The Covenant Carbine

Games Other Halo
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So, I recently mastered the DMR commendation. It was my go-to weapon in nearly all of my loadouts. Around the same time I unlocked the sweet-looking Carbine skin from the Rogue spec. I thought, why not give this one a try on some smaller maps?

It looks really cool. It sounds really cool. But it doesn’t do enough damage.

I see people on this thread complaining that the BR kills too slowly or that the DMR is too OP. While I agree that the DMR is the more useful in most situations, I don’t think the discrepancy is necessarily a bad thing. It certainly isn’t nearly as drastic a difference as the Carbine compared to the other precision weapons.

The Carbine fires quickly. Therefore, it needs to take more shots to kill, for obvious balance reasons. However, even when I am on target and hitting the fire cap, I cannot seem to kill enemies consistently if they are anything but terrible at aiming. When I use the BR or DMR, my aim is (in my humble opinion) well above average, and killing those who I get the drop on is almost always guaranteed.

With the Carbine, this is not the case. Even in closer ranges, I feel like my aim must be perfect and my strafe as random as can be in order to make it out of a 1 v 1 with my shields intact.

Does anyone else feel this way about the Carbine? I think the E3 build of the game had a better Carbine, but everyone with good aim used it so I think 343 got scared and nerfed it. Now it seems like it doesn’t have a place in the game.

Some proposed buffs:
-Increase the damage to make the kill requirements one shot lower.
-Bump up the aim assist in ranges just less than the BR’s Aim Assist Range, making the Carbine a close/mid-range contender.
-Increase the clip size to allow an extra kill before reloading.

Of course, one of these buffs would probably suffice on its own, except for the clip size one. That one would probably come along with the aim assist buff to make it a valid choice in our loadouts.

I am not usually one to call for the changing of gun stats, but the Carbine is terrible in its current state. I only use it occasionally in Regicide because the high ROF allows me to get that final headshot on a weak opponent before anyone else who is shooting at him can get the last shot in. This means the Carbine is more of a finisher or a teamshot weapon, which isn’t what you want in a primary. I want the Carbine to be a good weapon, I really do. It’s so pretty with the skin. But it just isn’t, and that makes me sad.

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I miss the older version as well. IIRC, the older Carbine superseded the DMR as the go-to gun!

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The Covenant Carbine needs to take 1 less shot to kill IMO.

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Carbine needs buff to 7sk, DMR needs nerf.

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That’s what I thought. I figured this would be something that people would want changed. Even if it never makes it into a patch, at least all us Halo nerds got to whine about it, get it out of our system, and go back to playing the game. I hope the Carbine gets fixed, though. I would use it a lot on small maps if it was a viable option.

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I really wish the Carbine was a valid choice because I really love it and it is pretty much useless.

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carbine takes some skill to use since auto aim doesn’t effect it that much. IT’s one of my favorite weapons in the game.

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The carbine is all I use and obliterates all the competition.

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> The Covenant Carbine needs to take 1 less shot to kill IMO.

I agree with this, it’s almost just right, but if took a little less time, it would be perfectly balanced.

I already think it’s a useful weapon and a skilled player can outplay a DMR if they use a little strategy. It’s a fun weapon to use. :slight_smile:

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> carbine takes some skill to use since auto aim doesn’t effect it that much. IT’s one of my favorite weapons in the game.

Perhaps I am just not used to the difference in auto aim, and I am missing more shots than I think I am. Sometimes the transition between guns can be like changing sensitivity in terms of auto aim. If what you say is true, I am satisfied and I will try to get better with the darn thing.

However, a lot of people seem to think it doesn’t kill fast enough even when you hit ALL your shots compared to the DMR and BR. Also, if you miss once with the DMR, it isn’t a death sentence unless you’re facing a really good player in a head to head 1v1. If you miss once with the carbine, you better hope that the other player gets a sudden case of thumb sweat and chokes right before killing your helpless -Yoink-.

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> > The Covenant Carbine needs to take 1 less shot to kill IMO.
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> I agree with this, it’s almost just right, but if took a little less time, it would be perfectly balanced.
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> I already think it’s a useful weapon and a skilled player can outplay a DMR if they use a little strategy. It’s a fun weapon to use. :slight_smile:

Yeah, you can outplay people, but you are at a bit of a disadvantage when in a no-cover face-off against a BR or DMR where it’s only about aim and strafe. A damage buff would fix that.

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too be honest, i love the carbine, i do get lots of kills with it and beating dmr players (not all)

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Light Rifle >

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> Yeah, you can outplay people, but you are at a bit of a disadvantage when in a no-cover face-off against a BR or DMR where it’s only about aim and strafe. A damage buff would fix that.

I feel that, using the Carbine, I’d crush someone using a BR in an open field, but yes, DMR would be more difficult.

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I like the carbine/ You’re right about it being a teamshot weapon. I actually use it with an AR, firepower, and dexterity. If I can’t kill them with the AR, I’ll whip out the Carbine for the kill. It also works well for long distance suppressive fire, keeping enemies pinned so your teammates can flank them. It doesn’t get you many kills in this role, but it’s an assist machine.

Also, in matches full of BR and DMR, people might not be expecting it. I’ve had people panic when I start pounding their face with plasma. Much easier to kill that way.

One place I DON’T want to see it is SWAT. ROF is WAY too high for SWAT.

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At this current time, DMR>Carbine>BR and im unsure where to place the light rifle in that mix. I can still compete with the DMR at midrange with the carbine but long range is no contest right now.

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What are the chances of 343 buffing the carbine? Because it needs it. I use it alot, but there are many times where I fall one shot short against a DMR/BR user.

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> The Covenant Carbine needs to take 1 less shot to kill IMO.

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The Carbine is pretty useless. Could use a buff.

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Threads like these make me miss the Needle Rifle… I don’t recall anyone ever wanting that weapon to be stronger. It felt perfect. Good times.