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> > Yeah, Halo needed change. It was making way too much money and people were playing it way too much.
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> Right, because people leave Halo to spite the developer. It has nothing to do with growing up, getting jobs, getting married, getting mortgages and kids, and just generally moving past gaming as their reason for getting out of bed in the morning.
I mean its not like the average age of gamers these days is 31 years old right? Oh wait…
Halo needs meaningful change
New gamemodes - New decent fleshed out characters - New weapons - New customisationHalo doesn’t need pointless negative change
Removal of gamemodes - Limited content - Removal of key founding featuresHalo does need change but it needs to be planned out and be meaningful.
we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> Halo 3 was my favourite but that doesn’t mean I want a remake instead of Halo 5. Although I have some complaints about Halo 5’s gameplay the way the game has evolved is kind of amazing.
This is exactly how I feel.
Also, I found the OP quite hard to read/follow.
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> we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
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> > > > > > > > > > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
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> > > > > > > > > > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
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> > > > > > > > > > I can assure you that the majority of players would get bored of Halo 5 over twice as fast had it played like the more successful Halo games.
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> > > > > > > > > You assure me based on what?
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> > > > > > > > The majority of players have played the more successful games not to mention Halo 2 and 3 were defibrillated with MCC not even a year before Halo 5 came out. If Halo 5 felt like a game we had already played the crap out of and have to an extent, gotten bored of, then obviously everyone would lose interest much faster.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You want eveidence? Halo MCC had Halo 2 (plus a rejuvinated H2A) and Halo 3, the two most successful games in the series but couldn’t even retain it’s player base as well as Halo 4 did, which is statistically atrocious compared to the three games that came before it.
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> > > > > > > > You guys complain about Halo not being like it was back in the day but if it was you sure as hell wouldn’t be playing H5 anymore…
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> > > > > > > You really are crazy if you believe the population of MCC dropped because they didn’t enjoy Halo 2/3. Thanks man, you made my day.
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> > > > > > > THE GAME WAS BROKEN, AND STILL IS.
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> > > > > > It is not broken. Just because your internet sucks doesn’t mean others do. Stop hating.
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> > > > > My internet does not suck. Tell me why I get no lag in any other game but MCC. Tell me why the search restarts after WE ARE VOTING.
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> > > > > Go to the MCC section. You are unbelievably wrong.
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> > > >
> > > > I’m wrong? I have had NO issues with Halo MCC since last December. I only have 20 mgps download and 15 upload. Check your facts cause YOU are unbelievably wrong. Get rekt scrub. Get roasted.
> > >
> > >
> > > No he’s not. Plenty of people have/had issues with MCC. Completely independent of their internet status. If you bothered to hop over to the MCC section you’d understand that.The game is so temperamental you can’t judge his experience based on your own. Me and all my friends can all be sitting here in the same room playing on the same internet and have only one of us get a problem, say like, coming out in to “my game session” or UI problems while searching and the others are totally fine.
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> > > All that is because of the junk code and bugs that still sit in the game.
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> > It was completely bugged when it came out. After several weeks, I didn’t have many issues. I still had some yes, but not much that hindered my performance. And yes it has been fixed. Its been fixed for a while now.
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> It’s playable, not fixed. And like I said, you can’t judge other’s experience based on your own because of the bugs and junk code.
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> As an example of the game not being “fixed” in game party chat still drops out. If you roll with a party you will find many times you can’t hear your team. Making Party Chat the only real way to play MCC with a group. Playable, not fixed.
Halo 5 isn’t fixed by your definition. I encounter bugs and crashes. “It’s playable, not fixed.” Ya, ok, but the MCC is fixed. Can’t deny that bro.
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> > > > > > > > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> > > > > > > > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
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> > > > > > > > I can assure you that the majority of players would get bored of Halo 5 over twice as fast had it played like the more successful Halo games.
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> > > > > > > You assure me based on what?
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> > > > > > The majority of players have played the more successful games not to mention Halo 2 and 3 were defibrillated with MCC not even a year before Halo 5 came out. If Halo 5 felt like a game we had already played the crap out of and have to an extent, gotten bored of, then obviously everyone would lose interest much faster.
> > > > > > You want eveidence? Halo MCC had Halo 2 (plus a rejuvinated H2A) and Halo 3, the two most successful games in the series but couldn’t even retain it’s player base as well as Halo 4 did, which is statistically atrocious compared to the three games that came before it.
> > > > > > You guys complain about Halo not being like it was back in the day but if it was you sure as hell wouldn’t be playing H5 anymore…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You really are crazy if you believe the population of MCC dropped because they didn’t enjoy Halo 2/3. Thanks man, you made my day.
> > > > > THE GAME WAS BROKEN, AND STILL IS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is not broken. Just because your internet sucks doesn’t mean others do. Stop hating.
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> > > My internet does not suck. Tell me why I get no lag in any other game but MCC. Tell me why the search restarts after WE ARE VOTING.
