The disrespecfull attitude br players can have

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> I can’t even fathom how you think it’s fun without br spawns. And never will. That being said. They should and probably have a social list once they iron out match making.

Cant fathom why you think br starts are goog either?hum we got ourselves in a pickel now dont we!

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> BRS are OK but it gets boring if every game you play is BRS.

Yes back in the day you got br starts every 6 to 7 games and it was cool

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> Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-

The funny thing is he couldn’t even get "Classic start right. “Classic” was the BR and Pistol. The DMR was a joke weapon introduced in Halo: Reach that didn’t take any skill. They at least fixed that in Halo 4.

Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.

There’s a reason why they called it the “noob combo” :slight_smile:

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> I can’t even fathom how you think it’s fun without br spawns. And never will. That being said. They should and probably have a social list once they iron out match making.

Social, no ranked smg start. I recall my highest rank was 38 smg start. Thats my preference and a lot of friends preference too. Nothin more thrilling then owning at range when the other has an smg. That why i like the assymetric gameplay. And as frustrating as it can be to be killed by br when you dont have one, it gave the br far more status then br starts

I don’t understand why 343 doesn’t have separate playlists. If I want to play Team Slayer in H2A, I should just be able to search solely for H2A Team Slayer. I don’t understand why everyone hates Team BR’s anyway, let’s be honest, in every game mode, you all try to run for one, or all of the following

  • Sniper- Shotgun- Battlerifle- RocketsWhat’s the difference if you spawn in with different weapons?

This forum needs a serious cleanup… A lot of toxicity going around. I like using more of the sandbox. I am quite good at halo, but I enjoy not having BRs every time.

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> > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> The funny thing is he couldn’t even get "Classic start right. “Classic” was the BR and Pistol. The DMR was a joke weapon introduced in Halo: Reach that didn’t take any skill. They at least fixed that in Halo 4.
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> Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> There’s a reason why they called it the “noob combo” :slight_smile:

Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.

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> > > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> > Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.

I always enjoy the people who try to cite “a friend” as their source as if they are so uncertain that they are trying to convince themselves. I also enjoy the people who can’t seem to write a coherent sentence because they seem like they are trying so hard.

Did you ever play Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE circa 2005? It was always BRs. The only time BRs weren’t start were on the odd game mode (I think Lockout Multi-Flag CTF) and a map like Turf had SMG starts. Also some Big Team Battle games didn’t have BR starts. I want to say Containment was the only other map that comes to mind that didn’t have BR starts as I recall the BR pickup location but it did have BR starts most of the time. Even in multi-flag CTF on Containment.

If you never played Halo 2 online before I could see how you did not know this :slight_smile:

While I don’t care much because I can enjoy either BR or regular starts, you kind of lost me with your title alone. You really can’t pretend only people in one part of the community are inconsiderate. I’ve seen some pretty nasty stuff coming from all sides. Your title immediately will set anyone off who likes BR starts and make it much less likely that your actual reasoning is listened to. Basically, if you want to get people to listen, you should’t insult them in the process.

Amen, OP. Guy deserves an Oscar or something, an AVN award, whatever. What it comes down to is that 343 needs to get rid of the voting sytem, #1

#2 - there is no #2 because #1 takes care of like 10 problems at once.

I remember when weapons were earned. And I don’t agree with people that they need to prevent getting owned by the sniper… most maps have 2 snipers, one for each side, so blame yourself if you get caught up in a sniper’s gaze, or get beat to the sniper rifle… don’t let it happen. Game is about variety, but nobody wants to play Team BRs on Lockout, wtf… who picks that???

Another big problem is 343 won’t get this game fixed anyways, so the large fan base will probably die out soon, so the days of amazing objective games are over. Nobody is picking bomb matches, hardly picking CTF anymore, it’s always Slayer Pro, and people alwaaaaaays wonder why Halo has gone downhill since Halo 2… gee I wonder why?? Engine in Halo 3 is a disaster, playing it over again in matchmaking makes me realize how bad Halo 3 screwed it over. The worst part is…Halo 3 was a lot of peoples’s first game, so there’s ACTUAL people in this world that think Halo 3 is a good game online… yeaaaa right. Just like us Halo 2 guys, Halo 3 killed it, and Halo 4 killed it for Halo 3 guys, they whine the most about Halo 4.

