the Second Punic War and his writings were erased by Monks who used his papers to write prayers on. Imagine what we could have accomplished had his breakthroughs been published. No one could have predicted events like this would occur.

As for the Elites and Prophets I don’t know why they were allowed to grow up near Forerunner structures but they were content with simply worshiping the structures and nothing else. It wasn’t until a group of Prophet fundamentalists stole the Dreadnaught and left their planet did things start to change. They fought the Elites and eventually forced them to go against tradition and open up holy relics in order to fight back. Had these events not occurred it’s possible they too wouldn’t have been more advanced because of their refusal to study them. Although I suppose it would have been inevitable that they finally did. Still, crazy religions are unpredictable and more often than not are what ultimately shape a cultures development.

> I agree, but we do not know for sure what happened during the activation of the Halo Array, where the survivors are, or even who is still alive. I think there is more to it, and lets hope so at least. Because otherwise it makes the canon seem somewhat flawed.

Well, I am not really saying that the canon is flawed here. I am saying that the Forerunners were very poor at management and planning, and were somewhat naive. I mean, the entire Forerunner-Flood War escalated into what it became because the Forerunner mismanaged the war from day one; treating the Flood as a disease rather than a sentient organism. This appears to be another one of their failings.

Though it could be seen as a plot hole I guess. Back when the Forerunner and Humans were essentially the same race (As I found out recently) then it could maybe look as if the Forerunner didn’t have time to sort things out before having to fire the array. When they did so, they wiped out their entire species save for the specimens of themselves that they indexed, i.e. the one that would be returned to Earth. If the Forerunners are different from Humans (As it was definitively shown in Cryptum) but still die in the end then once again they may not have had time to sort the galaxy out before being wiped out by the rings, so Humanity has to rise in a galaxy where the odds are tipped drastically against it. Of course both scenarios have one problem: The Forerunners don’t actually have to be alive to do this. They presumably reseeded the galaxy using AIs and automated systems when it was believed that they had all died. So one could wonder why these AIs did not take the initiative and clean the galaxy, or at least the worlds they were reseeding species on. Of course both scenarios are not true anymore as we know; they survived and are a different race. I think it is a statement of the Forerunners incompetence really. They probably did not have the resources to clean the entire galaxy up, but I would have at least expected the Forerunner buildings on Sanghelios to be taken down, and the Forerunner Dreadnaught removed from the Prophets home world, etc.

Definitely naive… and most definitely careless. Their lack of attention to detail, in a practical sense, is still baffling. It might simply have boiled down to them being an extremely smart collective of beings but they had simply lost touch with basic common sense.

Maybe the Forerunners were so advanced and smart, you can’t even see their plan. Maybe they wanted to test the humans and put them through hardships and build them up.

> One thing you have to take into consideration is that the Forerunner goals never actually went according to plan. I doubt their plan was to make Humans the reclaimers and then not give them anything close which they could reclaim. Mendicant Bias’ betrayal was a huge setback and the entire activation of the Halo array was premature. The Librarian herself had only just finished installing the Portal when all this went down and she was forced to strand herself there, or so was originally believed until Primordium. But we have no idea how long the surviving Forerunner stayed in the Milky Way before leaving and we have no idea what exactly they did besides oversee the reseeding. I’m sure the next Forerunner book will explain this.

I know, it is likely that this premature firing along with MB’s betrayal screwed things up. Still though, even assuming they died, whatever AIs (Presumably?) were in charge of the process could have stripped the worlds they were directly working with of Forerunner technology. With the Forerunners alive it gets harder. But yes, third book.

Although I think I remember now why the Prophets had a Dreadnaught. I think it was one of MB’s that tried to escape. It could have crashed there hundreds of years after the reseeding effort. Likely long after the Forerunners had left that world, if he intended not to be found. Still, doesn’t explain Sanghelios, Te and whatever other worlds there were.

> They did leave us with Geas which would help guide us but for thousands of years the scientific community has been shunned by religions who believed science was blasphemy.

I don’t think they are going to make geas the reason Humanity is fast at progressing. Not only would it undermine that whole theme (general sci-fi theme, albeit) in Halo about Humans being impressively inventive and adaptable, but it undermines free will and sort of invalidates mankinds struggles and achievements. That’s my take on it at least.

I understand the religion thing though, which is why I understand that them hiding their technology from Humanity as well was a wise idea. Humanity ain’t perfect either, and would need time like everyone else to evolve as a society. I would imagine that giant, gleaming Forerunner towers all over Earth would not exactly make the grip of dogma any less tight on society. What probably happened with the Covenant was that they got too much power too soon, and it created societies that thought they had material evidence of gods, making them utterly fanatical to the point where they were willing to wage war on other species if those species had different ideas on how to treat that technology. The same thing could have happened with Humanity.

> As for the Elites and Prophets I don’t know why they were allowed to grow up near Forerunner structures but they were content with simply worshiping the structures and nothing else. It wasn’t until a group of Prophet fundamentalists stole the Dreadnaught and left their planet did things start to change. They fought the Elites and eventually forced them to go against tradition and open up holy relics in order to fight back. Had these events not occurred it’s possible they too wouldn’t have been more advanced because of their refusal to study them. Although I suppose it would have been inevitable that they finally did. Still, crazy religions are unpredictable and more often than not are what ultimately shape a cultures development.

Yeah but the Forerunners could not have known what they would do with them. Perhaps they would just ignore them, perhaps they would build fanatical cults around them in their primitive ignorance or perhaps they would study them and then try to spread those cults throughout the stars, destroying those who resist. Or perhaps we would get lucky and they would not.

