Where did they get a Pelican?
How did they even get back? Pelicans have no slipspace drive.
Where the hell is the rest of Blue and and Osiris? You see a shot of the back of the pelican and no one is in there. Only 2 people can fit in the front.
Also why didn’t Cortana just send out the guardian with Blue Team first? Why wait for it to be the last one?
…My friend, the whole game barely makes any sense. The ending is just the cherry on top.
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> …My friend, the whole game barely makes any sense. The ending is just the cherry on top.
Yeah… sadly these words are so true…
Stand alone Halo 5 would have made a fun game worthy of playing and enjoying. But as a halo game there was so much wasted potential and unnecessary plot developments. I don’t understand how the writing team arrived at the script they did. I know they are capable of so much more…why under perform with their flagship?
Maybe the writing team had so much they wanted to do but just didn’t know where to begin or end? That being said, why would you hire a writing team like that in the first place?
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Maybe the Tart Cart from Kilo-5 got sucked up in on the Guardins slipspace jumps? I doubt but I guess another Pelican with slipspace could be possible.
By the Gods. People aren’t even trying anymore.
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> Where did they get a Pelican?
Uh… you didn’t see all the Pelicans, Scorpions, Wraiths, Phantoms, Marines and Covenant Soldiers that ended up on Genesis when the Guardians had jumped there? They probably picked up one of the many scattered around the surface of Genesis.
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> How did they even get back? Pelicans have no slipspace drive.
No but they’re on a Forerunner planet and allied with that planet’s Monitor. She probably opened a portal for them, since Osiris helped her reestablish control over the facility.
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> Where the hell is the rest of Blue and and Osiris?
Perhaps in another Pelican or regrouped somewhere else? Maybe even still on Genesis. With Cortana’s Guardians now deployed throughout known space, it’s probably pretty dangerous to travel and so John and Locke chose to take a trip to Sanghelios alone. Wouldn’t want both teams to be killed because they were cooped up in a single drop ship right? Plus if they were there to pick up Halsey, Palmer and the Arbiter then the rest of Blue and Osiris would take up space in the Pelican. Space that would be better used for storing more Elites and equipment they can take from Sanghelios.
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> Also why didn’t Cortana just send out the guardian with Blue Team first? Why wait for it to be the last one?
Well I don’t know what it takes to prep a Guardian for launch, but from what we see in the game it does apparently take a long time to get them going. Now consider the fact that Cortana had to prep a Cryptum to preserve four humans for 10,000 years and then get it ready for the Guardian to transport it, she probably began deploying the others first because it was going to take hers longer to get ready. Why have the others just sitting around doing nothing while she gets hers ready, when they could already be deployed?
Pretty sure Pelicans are are not slip space shielded. The question of how they got back is still valid. There is a massive detail they failed to explain. Unlike John hitching a ride on the didacts ship via slip space. John and Locke are back on sanghilios with the implication genesis was pelican flight away or forerunner has become so advanced just for the convenience of the plot, when did forerunner teleportation become system to system vs local. I create more question. 45secs dialog on exposition is missing do you agree or disagree.
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Thank you. I am confident that the pelican had a slipspace drive. We’re not in 2550 anymore people! Get with the times! 2558!!
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> Pretty sure Pelicans are are not slip space shielded. The question of how they got back is still valid. There is a massive detail they failed to explain. Unlike John hitching a ride on the didacts ship via slip space.
No it’s not because the two examples are completely different circumstances. The Chief and the Broadsword were stowaways, hitching a ride where they weren’t welcomed. Chief and the Pelican on the other hand could be assisted by 031 Exuberant Witness because she is actively helping them.
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I don’t believe so. No time stamp was given to establish a definitive passage of time.
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It’s not a convenience of plot. It’s been well established that the Forerunner have had a better understanding of Slipspace for sometime now. Even when humans were Tier 1, the Forerunner were more advanced when it came to their understanding of Slipspace, so this isn’t some random idea popped out of nowhere.
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That sure is a lot of assumptions and leaps you have to make there just to explain one tiny part of Halo 5’s story.
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> That sure is a lot of assumptions and leaps you have to make there just to explain one tiny part of Halo 5’s story.
This is the same problem I have. There is only so much you can leave to assumption before it just becomes ridiculous - and ‘Halo 5’ absolutely crossed that line.
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> That sure is a lot of assumptions and leaps you have to make there just to explain one tiny part of Halo 5’s story.
