The fate of H5 lies on the BTB experience.

This year Halo 5 is going to have a quite a tough time trying to keep it’s player base for more than just a couple months trying to contend with This years Cod and especially Star Wars Battlefront. I think it’s pretty safe to say the majority of casual players who like a game like Halo would also probably like a game like Battlefront. Even for me (I’m a pretty restricted player who plays solely halo over 95% of the time) this new Battlefront is probably the most excited I’ve ever been for a game besides Halo and I can Think I can speak the same for lots of other people as well there. I have very fond memories of playing 4 player split-screen on Battlefront 2 with friends back on the original Xbox and can’t wait to get the new Battlefront.

And This here is a problem for Halo 5. Now for me personally, I’m extremely dedicated to Halo so I’ll keep coming back to H5 and play it regularly, but for the average casual gamer once they’ve completed the campaign once or twice they’re just going to hop on matchmaking for a couple games and get bored and move on to Cod/Battlefront. Or if the experience they have is good enough they could get hooked on the new multiplayer experience that keeps them coming back again and again. After H4’s campaign and seeing a glimpse at H5’s arena mulitplayer I’m going to go out on a limb and say that both these areas of H5 are going to do just fine and not have any problems, but what about BTB?

All you MLG tryhards might hate to hear it, but your the minority. The majority of Halo players are casuals. They don’t care about all these hardcore settings, they just want to have fun. And what gives the average casual player the most fun? Vehicular gameplay. BTB. Looking back at all the previous Halo populations we could see that BTB was always in the top 2 for playlist populations.

If you remember back to prior each games BTB reveal there were always tons of requests for bigger battle, drivable pelicans/phantoms and even scarabs. And each game we were left without these features, just playing it safe with a 16 player max and a couple new vehicles. This has to stop now, heck this new generation is suppose to do something isn’t it?

Now I just want you to imagine this for a second… It’s E3 and Frank O Connor walks on stage, the lights dim and he proceeds to talk. “Today we are excited to reveal this new first look at the Halo 5 BTB experience.” It cuts to a new ginormous map with amazing graphics and you hear Jeff Steitzer announcing “Invasion! Storm the elite Blockade and neutralize the AA turrets to initiate Phase two!” Then you see yourself loading up on to a small UNSC Frigate bay with 15-31 other spartans and get to ride Pelicans laden with warthogs into battle, or Take an ODST Pod down to the surface. Then huge epic scale Warfare ensues and after destroying the AA turrets you move on to fight and take down a scarab (or two) and then finally move on to destroy the covenant facility with a havoc nuke.

Now after that I want you to imagine this… It’s E3 and Frank O Connor walks on stage, the lights dim and he proceeds to talk. “Today we are excited to reveal this new first look at the Halo 5 BTB experience.” It cuts to a new simple symmetric map with amazing graphics and you spawn in normally and from there you proceed to watch a standard 16 player Slayer game with one or two new vehicles.

Now I don’t know about you guys, but to me the former sounds a lot more interesting than the latter, and this will also be true for the majority of casuals. Halo 5 needs a new, innovative BTB experience if it wants to compete with other games for a larger player base. If Halo 5 does indeed continue with the same 16 player max count that we have always had, People won’t be very interested in it and just move to other better vehicular experiences such as Battlefront.

We need a BTB experience that will keep players coming back, and quite bluntly gamers like bigger experiences. I know Personally if does H5 does only have a 16 player max count I will be pretty disappointed.

Indeed,with the “new gen”, they have to take risks to put Halo in a new generation.

Yeah…this all sounds great, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

If 343 are really listening to their fans as much as they say they are, this is bound to come along at some point.

  1. Don’t set some expectation for btb. You’ll be dissappointed if it doesn’t.
  2. The fate of halo doesn’t rest on a gametype.
  3. Just wait and see, by the way they’re talking in their interviews there is something big coming in this game.
  4. Just have faith man. 343 made a great beta that was a return to old arena style halo, I’m sure they’ll do fine with btb.

Also, I’m sure Frankie wouldn’t come out and say “here’s the new BTB experience” at e3 and it just be the same. If it’s going to be presented at the conference then it’s going to be big.