The thing with the Elites though is that even though they were not studying Forerunner technology, it still influenced their society in ways that would not have happened had the technology not been there, such as more religiously intense societies based around the treatment and use of these artefacts, which then could still potentiall yput them at odds with the reclaimers. Where it gets bad for Humanity, and where the Forerunners may have failed, is that there was no telling how fast each of the races would evolve, as you said. The Elites and Prophets were probably further along in their development than Humanity when the reseeding took place, as they were already building starships at the same time as the Roman Empire was rising. Even without Forerunner technology to use, had they stumbled across Humanity when it was only just starting to explore Forerunner technology, the Elites or Prophets may have been more advanced on their own accord (A roughly 3000 year time gap between when they developed starships). If they found this weaker Humanity meddling with Forerunner technology, it could have started a war that could have lead to Humanity being destroyed. Basically, it creates the possibility for reasons for war as these alien races might not like others tampering with the technology. The same thing that happened between the Elites and Prophets could have feasibly taken place between a burgeoning Humanity and a much more advanced Prophet or Elite society who could still be religiously devoted to not touching these artifacts.

It is potentially damaging to the Elites and others as well. If they form religions around them, then religious wars are inevitable over how to treat these artifacts. Even without studying Forerunner technology, I imagine that these races would still be capable of wiping each other out. And if they try to assault a more advanced Humanity for the same reasons, then that only hurts them even more. Honestly, the potential for great harm to come from it all was pretty high. I would be surprised if the Forerunners knew about the risks but let them be anyway.

I had never thought of it that way…

But it makes sense. Perhaps they were in a rush with the war against the Flood and what not? That, or they wanted to test their reclaimers. Weak reclaimers wouldn’t be worthy of their technology? Who knows what they were thinking.

> I know, it is likely that this premature firing along with MB’s betrayal screwed things up. Still though, even assuming they died, whatever AIs (Presumably?) were in charge of the process could have stripped the worlds they were directly working with of Forerunner technology. With the Forerunners alive it gets harder. But yes, third book.

Well we don’t know if they created any Monitors to do such a task. The original plan was for them to survive the firing and be able to do all this themselves, but premature activation made that impossible. Those who lived probably didn’t have the resources for such a task.

The Sentinels themselves appear to have the most basic of programming and lack the intelligence to considering these types of questions. They may have just did what they were told: reseed the Galaxy. The moral implications of leaving massive technological structures on Sangheilios was beyond their programming. And what if they did leave an intelligent Monitor to oversee all of this? How long does it take to rid the Galaxy of all your technology? After several thousand years of doing so they may have simply lost track of their own thoughts and wandered off in a state of Rampancy. Or maybe that Alien starship in the CEA terminals was an indication that they were preoccupied with something else and meant they could not complete the task of picking up after themselves.

> I don’t think they are going to make geas the reason Humanity is fast at progressing. Not only would it undermine that whole theme (general sci-fi theme, albeit) in Halo about Humans being impressively inventive and adaptable, but it undermines free will and sort of invalidates mankinds struggles and achievements. That’s my take on it at least.

I wouldn’t say it was the Geas that taught Human scientists the things they learned I would say the Geas was just the thing that made them grow up to be scientists to begin with. It gave them a natural talent or curiosity which set them on that path but their discoveries once they began working was all them. It was all on a subconscious level after all like the Florian’s desire to get past the Cryptums barrier.

> Yeah but the Forerunners could not have known what they would do with them. Perhaps they would just ignore them, perhaps they would build fanatical cults around them in their primitive ignorance or perhaps they would study them and then try to spread those cults throughout the stars, destroying those who resist. Or perhaps we would get lucky and they would not.

I suppose that all depends on what the Sangheili were like before the activation. Guilty Spark’s comment in the 11th terminal to me suggests that he knows who they are and that they have greatly changed since the last time they met. I would really like to see the next novel include them in some fashion. It would be cool to see what their culture was like 100,000 years ago. Perhaps they thought they could handle it or there wasn’t anything there of true value which could influence them? Or it could all come down to just not being able to clean up after crap hit the fan.

I don’t know, there are just too many unknowns. Something major we don’t know about could have happened and prevented them from doing all of this. That strange alien ship for example and all this “Ancient Evil” talk going around could have something to do with it.

I agree it seems foolish, however keep in mind humans advanced technoligically faster during times of strife. WW2 brought on the atomic age. The cold war brought on space travel. After the unification the innies brought on the Spartan 1 project, and the initiation of the Spartan 2s. The resources for these weapons and technology always gets expedited during times of conflict. And it seems humanity has always been this way.

Ancient humans fought the flood before the Forerunners. During that time they seemingly developed a cure (or so they thought?), they also possesed weapons at the time that the Didact said the Forerunner forces had little defense against (I believe this was stated in Cryptum). The Forerunners mastery of SlipSpace, and being able to cut off the humans supplies is what ultimately won the war for them, not to mention the previous fight with the flood left humanities numbers greatly reduced.

So maybe it wasn’t poor planning, but excellent planning on the Forerunners part. They knew humanity needed conflict to advance. And it is hinted at that humans knew of forerunner tech way before the covenant showed up, and lets face it, slipspace travel is pretty advanced, who is to say that wasn’t a reversed engineered forerunner tech. So knowing humanity tends to remain stagnate during times of peace, they leave their own tech in the open for others to use, and only barely use. Humans however can operate all forerunner tech seemingly without any trouble. So the Forerunners make it that Humanity has to advance quickly to defeat their enemies. During this time the Spartan 2s get MJOLNIR armor, and warships get much more powerful weapons. Then humans start integrating and imitating Forerunner tech. Instead of just flat out using Forerunner ships, they integrate and make their own ships. And now they have the infinity, although it isn’t 100 % known what it is capable of, it is agreed it is extremely advanced.