The Competitive and Social Playlists

Now, in Reach we had all these different playlists that didn’t really focus on one thing (Arena did cover competitive, but not that well, but still no complaints from me.)

But I know everyone remembers Halo 3 and it’s Ranked and Social playlists, but instead of being ranked in different playlists, you keep your same level/rank in every playlist. (Which it had until they put individual ranks within each playlists).

For Competitive, it’s all Hardcore game types, and people who play in this playlist will play with people who are focused on its main core, winning and challenge. So in order to keep that balance of challenge, no guests or distractions allowed, that’s why I wish there were DS, so if someone quits, someone can fill that hole. But guests should only be allowed to play in Social playlists, they usually suck and take up a spot on you team.

Social playlist will be more of a Casual type deal, where you can fool around and have fun with the rest of the world. Guests can plague this category all they want. Social BTB will probably be my choice since it’s fun to get in a vehicle and go race around the map.

For me, I’ll be playing both (Competitive because I love a challenge, and Social to vent from the Competition). But again, my MAIN focus will be the Campaign, as to me it’s what Halo has always been about.

But anyway, COMMENT about your ideas on how the Categories should be set, but be civil and specific.

“Competitive” = Social

The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

> “Competitive” = Social
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> The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

We need snipes, mlg, doubles, swat, slayer, objective, FFA, and big team with arena ranks or 1-50s. Because I am a nova and I get people that its their third game of reach in BTB and rumble pit. (I have a 50 in both of these according to HC)

> “Competitive” = Social
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> The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

I simply changed H3’s Ranked and re-worded into Competitive playlist.

Sure, you can play competitively in Social, but the main design for creating a Social playlist is to appeal to players who want to play and have fun without feeling the need to try hard (Casual players). In Competitive, it’s almost exactly like Ranked from H3, just no guest players allowed.

Sure you can play for real, in Social, but then you might as well play Competitive, unless you try to spam easy kills.

Now back to you, you didn’t really disagree with my OP in your first post:

“Competitive” = Social

The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

Now, Competitive does not = Social, here is why. Competitive is a challenge, and the playlist focuses on challenging it’s players. Social on the other hand, does not attempt to challenge the player. And the playlist doesn’t fail or falter in doing it’s job. If the players choose to “compete with each other”, then that’s their deal, but it wouldn’t make sense to do it if there is already a playlist that covers Competition.

Now I agree with what you say about logic, but in order to state a logical question about the OP, then you need to ask instead of disagree, because that could be misunderstood.

> > “Competitive” = Social
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> > The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”
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> We need snipes, mlg, doubles, swat, slayer, objective, FFA, and big team with arena ranks or 1-50s. Because I am a nova and I get people that its their third game of reach in BTB and rumble pit. (I have a 50 in both of these according to HC)

Agreed. The current system is absurd.

> “Competitive” = Social
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> The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

Sad, but true.

Halo 4 needs to go back to Halo 2/3 style ranking/playlists:

Social.
Competitive.

This kept the “balance”, so to speak. Arena-style rank is disliked by the competitive player, and Bungie tried to cram them all into one playlist space. Shows how much they really cared about the Competitive players, eh?

> I simply changed H3’s Ranked and re-worded into Competitive playlist.
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> Sure, you can play competitively in Social, but the main design for creating a Social playlist is to appeal to players who want to play and have fun without feeling the need to try hard (Casual players).

That’s what every playlist besides Arena does.

> In Competitive, it’s almost exactly like Ranked from H3, just no guest players allowed.

Uhh actually it’s exactly like Social from H3, just with a different name.

> Sure you can play for real, in Social, but then you might as well play Competitive, unless you try to spam easy kills.
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> Now back to you, you didn’t really disagree with my OP in your first post:
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> “Competitive” = Social
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> The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”

You suggested that Reach needs a Social playlist, while I pointed out that it already has Social, but is simply titled “Competitive,” pointing out the obvious redundancy in your suggestion. The disagreement is implied. If you can’t infer that for yourself then I don’t even know what to say…

> Now, Competitive does not = Social, here is why. Competitive is a challenge, and the playlist focuses on challenging it’s players. Social on the other hand, does not attempt to challenge the player.

How is Competitive, in any way shape or form a challenge?

> cheeezztofer, I understand that, but these are just ideas, opinions if you will, they don’t need to be proven or disproven.