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> > > > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> > > Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> > Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.
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> I always enjoy the people who try to cite “a friend” as their source as if they are so uncertain that they are trying to convince themselves. I also enjoy the people who can’t seem to write a coherent sentence because they seem like they are trying so hard.
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> Did you ever play Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE circa 2005? It was always BRs. The only time BRs weren’t start were on the odd game mode (I think Lockout Multi-Flag CTF) and a map like Turf had SMG starts. Also some Big Team Battle games didn’t have BR starts. I want to say Containment was the only other map that comes to mind that didn’t have BR starts as I recall the BR pickup location but it did have BR starts most of the time. Even in multi-flag CTF on Containment.
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> If you never played Halo 2 online before I could see how you did not know this :slight_smile:

He’s right, you’re definitely rewriting history. BRs were a game type or a map default. Rarely did players ever start with a BR… don’t you think I would have remembered that? You know how I would remember if Halo 2 had BR starts all the time?? I would have quit after the first week, but it turns out I played Halo 2 from the start to finish. I seriously don’t think you’ve played Halo 2 online at all. BRs were found on the map or in special game types. I think you seriously picked up Halo 3, thinking it was Halo 2… because I remember my first Halo 3 match… when I spawned to start… omg, there was a BR in my hand… to my surprise, i was like whaaaaaaat???

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> > > > > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> > > > The funny thing is he couldn’t even get "Classic start right. “Classic” was the BR and Pistol. The DMR was a joke weapon introduced in Halo: Reach that didn’t take any skill. They at least fixed that in Halo 4.
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> > > > Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> > > > There’s a reason why they called it the “noob combo” :slight_smile:
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> > > Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.
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> > I always enjoy the people who try to cite “a friend” as their source as if they are so uncertain that they are trying to convince themselves. I also enjoy the people who can’t seem to write a coherent sentence because they seem like they are trying so hard.
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> > Did you ever play Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE circa 2005? It was always BRs. The only time BRs weren’t start were on the odd game mode (I think Lockout Multi-Flag CTF) and a map like Turf had SMG starts. Also some Big Team Battle games didn’t have BR starts. I want to say Containment was the only other map that comes to mind that didn’t have BR starts as I recall the BR pickup location but it did have BR starts most of the time. Even in multi-flag CTF on Containment.
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> > If you never played Halo 2 online before I could see how you did not know this :slight_smile:
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> He’s right, you’re definitely rewriting history. BRs were a game type or a map default. Rarely did players ever start with a BR… don’t you think I would have remembered that? You know how I would remember if Halo 2 had BR starts all the time?? I would have quit after the first week, but it turns out I played Halo 2 from the start to finish. I seriously don’t think you’ve played Halo 2 online at all. BRs were found on the map or in special game types. I think you seriously picked up Halo 3, thinking it was Halo 2… because I remember my first Halo 3 match… when I spawned to start… omg, there was a BR in my hand… to my surprise, i was like whaaaaaaat???

It really is a shame that I don’t think you can pull up the old Bungie.net records. I remember going through several accounts (yes, this was because you couldn’t change your gamertag in those days; remember that or did you not play on Xbox LIVE then either?). However, what I do remember is the majority of my games being with Battle Rifles - my very first game of Halo 2 online was with BRs.

I do remember however, that custom game defaults weren’t the Battle Riffle. I always hated having to change that.

I was really bad with the BR in those days. More of an objective carrier. I was good at that. Still am. Better with the BR nowadays but I still prefer rushing for objectives because that’s what I did. Banshee, Warthog driver, or objective. In case you didn’t know this, Halo 2’s hosting system was very easy to figure out. Having the advantage of fiber optics in those days, I always got host. Which, if you actually played Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE, which I doubt, you would know that there was certain advantages to being a vehicle driver or objective carrier while host.

