No way!! I’m what can be considerd a older gamer. All you need to know is that I actually owned a Atari and its predecessor. I’ll be gaming way into the future. I enjoy it, especially fps. That being said it doesn’t matter what age bracket you fall into to remember old titles like ODST or others. If you like playing just play. Don’t complain about the “good ole days” and the way games used to be. Hell yeah I thought street fighter was the best game ever but, now to look backon the graphics it wasn’t all that. Done ranting. Just enjoy yourselves and GAME ON…
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> Yeah, Halo needed change. It was making way too much money and people were playing it way too much.
I know right. 8 million sales woah! We need to dumb this game down and add transactions. (The game sold 3 million) -343 Industries
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> > Funny you post a thread like this right after this trash video is published.
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> I clicked the link, read the beginning annotation, and now I don’t even want to watch the video. I’m pretty sure what kind of video it’s going to be from that disclaimer alone.
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> Should I give him the benefit of the doubt, or is it really just another “343i is amazing and it’s the nostalgic fan’s fault they need to -Yoink- off” kind of video?
I think you should at least watch it, I mean you really can’t hate on a video you havent watched, his main point in the video is regarding Halo Followers video, and how he believes things like the video that his video is replying to, is quite toxic, and he continues to talk about what causes toxicity in the community.
IDGAF… They can do what they want, I’ll try 6, if I don’t like it, plenty of replacement shooters. Be joining the others that already left because of how the series has been handled.
Thank you OP, I agree.
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> > > > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> > > Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> > The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
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> We’re ignorant because we know 343 made the changes? I don’t think you know what ignorant means. How ironic.
Actually, even if I was wrong in my use of the word ignorant, which I wasn’t, that would still have nothing to do with irony in this situation. What’s ironic is you misusing the term ironic. I’m clearly saying that fans are ignorant of reality when they act like 343 is making changes that bungie wouldn’t have made as well if they had stuck around. Sprint specifically comes to mind in this scenario. Maybe instead of assuming I’m using a word incorrectly cause you don’t like what I’m saying, you should look up the word and get your ego in check while you’re at it
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> I know this topic has been talked about a lot but I think we needed these changes. Halo 5 as everyone knows is completely different than CE, halo 2, or 3. Halo CE came out in 2001 if the player base was in high school they would be around 30 something by now. Halo 2 came out in 2004 player base would be around their mid 20s . Halo 3 came out in 2007 the player base now would be in their early 20s or late teens. These are just averages assuming the minimum age to buy halo but there are younger players I was playing halo 2 at the age of 10 but as people get older they grow out of playing xbox daily most original people who played halo ce doesn’t play anymore now it’s the new generation and if they stuck with the old way of playing other games like Titan fall, battle field, and call of duty would get these new players instead of halo because they are going to ask “would I rather jog around a map and shoot or jump across building slide in for a kill with a shot gun?” (And yes I realize the old halos took more skill I’ve played them) what I’m saying is it sounds a lot cooler and more fun to player halo 5 than previous halos and without new players halo will eventually die and some might say well at that point maybe it should and I’ve got to disagree. either way you wouldn’t play halo whether there is a new halo or not but some people enjoy the route halo is going. I’m not saying people who don’t like the way halo 5 has no right to have an opinion I’m saying no one wants to play the same game rapped in a different skin every couple of years unless for some reason you are still complaing that bungie should still be making halo but they would probably be doing the same thing I mean look at destiny so I think bungies halo 4 and 5 would be pretty similar to 343. To end this ill just say I like bungie and 343 both I’ve never judged any game based on who made it. Bungie did a good job with all the halos they have made but that era of gaming is over its time to accept and adapt if you want to continue playing future halos or accept and move on and stop blaming 343 because halo 5 is so different cause they did listen to the community with this one.
So where is the option to be an Sangheili/Elite?
