The FACTS speak for themselves

These “facts” are the figures that I came up with from my research.

Halo 3:
End of 2007(when Halo 3 was released) - 4,244,324 copies sold.
Xbox 360’s sold - 10.9 million
so about 38.9% of all xbox 360 owners had a copy of Halo 3

Halo 4:
To date - 4,975,962
Xbox 360’s sold - 57.8 Million
So about 8.6% of all 360 owners have a copy of halo 4

Halo 4 should have sold 22,484,200 copies to have sold as well as Halo 3
Halo 3 is all the best game on the 360 according to sales with 14.5 Million copies sold total.

Using the to date statistics for Halo 3:
Halo 3 is owned by 25.08% of all 360 owners
So Halo 4 would have to sell about 9.5 million copies to catch up to Halo 3

In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000
Halo 4 as of march 15th 2013 had a population of 56,663
Thats about 11% of Halo 3’s population
3.4% of Halo 3’s population was online
1.13% of Halo 4’s population was online

Halo 3 has a better precentage of players still playing after 4 years than Halo 4 had 5 months after release.

Sales a population all show that Halo 3 was better than Halo 4.
If Halo 4 was better than Halo 3, there would be a larger population precentage after 5 months than Halo 3 had after 4 years.

There’s one problem with the numbers themselves though. The number of xboxs sold is horrible skewed by how many people had to replace xboxs for various reasons. I don’t think it would be possible to get a number of xboxs in use at those times though.

That being said I’m not a fan of 4, even compared to 3 which made me put down the serious until this one. Got that buyers remorse as well.

I’ve gone through 3 Xbox 360’s…

> These “facts” are the figures that I came up with from my research.
>
> Halo 3:
> End of 2007(when Halo 3 was released) - 4,244,324 copies sold.
> Xbox 360’s sold - 10.9 million
> so about 38.9% of all xbox 360 owners had a copy of Halo 3
>
> Halo 4:
> To date - 4,975,962
> Xbox 360’s sold - 57.8 Million
> So about 8.6% of all 360 owners have a copy of halo 4
>
> Halo 4 should have sold 22,484,200 copies to have sold as well as Halo 3
> Halo 3 is all the best game on the 360 according to sales with 14.5 Million copies sold total.

Or…

There really aren’t many more Halo Fans then there were in 2007.
Which is a clear possibility.

May I please get the source you used for the sales numbers of Halo 3 and 4? I know that Halo 3 is not the best selling game on the 360, Kinect Adventures and MW3, MW2, and Black Ops sold more copies.

Who -Yoinking!- cares which game got played more. Just play the game if you like it, and don’t play if you don’t. Why is this argument still happening? What’s the point?

> In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000

That is a flat out made up number. A year after Reach came out I doubt Halo 3 had an average of 15,000. I never quit playing Halo 3 and I would always look at the playlist populations until they quit updating.

I have bought 4 360’s and 3 copies of Halo 3 and 2 of ODST.

I have had 3 Xbox 360’s. Your “facts” aren’t very factual and use a lot of bad logic in your post.

I’m still not sure what you were eve trying to accomplish here. At first it seemed like you were defending Halo 4, and then it seemed like you were bashing it. I really don’t understand the point of this waste of space thread.

> These “facts” are the figures that I came up with from my research.
>
> Halo 3:
> End of 2007(when Halo 3 was released) - 4,244,324 copies sold.
> Xbox 360’s sold - 10.9 million
> so about 38.9% of all xbox 360 owners had a copy of Halo 3
>
> Halo 4:
> To date - 4,975,962
> Xbox 360’s sold - 57.8 Million
> So about 8.6% of all 360 owners have a copy of halo 4

<mark>Actually, to date Halo 4 has sold 7.8 million and at the time of Halo 4’s release 71 million consoles had been sold world wide</mark>

> In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000

<mark>No it didn’t. In 2010 (before Reach was released) It often had 500,000 (give or take) unique users in a 24 hour period and a peak time active population of around 100,000 - 150,000</mark>
<mark>After reach was released, the 24hr UU count dropped from 500,000 to under 150,000. Im not sure about the active population after reach was released because as far as I know there aren’t any recorded stats available.</mark>

> I’ve gone through 3 Xbox 360’s…

I own 3 xbox 360’s (and they all work) as well as 3 copies of Halo 3… no split screen for me, ever :slight_smile:

> There’s one problem with the numbers themselves though. The number of xboxs sold is horrible skewed by how many people had to replace xboxs for various reasons. I don’t think it would be possible to get a number of xboxs in use at those times though.
>
> That being said I’m not a fan of 4, even compared to 3 which made me put down the serious until this one. Got that buyers remorse as well.

I also used only the xboxs sold in the US

> May I please get the source you used for the sales numbers of Halo 3 and 4? I know that Halo 3 is not the best selling game on the 360, Kinect Adventures and MW3, MW2, and Black Ops sold more copies.

All of the CoD games sold on 2 platforms so MW3, MW2, or BO didn’t sell more 360 copies. Kinect Adventures however did outsell it, my mistake, however that was probably due to it coming with the kinects so when people bought those they got Kinect Adventures, I have it because my new 360 came with a Kinect also giving me the game. More peope still willingly chose Halo 3 over kinect adventures.