My question is, did you ever play Halo 2 over Xbox LIVE? Besides a custom game? Every fun game from Waterworks to Burial Mounds was with BRs. There was that oddball map Foundation, at least I believe that’s what it was called (the one that was great for games like Four Flag Frenzy - a custom game type and Zombies/Infection) that I recall using SMGs starting but even the majority of those were BR starts also.

Maybe we spent the majority of our time in different playlists? It would explain few discrepancies.

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> > > > > > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> > > > > The funny thing is he couldn’t even get "Classic start right. “Classic” was the BR and Pistol. The DMR was a joke weapon introduced in Halo: Reach that didn’t take any skill. They at least fixed that in Halo 4.
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> > > > > Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> > > > > There’s a reason why they called it the “noob combo” :slight_smile:
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> > > > Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.
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> > > I always enjoy the people who try to cite “a friend” as their source as if they are so uncertain that they are trying to convince themselves. I also enjoy the people who can’t seem to write a coherent sentence because they seem like they are trying so hard.
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> > > Did you ever play Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE circa 2005? It was always BRs. The only time BRs weren’t start were on the odd game mode (I think Lockout Multi-Flag CTF) and a map like Turf had SMG starts. Also some Big Team Battle games didn’t have BR starts. I want to say Containment was the only other map that comes to mind that didn’t have BR starts as I recall the BR pickup location but it did have BR starts most of the time. Even in multi-flag CTF on Containment.
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> > > If you never played Halo 2 online before I could see how you did not know this :slight_smile:
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> > He’s right, you’re definitely rewriting history. BRs were a game type or a map default. Rarely did players ever start with a BR… don’t you think I would have remembered that? You know how I would remember if Halo 2 had BR starts all the time?? I would have quit after the first week, but it turns out I played Halo 2 from the start to finish. I seriously don’t think you’ve played Halo 2 online at all. BRs were found on the map or in special game types. I think you seriously picked up Halo 3, thinking it was Halo 2… because I remember my first Halo 3 match… when I spawned to start… omg, there was a BR in my hand… to my surprise, i was like whaaaaaaat???
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> It really is a shame that I don’t think you can pull up the old Bungie.net records. I remember going through several accounts (yes, this was because you couldn’t change your gamertag in those days; remember that or did you not play on Xbox LIVE then either?). However, what I do remember is the majority of my games being with Battle Rifles - my very first game of Halo 2 online was with BRs.
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> I do remember however, that custom game defaults weren’t the Battle Riffle. I always hated having to change that.
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> I was really bad with the BR in those days. More of an objective carrier. I was good at that. Still am. Better with the BR nowadays but I still prefer rushing for objectives because that’s what I did. Banshee, Warthog driver, or objective. In case you didn’t know this, Halo 2’s hosting system was very easy to figure out. Having the advantage of fiber optics in those days, I always got host. Which, if you actually played Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE, which I doubt, you would know that there was certain advantages to being a vehicle driver or objective carrier while host.
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> My question is, did you ever play Halo 2 over Xbox LIVE? Besides a custom game? Every fun game from Waterworks to Burial Mounds was with BRs. There was that oddball map Foundation, at least I believe that’s what it was called (the one that was great for games like Four Flag Frenzy - a custom game type and Zombies/Infection) that I recall using SMGs starting but even the majority of those were BR starts also.
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> Maybe we spent the majority of our time in different playlists? It would explain few discrepancies.

Guys, don’t mind anything he says - if he thinks that the “noob combo” was plasma pistol and SMG (rather than plasma/battle rifle, which it actually is) his memory is obviously suspect.

BR starts ruin the weapon sandbox, especially when they have BR starts on small-medium size maps, and especially in objective games. I can use the BR just fine, I do pretty well with it - but do I realize that fun and skill are not one in the same? Absolutely. Would I rather run around Warlock with a PR-SMG combo than with a BR? Absolutely.

It’s always fun to read threads like these. BR starts are for people that like the competitive aspect of halo rather than the casual aspect. (My opinion of course) You can bicker about which is better but in the end it is all a matter of personal opinion and preference. My preference is BR starts because I like the even playing field it lays out for the entirety of the game. I am naturally a competitive person. I find it odd that the OP calls out just one side of the disrespect instead of making a neutral argument for both sides. No side is right or wrong, but making a thread about disrespectful ‘mlg wannabes’ and bashing anyones opinion on BR start is rather childish and disrespectful as well.