You’re making a suggestion for a game to be changed entirely for all the thousands of players. At the least, you need to present supporting facts and reasoning behind those opinions, otherwise your posts are just a waste of space and this is why:

It could in fact be that your reasons for disagreement are simply based on wrong assumptions. Without proper reasoning to support your claims, there is no way of knowing if that is the case or not. Thus, it is in the developers’ best interest to ignore unsupported feedback.

You have to understand that at this point, I am simply trying to help you understand why a proper argument is necessary: all your feedback will be ignored without demonstrated thought.

> An idea cannot be changed unless the owner of that idea changes it.

What?

> In earlier posts, I was stating my personnel opinion about the Halo4 ranking system and how I didn’t really like H3’s ranking system, and liked Reach’s system better.

Your “opinion” was 90% based on the fact that you felt you didn’t get the rank you deserved. However, when presented with the data to prove that you were placed exactly where you should be in terms of skill (+/- 50% W/L and 1.0 K/D), you chose to just get angry and defensive rather than present a counter-argument.

> And then I’m being attacked by Jay, for what?? Expressing my thoughts, and then claims of me being a bad player, emerged from no where, and that pissed me off. So, I might lose credibility from getting angry, but he loses as well, for wrongly criticizing me for no real reason.

Where did I call you a bad player? I said that the change from the word “Social” to “Competitive” was a ploy by Bungie to fool bad players into believing that they’re hardcore. I never said that you were bad, that was simply the implication that you yourself took from it.

> Maybe he commented negatively because, I didn’t like his favorite ranking system, so of course I would talk back. It ain’t fair.

It wasn’t a negative comment and I honestly do not have a favourite ranking system, I do not care as long as I get fair matches and a way to track progress. Both systems have flaws (which are easy to fix) but I am able to get over that in exchange for the games they offer.

as long as the rank only appears in the ranked playlist (when you’re in it) I am fine w/ the return of ranked and social.

> > “Competitive” = Social
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> > The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”
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> Sad, but true.
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> Halo 4 needs to go back to Halo 2/3 style ranking/playlists:
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> Social.
> Competitive.
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> This kept the “balance”, so to speak. Arena-style rank is disliked by the competitive player, and Bungie tried to cram them all into one playlist space. Shows how much they really cared about the Competitive players, eh?

Exactly, the competitive player has been completely ignored in overwhelming preference to the social player, and so much so that they have even listened to the rubbish the social player has spouted out such as theree shouldm’t be ranked play, it is just ego stroking. But in reverse, the ranked player has never said that social games should not exist. And yet who is listened too.

In Reach, the competitive player is the most ignored, and most in need of love in future title updates, and still we hear nothing from 343 on this issue. In fact it is only fair that competitive players get the most changes from now on - Social players have an inexhaustable range of options open to them, and its about time competitive players get the same courtesy.

> > I simply changed H3’s Ranked and re-worded into Competitive playlist.
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> > Sure, you can play competitively in Social, but the main design for creating a Social playlist is to appeal to players who want to play and have fun without feeling the need to try hard (Casual players).
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> That’s what every playlist besides Arena does.
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> > In Competitive, it’s almost exactly like Ranked from H3, just no guest players allowed.
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> Uhh actually it’s exactly like Social from H3, just with a different name.
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> > Sure you can play for real, in Social, but then you might as well play Competitive, unless you try to spam easy kills.
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> > Now back to you, you didn’t really disagree with my OP in your first post:
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> > “Competitive” = Social
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> > The only difference is the name used in order to fool bad players into thinking that they are “hardcore.”
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> You suggested that Reach needs a Social playlist, while I pointed out that it already has Social, but is simply titled “Competitive,” pointing out the obvious redundancy in your suggestion. The disagreement is implied. If you can’t infer that for yourself then I don’t even know what to say…
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> > Now, Competitive does not = Social, here is why. Competitive is a challenge, and the playlist focuses on challenging it’s players. Social on the other hand, does not attempt to challenge the player.
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> How is Competitive, in any way shape or form a challenge?
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> > cheeezztofer, I understand that, but these are just ideas, opinions if you will, they don’t need to be proven or disproven.
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> You’re making a suggestion for a game to be changed entirely for all the thousands of players. At the least, you need to present supporting facts and reasoning behind those opinions, otherwise your posts are just a waste of space and this is why:
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> It could in fact be that your reasons for disagreement are simply based on wrong assumptions. Without proper reasoning to support your claims, there is no way of knowing if that is the case or not. Thus, it is in the developers’ best interest to ignore unsupported feedback.
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> You have to understand that at this point, I am simply trying to help you understand why a proper argument is necessary: all your feedback will be ignored without demonstrated thought.
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> > An idea cannot be changed unless the owner of that idea changes it.
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> What?
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> > In earlier posts, I was stating my personnel opinion about the Halo4 ranking system and how I didn’t really like H3’s ranking system, and liked Reach’s system better.
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> Your “opinion” was 90% based on the fact that you felt you didn’t get the rank you deserved. However, when presented with the data to prove that you were placed exactly where you should be in terms of skill (+/- 50% W/L and 1.0 K/D), you chose to just get angry and defensive rather than present a counter-argument.
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> > And then I’m being attacked by Jay, for what?? Expressing my thoughts, and then claims of me being a bad player, emerged from no where, and that pissed me off. So, I might lose credibility from getting angry, but he loses as well, for wrongly criticizing me for no real reason.
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> Where did I call you a bad player? I said that the change from the word “Social” to “Competitive” was a ploy by Bungie to fool bad players into believing that they’re hardcore. I never said that you were bad, that was simply the implication that you yourself took from it.
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> > Maybe he commented negatively because, I didn’t like his favorite ranking system, so of course I would talk back. It ain’t fair.
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> It wasn’t a negative comment and I honestly do not have a favourite ranking system, I do not care as long as I get fair matches and a way to track progress. Both systems have flaws (which are easy to fix) but I am able to get over that in exchange for the games they offer.