Oh far you have fallen Halo. I remember when Halo 2 was up against Battlefront. Battlefront was amazing, but H2 was even better.

Now, Halo 5 is no match for battlefront.

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> Oh far you have fallen Halo. I remember when Halo 2 was up against Battlefront. Battlefront was amazing, but H2 was even better.
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> Now, Halo 5 is no match for battlefront.

I mean, how do you know that? We haven’t even seen the new Battlefront.

So let’s compare big explosions and exciting words to a description of the original stuff being “standard”

Of course when you describe something in the best possible manner, it’s going to sound amazing compared to “standard” game play.

Think of your new experience like this…

You load up into a Pelican, with 15 other team mates, your pilot is flying, but he can barely get it off the ground. Finally you take to the skies, but it took so long, the other team has advanced to your position with heavy weapons, lasers, rockets, hydras, and they bombard the Pelican with whatever fire they have at their disposal… Half your team dies inside the Pelican from all the damage taken and your pilot still barely has any idea how to fly. The objective is to take out the AA guns, so he flies strait at them. The AA guns lock onto the Pelican, shoot at it, the pilot can’t maneuver because he still doesn’t know how to fly very well, and the Pelican explodes killing everyone left inside.

That’s how I see the BTB you describe going, because so many casuals, as you call them, don’t learn how to be the most effective at a game. There are many who play the campaign and move on. There are many who just want to try to fly, but don’t really know how, but take the pilots seat anyways. If the pelican were to load up with the full 16 people, that leaves about 12 or 13 other people inside who don’t get to partake in anything and are completely dependent on the pilot, who might not even know how to fly. It’s a recipe for disaster when it comes to everyone having fun. The opposing team will have a field day, spawn camp the hell out of team who just lost 16 players, and now the losing team will start to quit, thus ruining the whole game for everyone else.

Your proposed scenario sounds cool, but it’s not realistic. You are going to be disappointed when you come to find out the “Big News” is just something along the lines of new vehicles or a new aspect where it’s H4 all over again, or there are classes to choose, and there is no Invasion because people can’t play as Elites or something along those lines.

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If it’s anything like old Battlefront, Halo is going to get it’s -Yoink- stomped by it.

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> If it’s anything like old Battlefront, Halo is going to get it’s -Yoink- stomped by it.

Can’t say it’ll be like the old ones but it’ll be pretty similar to Battlefield, which is not a casual game. While I predict the gameplay to be top noch in Battlefront, I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem for Halo

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> Can’t say it’ll be like the old ones but it’ll be pretty similar to Battlefield, which is not a casual game. While I predict the gameplay to be top noch in Battlefront, I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem for Halo

Everything is a problem for CODified halo. H4 couldn’t even stay in the XBL top 10.

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Why would it be similar to Battlefield?

Battlefront is made by different developers. Sure they are both under EA, but that doesn’t mean the games are going to be the same.

Battlefront also has ground to space battles, I don’t see any of that in Battlefield. Halo is going to get stomped by it. Halo: Advanced Hardline stands no chance.

Halo and Battlefront are two totally different shooters. Don’t compare the two.

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> > > > > Oh far you have fallen Halo. I remember when Halo 2 was up against Battlefront. Battlefront was amazing, but H2 was even better.
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> Battlefront is made by different developers. Sure they are both under EA, but that doesn’t mean the games are going to be the same.
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> Battlefront also has ground to space battles, I don’t see any of that in Battlefield. Halo is going to get stomped by it. Halo: Advanced Hardline stands no chance.

The new Halo isn’t anything like COD or Hardline so reconsider that name again. Might I make a suggestion? I’m going to call it: Halo 5: Guardians.

You sir have all the best ideas. Can you become the new 343 CEO? Please!!!