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> > > > > > > Spray and pray? There is skill, even with smgs u can out maneuver the enemy, get the beat down first .ect I love BRS but for one o agree with op, what’s with this wana be pro attitude acting like if u prefer the br your automatically better than everyone else? Its childish -Yoink-
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> > > > > > The funny thing is he couldn’t even get "Classic start right. “Classic” was the BR and Pistol. The DMR was a joke weapon introduced in Halo: Reach that didn’t take any skill. They at least fixed that in Halo 4.
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> > > > > > Yes though, the SMG is spray and pray usually. Or the “Noob combo” which was the SMG and the Plasma Pistol overcharged.
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> > > > > > There’s a reason why they called it the “noob combo” :slight_smile:
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> > > > > Funny cause all my games team slayer and all wewre always smg starts, never br start, they were map pickups, all my friend know that team br were a separate playlist stop rewriting history.
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> > > > I always enjoy the people who try to cite “a friend” as their source as if they are so uncertain that they are trying to convince themselves. I also enjoy the people who can’t seem to write a coherent sentence because they seem like they are trying so hard.
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> > > > Did you ever play Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE circa 2005? It was always BRs. The only time BRs weren’t start were on the odd game mode (I think Lockout Multi-Flag CTF) and a map like Turf had SMG starts. Also some Big Team Battle games didn’t have BR starts. I want to say Containment was the only other map that comes to mind that didn’t have BR starts as I recall the BR pickup location but it did have BR starts most of the time. Even in multi-flag CTF on Containment.
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> > > > If you never played Halo 2 online before I could see how you did not know this :slight_smile:
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> > > He’s right, you’re definitely rewriting history. BRs were a game type or a map default. Rarely did players ever start with a BR… don’t you think I would have remembered that? You know how I would remember if Halo 2 had BR starts all the time?? I would have quit after the first week, but it turns out I played Halo 2 from the start to finish. I seriously don’t think you’ve played Halo 2 online at all. BRs were found on the map or in special game types. I think you seriously picked up Halo 3, thinking it was Halo 2… because I remember my first Halo 3 match… when I spawned to start… omg, there was a BR in my hand… to my surprise, i was like whaaaaaaat???
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> > It really is a shame that I don’t think you can pull up the old Bungie.net records. I remember going through several accounts (yes, this was because you couldn’t change your gamertag in those days; remember that or did you not play on Xbox LIVE then either?). However, what I do remember is the majority of my games being with Battle Rifles - my very first game of Halo 2 online was with BRs.
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> > I do remember however, that custom game defaults weren’t the Battle Riffle. I always hated having to change that.
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> > I was really bad with the BR in those days. More of an objective carrier. I was good at that. Still am. Better with the BR nowadays but I still prefer rushing for objectives because that’s what I did. Banshee, Warthog driver, or objective. In case you didn’t know this, Halo 2’s hosting system was very easy to figure out. Having the advantage of fiber optics in those days, I always got host. Which, if you actually played Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE, which I doubt, you would know that there was certain advantages to being a vehicle driver or objective carrier while host.
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> > My question is, did you ever play Halo 2 over Xbox LIVE? Besides a custom game? Every fun game from Waterworks to Burial Mounds was with BRs. There was that oddball map Foundation, at least I believe that’s what it was called (the one that was great for games like Four Flag Frenzy - a custom game type and Zombies/Infection) that I recall using SMGs starting but even the majority of those were BR starts also.
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> > Maybe we spent the majority of our time in different playlists? It would explain few discrepancies.
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> Guys, don’t mind anything he says - if he thinks that the “noob combo” was plasma pistol and SMG (rather than plasma/battle rifle, which it actually is) his memory is obviously suspect.
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> BR starts ruin the weapon sandbox, especially when they have BR starts on small-medium size maps, and especially in objective games. I can use the BR just fine, I do pretty well with it - but do I realize that fun and skill are not one in the same? Absolutely. Would I rather run around Warlock with a PR-SMG combo than with a BR? Absolutely.