> > In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000
>
> That is a flat out made up number. A year after Reach came out <mark>I doubt Halo 3 had an average of 15,000</mark>. I never quit playing Halo 3 and I would always look at the playlist populations until they quit updating.
>
>
> I have bought 4 360’s and 3 copies of Halo 3 and 2 of ODST.

Halo 3 had a population of 36,000 a month before Halo 4 and many months before that.

Not all of these “FACTS” are facts…

You can`t really compare those numbers. It has already being said here, the number of xboxes sold does not represent the numbers of the actual users, due to broken xboxes for instance. So what you need is the actual number of xbox users.

But even if you d know these numbers, they still would mean very much. And that is because you dont know what the “profiles” of those users are. in the last 5 or six years kinect came up, video-on-demand became big and so on, so you have a lot more casual players or people you just use the xbox as a media station. Those people wouldn`t have bought halo in the first place.

So,the problem is, that the average xbox user of 2007 is different to the average xbox user in 2013 and this makes comparing those numbers useless.

LOL you fail hard, OP.

> > There’s one problem with the numbers themselves though. The number of xboxs sold is horrible skewed by how many people had to replace xboxs for various reasons. I don’t think it would be possible to get a number of xboxs in use at those times though.
> >
> > That being said I’m not a fan of 4, even compared to 3 which made me put down the serious until this one. Got that buyers remorse as well.
>
> I also used only the xboxs sold in the US

But let me guess, you used the total Halo 3 sales number worldwide? Yeah. That’s fair.

do your facts also take into account other triple AAA FPS games on the market?

do your facts also include how many of those people only bought halo for the campaign?

do your facts also include people that no longer have xboxs?

do your facts also include the fact that the video game industry is not as strong as when halo 3 was out?

> These “facts” are the figures that I came up with from my research.
>
> Halo 3:
> End of 2007(when Halo 3 was released) - 4,244,324 copies sold.
> Xbox 360’s sold - 10.9 million
> so about 38.9% of all xbox 360 owners had a copy of Halo 3
>
> Halo 4:
> To date - 4,975,962
> Xbox 360’s sold - 57.8 Million
> So about 8.6% of all 360 owners have a copy of halo 4
>
> Halo 4 should have sold 22,484,200 copies to have sold as well as Halo 3
> Halo 3 is all the best game on the 360 according to sales with 14.5 Million copies sold total.
>
> Using the to date statistics for Halo 3:
> Halo 3 is owned by 25.08% of all 360 owners
> So Halo 4 would have to sell about 9.5 million copies to catch up to Halo 3
>
> In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000
> Halo 4 as of march 15th 2013 had a population of 56,663
> Thats about 11% of Halo 3’s population
> 3.4% of Halo 3’s population was online
> 1.13% of Halo 4’s population was online
>
> Halo 3 has a better precentage of players still playing after 4 years than Halo 4 had 5 months after release.
>
> Sales a population all show that Halo 3 was better than Halo 4.
> If Halo 4 was better than Halo 3, there would be a larger population precentage after 5 months than Halo 3 had after 4 years.

a pretty sad stats :confused: well, i keep playing all Halo games :slight_smile: Had 10 games with H3 yesterday (pretty fun!) still thinks H4 is a very good game :slight_smile: but yea, H3 was the gold age in Halo.

> These “facts” are the figures that I came up with from my research.
>
> Halo 3:
> End of 2007(when Halo 3 was released) - 4,244,324 copies sold.
> Xbox 360’s sold - 10.9 million
> so about 38.9% of all xbox 360 owners had a copy of Halo 3
>
> Halo 4:
> To date - 4,975,962
> Xbox 360’s sold - 57.8 Million
> So about 8.6% of all 360 owners have a copy of halo 4
>
> Halo 4 should have sold 22,484,200 copies to have sold as well as Halo 3
> Halo 3 is all the best game on the 360 according to sales with 14.5 Million copies sold total.
>
> Using the to date statistics for Halo 3:
> Halo 3 is owned by 25.08% of all 360 owners
> So Halo 4 would have to sell about 9.5 million copies to catch up to Halo 3
>
> In 2011 Halo 3 often had a population of about 500,000
> Halo 4 as of march 15th 2013 had a population of 56,663
> Thats about 11% of Halo 3’s population
> 3.4% of Halo 3’s population was online
> 1.13% of Halo 4’s population was online
>
> Halo 3 has a better precentage of players still playing after 4 years than Halo 4 had 5 months after release.
>
> <mark>Sales a population all show that Halo 3 was better than Halo 4.</mark>
> <mark>If Halo 4 was better than Halo 3, there would be a larger population precentage after 5 months than Halo 3 had after 4 years.</mark>

Hey look, someone trying to make an opinion a fact. Well, lets add onto the factors of this.

-Halo 3 was supposedly the last Halo game known at the time so it was hyped all to hell, more then Halo 4.
-Reach divided the community and drove many of them off.
-343 taking control drove off people who thought only Bungie could make a good Halo
-The information 343 released on Halo 4 before release drove people off.
-Halo 2 was really popular, so a lot of people were also talking to their friends and telling them about Halo 3 convincing them to buy it. Didn’t see that with Reach.

If anything, I’m surprised Halo 4 got as many sells as it did seeing how the odds were against them.