The Faulters of 343 and Halo

TOP SELLING NOVEL COMING THROUGH
(If you think you’ve seen this post before don’t worry you’re not crazy, I want to repost this because my previous one was locked for “not being constructive”, however this time I will try to provide some solutions or positives to make it more “constructive”.)

As many of us know a majority of the Halo community is disgruntled by Halo 5 due to various reasons. However there is also a large amount of people that still defend this game and its developers to the very end and my question to that group of people is simply…why? Why do you guys still stand up for 343 after all they have done to us, after everything they lied about, after everything they promised, after every screw up starting from Halo 4 just …why?

Lets go to the way back machine to 2012 when 343 was supposed to prove their heir to the massive throne that Bungie had left behind. And what did 343 do to “prove” themselves? They said -Yoink- it. They changed so many things about Halo that no one EVER asked for. Why? Well to attract new players of course, That alone shows how unprepared and disorganized the company is. Name one good thing from Halo 4 (besides the weapons) that has stuck into H5, anything come to mind? Of course not because 343 realized they dun goofed and they realized that there was no need for drastic change.(I mean come was there really anybody begging for “kill streaks” and sprint). Ok, but that was just a “project” they stated. Everything was gonna get better and 343 had learned from their mistake…or so we hoped.

Now we go back 2 years and the launch of the BEHEMOTH (as I liked to call it) was supposed to fix all wrong doings that 343 committed with H4. TMCC was supposed to stick with xbox for years, it was supposed to be THE title that everyone was waiting for, the one that no one asked for but all of a sudden everyone needed. It was supposed to skyrocket Xbox to the top of the console war while the PS played catch up. And what did it do?.. Well, It did fly, although it immediately came back down, blew up and killed almost everybody aboard. (I here there are still some survivors left ). The MCC the savior of Xbox…had died? We all wondered how it had happened, how did this holy grail trip over itself and fall flat on its face? You guessed it…the Illuminati…errmm I mean 343 caused it. Again 343 proved that they were incapable of carrying a task. And for those of you who try and even defend this pathetic excuse of a game just stop. No one asked for the MCC we all just wanted a simple Halo 2A, not the ugly and sad abomination currently roaming the internet. 343 stated in their updates that it was very difficult to have all game engines running at once…well who’s fault is that? Again no one asked for this game. There is no one to blame but 343 and their incompetence to create a fully working product.

Now, its 2015 and everyone has picked up H5 expecting to forget about the monstrosity of the MCC. We were all expecting an amazing campaign experience with hardships, excitement and storytelling, due to 343 hyping the hell out of the story from Hunt The Truth, to interviews with the developers, to amazing commercials. . And what do we get? A boring, bare-bones, story with little to no drama. (The most interesting part of the story was listening to a grunts life story) I mean almost everyone disliked the story and for those 5% of people who did like it congrats, you got more for your money than the other 95% of the Halo fanbase.

Alright so the campaign isnt that good, maybe I’ll go and play some forge and see what can be done with the new technology available with the xbo…wait what do you mean forge isnt available? Why is that the case, who’s good idea was that? Hmmmm thats strange let me go play some arena…wait why is there only like five playlists? And where the hell is infection?! Ehh alright I’ll go and play some team arena I guess. 3hrs later Ok I think the game is glitched why is do I only get the same 3 gametypes in team arena (Slayer, Strongholds, and CTF) even though KoTH, Assault, and Oddball are still in the game…WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN THEIR NOT IN THE GAME!? Ok, something is seriously wrong let me relax for a bit by trying out this new (“social”) gametype that 343 has been hyping up for eternity.(Warzone). Ok why am I just being spawn killed is that the whole gametype? Why arent they destroying the core, theyre literally in our base, I thought that was the objective? Why cant I spawn with better weapons, why is the enemy team full of -Yoinks!-, why…? (I think you guys get the point)

Its been half a year since the initial launch and we are still begging for more game types, a social playlist, more maps, more everything. And keep in mind we’re not asking for the next biggest thing since sliced bread. NO, that is not the case we’re begging, and pleading, for seemingly simple things to be added. Like seriously who ever though that we would need to ask for color options, or post game carnage reports. How is this acceptable in any way, shape, fashion, or form?! It’s not damn it! And the fact that people still defend 343 is baffling.

Yeah not everything about H5 is bad in fact there are a lot of good things added (or brought back). I love the fact that there are official Spartan Companies now, I hate the fact that these companies take pleasure in spawn killing. I love the idea of Warzone, I hate how poorly it was planned out, I love that 343 is adding in new features every month, I DESPISE that some of these features should’ve been in here from the start.