I was content to let this matter drop - but you my friend are the epiphany of idiocy. After 10 years, everyone’s memory is suspect. No one’s played a game of Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE since the original Xbox LIVE servers were turned off for good. So when someone displays such audacious stupidity such as you did by saying "don’t mind anything say" just explains to me why the internet was a better place back then - not everyone and their grandmother had broadband so people like you couldn’t speak; aside from the few that did.
Now that I’m done lambasting you, I will be happy to admit that after 10 years, getting something like the “noob combo” wrong is expected. Especially when you’d used to hear it left and right with the plasma pistol and SMG dual wield. So if it’s in fact the BR, I stand corrected but the PP/SMG dual wield combo is just as bad. However, the PP/BR combo sounds more Halo 3 than Halo 2. Go try it out for yourself in the two sandboxes and see. I feel you might be a kid that didn’t get started with Halo on LIVE until Halo 3.
It really comes down to what was said above me: BR is more competitive. It makes for great games - especially BTB but it also makes for bad games too. I prefer this BR/SMG starting that they have going on now - it feels like a good mix. But to each their own.
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Well think of it this way. They’re playing the game they love the way they love it again and they have some people who’ve never played the game before basically saying the way they like it is overrated or it sucks because there isn’t enough variety.

Some of the anger is warranted, especially since some of the threads are made because clearly the player isn’t so good at the game.

I can understand why they might be mad too. Back when H2 and 3 first released if you got your -Yoink- kicked you focused on getting better. You eventually improved and became a better player as a result while the ranking system helped determine your overall skill.

Today it is all about instant gratification. If players don’t do well they quit, if a game type comes up that they don’t like on a certain map they quit, hell some dude was talking about how he would always quit if a Halo 4 game was selected in MM so the problem isn’t even limited to new players.

That’s just what I’ve noticed though. It also still doesn’t excuse the giant d**k measuring contest that seems to coming out of the woodwork on the forums which is why people now want stats removed.

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> I was content to let this matter drop - but you my friend are the epiphany of idiocy. After 10 years, everyone’s memory is suspect. No one’s played a game of Halo 2 on Xbox LIVE since the original Xbox LIVE servers were turned off for good. So when someone displays such audacious stupidity such as you did by saying "don’t mind anything say" just explains to me why the internet was a better place back then - not everyone and their grandmother had broadband so people like you couldn’t speak; aside from the few that did.
> Now that I’m done lambasting you, I will be happy to admit that after 10 years, getting something like the “noob combo” wrong is expected. Especially when you’d used to hear it left and right with the plasma pistol and SMG dual wield. So if it’s in fact the BR, I stand corrected but the PP/SMG dual wield combo is just as bad. However, the PP/BR combo sounds more Halo 3 than Halo 2. Go try it out for yourself in the two sandboxes and see. I feel you might be a kid that didn’t get started with Halo on LIVE until Halo 3.
> It really comes down to what was said above me: BR is more competitive. It makes for great games - especially BTB but it also makes for bad games too. I prefer this BR/SMG starting that they have going on now - it feels like a good mix. But to each their own.
> :slight_smile:

Ouch, you really ripped me a new one there - how do I come back after being called stupid? Maybe I could gain back some self esteem by making assumptions on how long someone has played a game after they point out my inaccuracies, how long that person has been a member of the community (ten years? Total scrub!), or, after getting called out about my inaccuracy, I could make another, completely inaccurate assertion. Either way, this thorough lambastment has caused irreparable damage to my psyche.

SMG starts are terribly boring… It’s like playing a game of basketball with a hoop the size of an Olympic swimming pool.
Sure, the pros may have a small advantage, but the skill-gap is terribly reduced. Any noob can throw the ball into the pool-net from afar.

Both kinds of starts have an important role for MM. Neither is better then the other.

Considering MLG is a huge joke anyway, its quite laughable. No body cares about MLG other than sweaty try hards who can’t play sports and over competitive people who need to win at everyone