Is there anyway you can you disprove them? That’s the problem that I’m having with people around here. It’s as if you all need your exposition spoon fed to you because if they don’t come right out and explain something, then you’re completely incapable of using your imagination in order to piece together a logical explanation on your own. At least I look at a situation and try to understand it, instead of jumping on the “durrr it’s a plot hole” bandwagon. I mean I’m not saying that that is the proper canon explanation or anything, but are any of my ideas illogical? Can you seriously tell me you have no idea where the Pelican came from when we see them scattered around Genesis along with other pieces of technology like Wraiths, Phantoms and a Scorpion? There is dialog that says technology from various worlds have been pulled in with the Guardians and we do see this technology scattered around the levels we play in, so I ask again: Do you honestly need 343i to come in here and explain to you where the damn Pelican came from?
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Of course I can’t disprove them because you made the explanation up, and that is sort of my point. You had to write several paragraphs worth of speculation and theory just to explain how Chief and Locke got from point A to point B. That’s bad story telling. I’m not saying everything needs to be explained, but there are limits to how much the viewer should have to explain themselves. For example, if they had arrived there in a ship, we could logically assume they come back in it. However, we are given almost nothing to go on to explain their return. The only way in which it was possible to get to Genesis was by hitching a ride with a Guardian, and they all left. On top of that, they have no idea where Genesis is, and thus, have no idea how to get home. Sure, we can assume a Pelican was lying around, but Pelicans don’t have slip-space generators (in the games at least), and Exuberant witness never gave any indication she had even local warping abilities (if she did, why wouldn’t she have warped Osiris to Blue team/Cortana?) let alone the ability to facilitate interstellar travel (no Monitor has ever shown that ability). Sure, we can make a leap and say the Forerunner facility had some kind of warping technology, but it seems unlikely. The only time we’ve seen Forerunner tech that could transport things large distances was the portal to the Ark, and it was massive and had a specific purpose. If Genesis had this kind of tech why were the Guardians the only way to get there? Again, you can say “oh, well maybe the portal was hidden or something” and you might be right, but the my point is look how far we have to discuss this just to explain such a tiny thing. Heck, I haven’t even talked about where the rest of Blue team and Osiris are. Am I supposed to assume they found two warp capable Pelicans?
Long story short, yes, you can explain how they got back, but it requires way too many leaps and assumptions on the part of the viewer, and that is bad writing, plain and simple.
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That’s not what I mean. Of course I officially made them up, but I did so based on what I saw in the game. They asked where the Pelican came from. Pelicans are seen scattered throughout Genesis in the game. I say they probably took one of those. Now how exactly is that a “leap”? Is my response, based on the visual evidence, not logical enough for you?
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Actually I didn’t have to do it. These questions are so extremely insignificant to the overall plot that it seems like people are trying to find plot holes where none exist. People really shouldn’t need 343i to come in here and spoon feed them information, when someone with logical reasoning should be able to look at what’s been given to them and figure it out for themselves.
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That’s because they didn’t know where the Guardians took the Chief. That’s why they hitched a ride. When they first got to Genesis they had no idea where they were or if they were in the right place. Once they figured out they were in the right place, it shouldn’t have been too hard to figure out where they were later on.
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Another logic flaw. Is it really that hard to consider that maybe, just maybe, 031 Exuberant Witness has a map of the local systems? Just about every installation we’ve seen has had a map room or “Silent Cartographer”. Why assume they couldn’t possibly find one on Genesis? You really think Exuberant Witness doesn’t know where her planet is located? Guilty Spark knew where his Ring was.
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Wrong. Cortana translocates Blue Team closer to her position at the end of “Genesis”.
“Oh no. She should not have brought them so close to her. This will push the Warden past all restraint.” - Exuberant
The reason why Exuberant didn’t do this herself is because she was locked out of the system by the Warden and Cortana.
“No. Between Warden and Cortana, most of my administration privileges have been revoked. But worry not! I still have control over some aspects of this facility.” - Exuberant
Considering she doesn’t use translocation technology, but Cortana does, it would be logical to assume this is not one of the systems she had access too. However, Osiris later helps Exuberant regain control of the facility at the end of the game. And when do we see Chief and Locke leave on a Pelican? At the end of the game.
Again, where is the so called “leap” here?
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That’s not entirely true. We saw 859 Static Carillon leave the Composer’s Forge and travel to Installation 03. We then saw Carillon assume control of Installation 03 and move the entire ring to an unknown location. Now I doubt Exuberant Witness moved all of Genesis or something, but why is it hard to believe that Exuberant Witness might have the same ability to travel that Static Carillon had? Because there is no indication she does? Well there is no indication she doesn’t, so I don’t consider it a “leap” to assume she does because we see the Chief manage to leave Genesis.
I agree with Nihilus.
There are a million and one possibilities as to how they got off Genesis, Pelican or no Pelican. Why people are so befuddled over this makes no logical sense. That’s not a plot hole. That’s failing to see that them taking a space ride is irrelevant to the plot. I can tell you that seeing a ship with a slipspace drive being given to them by Exuberant would not really change the plot… at all.