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> > > > > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> > > > Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> > > The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
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> Actually, even if I was wrong in my use of the word ignorant, which I wasn’t, that would still have nothing to do with irony in this situation. What’s ironic is you misusing the term ironic. I’m clearly saying that fans are ignorant of reality when they act like 343 is making changes that bungie wouldn’t have made as well if they had stuck around. Sprint specifically comes to mind in this scenario. Maybe instead of assuming I’m using a word incorrectly cause you don’t like what I’m saying, you should look up the word and get your ego in check while you’re at it
I hope you do realize the majority of people who criticize or complain don’t do so simply because they believe bungie would have done better.
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> > > > > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> > > > Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> > > The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
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> > We’re ignorant because we know 343 made the changes? I don’t think you know what ignorant means. How ironic.
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> Actually, even if I was wrong in my use of the word ignorant, which I wasn’t, that would still have nothing to do with irony in this situation. What’s ironic is you misusing the term ironic. I’m clearly saying that fans are ignorant of reality when they act like 343 is making changes that bungie wouldn’t have made as well if they had stuck around. Sprint specifically comes to mind in this scenario. Maybe instead of assuming I’m using a word incorrectly cause you don’t like what I’m saying, you should look up the word and get your ego in check while you’re at it
No, I used both words properly. You’re just retroactively correcting what you meant. “I obviously meant this, which I didn’t mention at all. Duh!”
All you said is that ignorant fans do not realize 343 are the ones making the changes, not Bungie. That’s literally all you said. Nothing about “reality” or “what Bungie would’ve done”. So, that’s not ignorance. Glad to see you retroactively fixed your mistake though. You’re welcome.
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> > > > > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> > > > Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> > > The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
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> Actually, even if I was wrong in my use of the word ignorant, which I wasn’t, that would still have nothing to do with irony in this situation. What’s ironic is you misusing the term ironic. I’m clearly saying that fans are ignorant of reality when they act like 343 is making changes that bungie wouldn’t have made as well if they had stuck around. Sprint specifically comes to mind in this scenario. Maybe instead of assuming I’m using a word incorrectly cause you don’t like what I’m saying, you should look up the word and get your ego in check while you’re at it
Ignorance is bliss man. I think you are looking for Denial maybe
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> > I clicked the link, read the beginning annotation, and now I don’t even want to watch the video. I’m pretty sure what kind of video it’s going to be from that disclaimer alone.
> > Should I give him the benefit of the doubt, or is it really just another “343i is amazing and it’s the nostalgic fan’s fault they need to -Yoink- off” kind of video?
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> I think you should at least watch it, I mean you really can’t hate on a video you havent watched, his main point in the video is regarding Halo Followers video, and how he believes things like the video that his video is replying to, is quite toxic, and he continues to talk about what causes toxicity in the community.
14:30 mins in now. “Generally the old players are more toxic than the new players.”
18:55 “If you dislike the way Halo is now, go play Overwatch, go play something else.”
Kek. Okay, even if this ends up being a bad video it’s at least going to be amusing.
20:38 “I don’t give a -Yoink- about the old audience.”
Wew Lad.
Or you could make something different from the rest of the market, like for example indie games, which don’t rely on anything but being different and are successful. So by being closer to the older classic Halos’(not the same, back off I’m not that dumb), it might do better, but it’s a risk reward that could pay off a lot.
I think Halo 5 multiplayer is okay but I really hope we don’t end up like Call of Duty. I like to have a good gaming community.
i didn’t know games were supposed to remain stagnant … isn’t the point to grow and change???
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> > > > > > > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
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> > > > > > > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> > > > > > > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
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> > > > > The majority of players have played the more successful games not to mention Halo 2 and 3 were defibrillated with MCC not even a year before Halo 5 came out. If Halo 5 felt like a game we had already played the crap out of and have to an extent, gotten bored of, then obviously everyone would lose interest much faster.
> > > > > You want eveidence? Halo MCC had Halo 2 (plus a rejuvinated H2A) and Halo 3, the two most successful games in the series but couldn’t even retain it’s player base as well as Halo 4 did, which is statistically atrocious compared to the three games that came before it.
> > > > > You guys complain about Halo not being like it was back in the day but if it was you sure as hell wouldn’t be playing H5 anymore…
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> > > > You really are crazy if you believe the population of MCC dropped because they didn’t enjoy Halo 2/3. Thanks man, you made my day.