Ah, I finally figured you out. You are that kind of person who acts like what they say is all based on “facts”, when YOU are the one who really has no facts.

Now this is a H4 post, not a Reach, I said in my OP that Reach has “all these different playlists that don’t specify one one thing”. So, how does that “suggest” Reach needs a Social Playlist. Oh, it doesn’t you say.

You want to know what I think? Of course you do, that’s why you keep replying to my comments. YOU didn’t really read my comment. Skimmed it probably, but didn’t read it into detail. So, that pretty much removes your “credibility” and makes you sir, a hypocrite.

If you claim that I don’t use logic in my posts and don’t use the proper and correct way of counter-arguing, how does that make your posts logical if you don’t actually read the OP??

Just because you use “logical” words in your posts, doesn’t make you a logical person. So in conclusion, don’t go on a rampage if you don’t really know why your doing it in the first place.

All the other stuff you replied on, it’s all common sense, like how “How is Competitive, in any way shape or form a challenge?” (??? Competitive… Competition… Do you know what a competition is?, Or is “Competition” only used to “fool bad players into thinking they are competing”!!!). Like I said, common sense.

And lastly, don’t try to “teach” me something that you not only don’t understand, but because it insults anyone’s intelligence, especially by a kid/teen. And don’t pretend you didn’t call me a bad player, not so much as calling me a bad player, but insinuating things that you sir, do not fully understand. Don’t believe me. Take a look see for yourself:

http://halo.xbox.com/forums/games/f/7/t/35641.aspx

In reality and truth, we don’t need people expressing their concerns like you “logical” kinds of people. Done.

Once again, you just get angry and rant instead of countering the issues at hand.

I’m not the only one who disagrees with what you post, why do you think it is that you end up in this situation in almost every thread?

> Once again, you just get angry and rant instead of countering the issues at hand.
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> I’m not the only one who disagrees with what you post, why do you think it is that you end up in this situation in almost every thread?

No, I’m afraid you continue to rant on. I just countered every little thing you stated in my last post, you can’t counter. Now I have made my points and proven them. And its sad that you try to generalize this situation in what? 3 other threads I so happened to be in and make my opinion, then get ganged up on by 3 angry posters, nut only to be back off by me because I know how to handle my words… Really sad.

I’ve been in many posts, and I’ve had more agrees then disagrees, way more. So just because I happened to disprove your “logical counters”, doesn’t give you the right to troll on.

Now from Willy Wonka himself, "I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!"

> > Once again, you just get angry and rant instead of countering the issues at hand.
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> > I’m not the only one who disagrees with what you post, why do you think it is that you end up in this situation in almost every thread?
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> No, I’m afraid you continue to rant on. I just countered every little thing you stated in my last post, you can’t counter. Now I have made my points and proven them.

LOL ok, keep living in your fantasy world.

> Once again, you just get angry and rant instead of countering the issues at hand.
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> I’m not the only one who disagrees with what you post, why do you think it is that you end up in this situation in almost every thread?

^ Agreed