Same with many nitpicks - “Why do all the SoS Sangheili have the same armor?” “Why do they have the Mdama Covenant’s physiology?” These were explained, actually, in a thread in response to the Elite reveal early on in H5’s dev, where Grim straight up told us: developmental constraints meant they couldn’t be nit-picky over these small items that would serve no real purpose beyond pleasing hardcore canon fans who can, y’know, use their heads?
Focus on the plot at large for complaints of plot holes. That, or if you find something that’s truly compelling and has no readily available, easily supported explanation, then bring it to the table. Something like the Pillar of Autumn’s landing on Reach before we got any supplemental information to back the consistency of the game and book - that was what one could consider a legitimate plot hole because it defied logic given available information at the time.
Nothing about the Genesis escape, on the other hand, defies logic given what we’ve seen in other canon.
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> Of course I can’t disprove them because you made the explanation up, and that is sort of my point. You had to write several paragraphs worth of speculation and theory just to explain how Chief and Locke got from point A to point B. That’s bad story telling. I’m not saying everything needs to be explained, but there are limits to how much the viewer should have to explain themselves.
This. And to people saying “it’s not relevant to the plot”, I very much disagree. I think it’s very relevant how and why two Spartans suddenly just show up on Sanghelios in a Pelican, after being left on a planetoid in an unknown region of space, after an unknown amount of time, without their teammates.
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This one in particular is a doozy. We spend the whole game building up Osiris coming together as a unit, as well as finally see Blue Team back in action, and then they’re just…gone. So much for all that “We’ve come a long way together.” & “We’re with you to the end.” stuff. It’s bad enough that this game pretty much invalidates all the material that came before it, but then the ending practically strips what little relevance is left in it’s own narrative in regards to the other characters they’ve just introduced - with no explanation whatsoever. It’s ridiculous.
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I don’t feel like repeating my points again, so I’ll sum it up like this. We see Chief and Locke on Genesis. Next scene is them millions of light years away from Genesis on Sanghelios with no explanation given or indication of how much time has gone by. That’s bad writing. The viewer is only supposed to fill in the blanks with information and context given in said story. Halo 5 gives no information or context as to how they got home other than they may have got a Pelican. You can assume till the cows come home about what happened, and no matter how logical your explanation is, it’s still bad writing.
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They don’t. This was even addressed in 2556 when locke used a condor not a pelican to get to the ring fragment. But if you are that confident please show us a pelican doing slipspace.
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If they came back on a phantom, condor or slip spacecraft there be no question. They came back on a pelican not a condor a pelican (I did my home work short rang dropship). Your implication that 031 helped could be spot on… Does not explain how a short range vessel with no Ai navigated a slip space rupture. Translocation teleportation is possible but it was never implied beyond the local network on genesis.
0.45sec of exposition of how they got to point A and B. would help the less informed. Not everyone is you Nihilus we don’t read all the books and store this -Yoink- in are heads. so yes 0.20sec of exposition would be nice.
You shouldn’t have to do homework to understand the simplest plot points. Yeah it does make sense but are you honestly defending bad story telling.
All 343i had to say at the end when they’ve done their She’s gone skit:-
031EW: “ah bonza … you have been reunited, ill start preparation on a slipspace portal to translocate you home.”
the absence of what 10-20sec of dialog has created this bs speculation.
as it stands no one can confirm or deny your conclusion… at the end of the day it looks like they got on a pelican and arrived on Sanghelios… yes or no?
I agree with Nihilus, there are some good explanations out there. The “plot holes” aren’t that big.
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> This. And to people saying “it’s not relevant to the plot”, I very much disagree.
Does the question of how Johnson and Keyes made it back to Earth keep you up at night, or did you just assume they hitched a ride aboard a Covenant ship? Does it even matter? I don’t think it does. Just like it doesn’t matter here.
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> I think it’s very relevant how and why two Spartans suddenly just show up on Sanghelios in a Pelican,
Pelicans were scattered all over Genesis.
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They’re in contact with the Installation’s Monitor who should have that information readily available.
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True we have no idea how time passed but I still don’t see a problem.
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Still not a problem. There isn’t enough context in that scene to determine if there is a problem or not. We don’t know why they’re there in the first place, but chances are their goal simply doesn’t require Blue or Osiris to be there. Like I said above, they could use the extra space on the Pelican to pick people and supplies up. Exuberant Witness wasn’t there either, so Blue and Osiris could be with her somewhere. It’s just not that important.
You make it sound like their absence indicates they’ve been killed off screen or something. I highly doubt that’s why they were gone, so chill out.
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Yeah because Blue and Osiris standing in the background would have totally changed the entire outcome of the game. Sheesh. People will complain about anything.