> > > > THE GAME WAS BROKEN, AND STILL IS.
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> > Go to the MCC section. You are unbelievably wrong.
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I have 50mbs download and 20mbs upload. I HIGHLY doubt it’s my internet.
I’m fine with change, as long as we get some classic elements, Halo 5 is doing this with classic weapons, and remixed armor
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> i didn’t know games were supposed to remain stagnant … isn’t the point to grow and change???
It’s not a black and white issue.
Games are supposed to build and improve, but they’re also supposed to remain consistent. It sounds paradoxical but it’s really not.
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You’d think the success and buzz of Doom and Battlefield One (and probably Gears 4) would give 343 the hint as to what they should do. Something tells me they’re not good at taking hints though.
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> > > > > > Yeah because Halo 4 and 5 are defiantly the best in everyone’s eyes, not to mention Halo 5 didn’t sell great. Look at games like CS:GO and the new DOOM, Halo doesn’t need sprint or obnoxious abilities to be popular. This kind of stuff is driving away a BIG chunk of the community, exactly what CoD is going through right now with Infinite Warfare. I don’t know why you’re bringing age into this, Halo had a perfect formula, it set standards, it made trends.
> > > > > > Now Halo hides in the shadows and follows formulas and trends from other shooters. Just because there’s equal starts in multiplayer doesn’t exactly mean it feels like Halo.
> > > > > > If that were the case, Gears of War and Unreal Tournament also “FEEL JUST LIKE CLASSIC HALO MULTIPLAYER :D”
> > > > > > Halo at this point is pretty much Call of Duty with precision reticles and longer TTK.
> > > > > > People like you keep making the argument “Halo needs to change/evolve, or it will die.” It kills me when people say that, you know why? Because THAT’S when the downfall of Halo started, when it changed. Ever since Reach, Halo has lost A TON of popularity and no longer has the golden, respected throne it once had.
> > > > > > Ever since Halo started “evolving” it also keeps losing casuals and fans.
> > > > > > I love Halo, and that’s why I criticize it. You can’t love something and not criticize it, right?
> > > > > > Halo’s never going to go back to it’s golden state until it gets a hold of itself.
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> > > > > Halo gained popularity with Reach, which is one of the reasons why the terrible Halo 4 sold so well. Halo 5 sold poorly because the xbox one isn’t as popular as the xbox and xbox 360 were back when the older games were released and also because Halo 4 was very bad. #Facts
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> > > Lol you know why Halo Reach sold well? Because of the popularity of H3. #Facts
> > > Halo started going downhill with their cookie cutter “evolving” gamplay.
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> > Yes Halo Reach sold well because of H3, never denied that, but while Halo gained most of its popularity with each of the first three games, it undeniably continued to gain popularity after the release of Halo Reach, albeit to a much lesser extent than any of the first three.
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> > Also do you know why Halo 4 sold so well? (Somehow better than Halo 2) Because of the popularity of Reach. #Facts
> > The main reason for the drop of Halo’s popularity has been the past two games have been on an unpopular console. I believe Halo 4 and MCC also contributed to its harsh downfall.
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> Reach sold less - at launch and overall - than Halo 3 (despite many more 360’s being sold), it was received not as well critically and had a massive population drop off within the first year (7th place in activity behind THREE CoD games). What makes you think Reach was more popular than Halo 3?
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I never said Reach was more popular than Halo 3, but I said it gained popularity because it outsold the two titles that came before it as well as every other Halo game besides Halo 3.
Halo Reach did have a population drop off after the first year, but most games have much larger dropoffs than Halo Reach.
Halo Reach was more critically acclaimed than Halo 3, sorry but it’s true, get your facts straight and stop spewing bullYoink! to get get your point across.
P.S. if you read my previous posts in this topic you would’ve seen me state Halo 3 was my favourite of the entire series.
Lmao, OP didn’t even play Halo 3, and be barely played Reach. So, as usual, we have some new kid on the block with Halo Reach being his first Halo, saying H5 is the best.