Now what are some solutions you might ask? Well in reality there are endless possibilities for what could be considered a solution, however I will provide my own based on responses seen from the Halo community and some personal opinions. A drastic solution for the campaign would be to fire Brian Reed, however I think that might be pushing it, a more realistic solution would be to look back at previous campaigns, find out what made them so enjoyable (the endless action, open world, enticing landscapes and amazing storytelling) and implement everything possible into the new campaign. The biggest issue though that needs fixing is the multiplayer. Now a solution to this would be to let the game naturally evolve, and not force it. What I mean by this is don’t add a bunch of mechanics that no one asks for, instead take some ideas from the community and slowly implement them into every iteration of the game. If they don’t work then don’t worry it will be gone by the time the next game in the franchise rolls out, if they do work then keep them, build up upon it until all the creativity from the idea has been sucked dry, and then rinse and repeat. Again there are an infinite amount however I’m sure nothing will develop if we don’t speak up

And with all of that being said I say this to all dedicated Halo fans that have been here since the beginning or have just started there journey. Halo 6 will either be the the hump that broke the camels back or it will be a sign of hope for all fans of the series that good change is abroad. And it all starts with us. We are the ones that decide the future of the game and if people don’t complain nothing will change. We need to let 343 and Microsoft know that we are tired of the neglect. If everyone keeps quiet history will repeat itself.

Plz dont ban my post moderators :,(

I could swear this has been posted before…

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This isn’t Deja Vu, I know I’ve seen this thread before.

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> I could swear this has been posted before…

I wonder why? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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For those of you guys that didn’t bother to read the beginning part, I suggest you do.

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Also another possible solution to the multiplayer issue would be to add a more classic playlists with 343 dedicated maps with every version of Halo, that way you can retain older fans while not interrupting the enjoyment of newer fans of the series that have become accustomed to the H4-H5 style of gameplay

You can fill an ocean with that salt.

I wonder if it really is a LARGE amount of the communty that is upset with the game. For that matter, i wonder what % of gamers that play Halo 5 even come on the forums to voice an opinion at all. I mean, there seems to be a decent player count so I find it hard to believe that MOST people are haters…

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> I wonder if it really is a LARGE amount of the communty that is upset with the game. For that matter, i wonder what % of gamers that play Halo 5 even come on the forums to voice an opinion at all. I mean, there seems to be a decent player count so I find it hard to believe that MOST people are haters…

Very very few come on to waypoint to voice their opinion. You can’t form any type of conclusion for the game from waypoint post.

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It got locked before, it will get locked again.

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> I wonder if it really is a LARGE amount of the communty that is upset with the game. For that matter, i wonder what % of gamers that play Halo 5 even come on the forums to voice an opinion at all. I mean, there seems to be a decent player count so I find it hard to believe that MOST people are haters…

  • Why are you wondering isnt it obvious? Halo 5 was reportedly the worst selling game in the franchise and the fact that 343 hid the population counter further supports this theory. The game doesnt even have 100k players on its peak days anymore.

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We have no evidence of sales. We don’t know digital sales (there are reports that it was the fastest selling digital game) and too many misleading sale figures out there. I even made a thread about how we should stop pretending we know the Halo 5 sales.

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Still though the fact that this game his under 100k players is kinda of a major sign that many players aren’t happy with the changes found, especially because the game hasnt even been out for a year yet as where previous installments survived with 100k+ anywhere from 2-4 years into their respective lifespan.

My man you need to have constructive feedback. You can’t just complain even if there are big things that need to change with Halo.

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> My man you need to have constructive feedback. You can’t just complain even if there are big things that need to change with Halo.

Actually I added a whole paragraph of feedback compared to my original post, and on top of that I added another suggestion found in the comments above.

A good number of you are asking for the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Fact of the matter is, we were told what was and wasn’t going to be in the game at launch. We were told BTB & Forge was delayed, we were told what gametypes and what maps were released for Warzone and Arena.

Best part? If 343i released something that should have been delayed, you would want their heads on a plate for it (prime example, MCC). But once they delay something in order to make it work, you complain and want it NOW.

Basically, if you were unhappy with what you got, you shouldn’t have bought it in the first place. If you were hesitant with your decision, wait until after the game was released to get opinions.

All you’re doing is telling 343i that you’re okay with it, since you bought the game anyway.

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We were told what we were getting in a community update, like seriously how many people actually reads those?

Most of us bought the game because we wanted a Halo to play with on the next generation seeing as how the MCC flopped, we also bought the bait because we fell for the hype 343 put out with their misleading advertiesment campaign.

They didn’t delay the game is the problem, in fact they did the same thing twice in a row by releasing a half finished game.They gave us just enough to warrant a finished product and the end result was a barebones game. I would much rather prefer that the game to be released this year with everything available at launch including all the DLC . Then they build upon it by actually adding new DLC instead of trying to fill the gaps they left behind by releasing the game early because lets be honest all this “DLC” should’ve been present at launch. They even stated in interviews that more maps were supposed to present at launch, and I’m sure they had more things in mind to add later on such as gametypes and more actual DLC.

Why do you think we are asking for so much? Really all of the stuff we’re asking for is pathetic, why must a game devolve in content when there is better hardware available to the developers? Shouldn’t that mean we get more content that previous installments, or am I just crazy? How do you guys not see a problem in this like seriously do you like getting the lowest amount possible for your money?

If so then hit me up I have some stuff I’d like to sell to you guys.

Seriously though I want a valid reason for defending 343 besides the fact that they produce Halo games.

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