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> So let’s compare big explosions and exciting words to a description of the original stuff being “standard”
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> Of course when you describe something in the best possible manner, it’s going to sound amazing compared to “standard” game play.
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> Think of your new experience like this…
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> You load up into a Pelican, with 15 other team mates, your pilot is flying, but he can barely get it off the ground. Finally you take to the skies, but it took so long, the other team has advanced to your position with heavy weapons, lasers, rockets, hydras, and they bombard the Pelican with whatever fire they have at their disposal… Half your team dies inside the Pelican from all the damage taken and your pilot still barely has any idea how to fly. The objective is to take out the AA guns, so he flies strait at them. The AA guns lock onto the Pelican, shoot at it, the pilot can’t maneuver because he still doesn’t know how to fly very well, and the Pelican explodes killing everyone left inside.
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> That’s how I see the BTB you describe going, because so many casuals, as you call them, don’t learn how to be the most effective at a game. There are many who play the campaign and move on. There are many who just want to try to fly, but don’t really know how, but take the pilots seat anyways. If the pelican were to load up with the full 16 people, that leaves about 12 or 13 other people inside who don’t get to partake in anything and are completely dependent on the pilot, who might not even know how to fly. It’s a recipe for disaster when it comes to everyone having fun. The opposing team will have a field day, spawn camp the hell out of team who just lost 16 players, and now the losing team will start to quit, thus ruining the whole game for everyone else.
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> Your proposed scenario sounds cool, but it’s not realistic. You are going to be disappointed when you come to find out the “Big News” is just something along the lines of new vehicles or a new aspect where it’s H4 all over again, or there are classes to choose, and there is no Invasion because people can’t play as Elites or something along those lines.

AI piloy maybe and have it be fast enough. its basicly another re spawn so the elites could have one as well

  1. Battlefront =/= Halo. they aren’t even the same POV. THough battlefront looks like it could be awesome.

  2. “tryhards” has to be the dumbest slur in all of gaming. It’s what people say when they get rocked by players who are much better than them and don’t want to simply admit they got beat. Honestly it’s self deprecating to those who use it. like “trying harder” is a bad thing??

  3. Now, for me personally I’m not a fan of BTB and vehicular combat in general. For me, whatever 343 does or doesn’t do with BTB is going to make 0 difference in my perceptions of the game. I find BTB to be a total snooze-fest. I also don’t think that what happens with only one playlist is going to make or break the game.

That being said…

  1. I AGREE WITH YOU! 343 better bring it big time with BTB! I’m not really going to play it, but i know a lot of people who will. And the people who play it almost exclusively, make up a large portion of the overall MP population. Op is right, the playlist population is usually Team Slayer, then BTB as #1 and 2. Those people want epic scale and big numbers. Now that we are on dedicated servers, you can’t use processing overhead on the host as an excuse. I don’t think they need to scale up to 64-player battles, but 24 or 32 would be a step up and make a lot of players happy.

I don’t want to get my hopes up since I might be disappointed, but given how 343 has been teasing about a bigger MP experience, I’d expect an expansion of scale, if not player count.

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> > > > > > Oh far you have fallen Halo. I remember when Halo 2 was up against Battlefront. Battlefront was amazing, but H2 was even better.
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> > > > > > Now, Halo 5 is no match for battlefront.
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> > > > > I mean, how do you know that? We haven’t even seen the new Battlefront.
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> > > > If it’s anything like old Battlefront, Halo is going to get it’s -Yoink- stomped by it.
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> > > Can’t say it’ll be like the old ones but it’ll be pretty similar to Battlefield, which is not a casual game. While I predict the gameplay to be top noch in Battlefront, I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem for Halo
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> > Battlefront is made by different developers. Sure they are both under EA, but that doesn’t mean the games are going to be the same.
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> > Battlefront also has ground to space battles, I don’t see any of that in Battlefield. Halo is going to get stomped by it. Halo: Advanced Hardline stands no chance.
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> The new Halo isn’t anything like COD or Hardline so reconsider that name again. Might I make a suggestion? I’m going to call it: Halo 5: Guardians.

It’s nothing like it? That’s why people have drawn so many comparisons. Either you are blinded by your love for Halo so much that you feel it’s blasphemy to find any sort of comparisons between Halo and other games, or you don’t have the mental capacity to find similarities between two games where you sprint around, aim down the sights of your guns, and shoot at enemies.

So here is the other name I’ll give it… Destiny 5: Call of Battlefield because all of those games operate the exact same minus the skin of the game and what engine they use.