> > > Go to the MCC section. You are unbelievably wrong.
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> > I’m wrong? I have had NO issues with Halo MCC since last December. I only have 20 mgps download and 15 upload. Check your facts cause YOU are unbelievably wrong. Get rekt scrub. Get roasted.
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> Lol what a tool.
Lol what a tool. Get roasted.
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> Yeah, Halo needed change. It was making way too much money and people were playing it way too much.
Great. Someone with no halo 5 service record dropping down some sarcastic burns on H5. Quick, everyone jump on the no experience bandwagon while you can.
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> > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
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> > > we’ve had “change” for 2 games in a row and it’s still not working, maybe the “change” halo really needs is to change back to classic styled gameplay which everyone knows was faaaaaar more fun and competitive than what we have now, and to innovate in it’s own way rather than copying current fps trends?
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> > Technically weave had change since Halo 2, the only difference now is that some of the changes made by 343 are not good for the long term.
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> The only difference is changes are being implemented by 343 instead of bungie and ignorant fans hate them because of it.
We’re ignorant because we know 343 made the changes? I don’t think you know what ignorant means. How ironic.
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> I know this topic has been talked about a lot but I think we needed these changes. Halo 5 as everyone knows is completely different than CE, halo 2, or 3. Halo CE came out in 2001 if the player base was in high school they would be around 30 something by now. Halo 2 came out in 2004 player base would be around their mid 20s . Halo 3 came out in 2007 the player base now would be in their early 20s or late teens. These are just averages assuming the minimum age to buy halo but there are younger players I was playing halo 2 at the age of 10 but as people get older they grow out of playing xbox daily most original people who played halo ce doesn’t play anymore now it’s the new generation and if they stuck with the old way of playing other games like Titan fall, battle field, and call of duty would get these new players instead of halo because they are going to ask “would I rather jog around a map and shoot or jump across building slide in for a kill with a shot gun?” (And yes I realize the old halos took more skill I’ve played them) what I’m saying is it sounds a lot cooler and more fun to player halo 5 than previous halos and without new players halo will eventually die and some might say well at that point maybe it should and I’ve got to disagree. either way you wouldn’t play halo whether there is a new halo or not but some people enjoy the route halo is going. I’m not saying people who don’t like the way halo 5 has no right to have an opinion I’m saying no one wants to play the same game rapped in a different skin every couple of years unless for some reason you are still complaing that bungie should still be making halo but they would probably be doing the same thing I mean look at destiny so I think bungies halo 4 and 5 would be pretty similar to 343. To end this ill just say I like bungie and 343 both I’ve never judged any game based on who made it. Bungie did a good job with all the halos they have made but that era of gaming is over its time to accept and adapt if you want to continue playing future halos or accept and move on and stop blaming 343 because halo 5 is so different cause they did listen to the community with this one.
Before I reply, I just want to say I don’t hate Halo 5 at all. Yes they’re things I would do differently and IMO 343I does a lot of head scratching decision/changes things for the sake of it but I don’t think Halo 5 is terrible.
To the OP statement, I will say to this… There is ZERO evidences that Halo needed to “change” or “evolve” after Halo 3. Halo 3 being the last Halo game that was still similar to past Halo games. Halo 3 population and sale #'s were/are off the charts. Ever since Halo changed a lot (aka Reach) Halo hasn’t been anywhere near as popular as it was and it’s just keep going downhill aka Halo 4. Halo 5 SEEMS to of brought Halo 5 back somewhat, but not anywhere near to the level of Halo 3 or before.
IMO Halo is becoming more of “It’s just a other video game” instead of “Halo started trends and is one of the best of the best games out there” It’s sad really…
Honestly…343 has the formula set I think. The multiplayer is exactly what is needed, new-player friendly (friendly doesn’t mean bad) and incredibly fun. The sandbox is the most balanced sandbox there has ever been. The forge is phenomenal. Only two things that they can do to improve upon Halo in the next mainline game installment would be:
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> Honestly…343 has the formula set I think. The multiplayer is exactly what is needed, new-player friendly (friendly doesn’t mean bad) and incredibly fun. The sandbox is the most balanced sandbox there has ever been. The forge is phenomenal. Only two things that they can do to improve upon Halo in the next mainline game installment would be:
>
> - Keep the formula how it is, however release the game with more content
> - The storywriting for campaign…it needs some drastic work.
> If Halo 5 had launched with everything with have from each update, and had a better campaign worthy of a mainline Halo game? It would’ve been hailed as one of the best from the outset. And I think now Halo 5 is up to that standard, Halo 6 will be a blast.
why do you think i always liked halo over cod? cod is pick up and play friendly halo was not… so noob charge is a good thing? sprint making all the maps articially bigger is a good thing? automatics being overpowered is a good thing? 99% of armor and emblems locked behind rng reqs a good thing?
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> Yeah because Halo 4 and 5 are defiantly the best in everyone’s eyes, not to mention Halo 5 didn’t sell great. Look at games like CS:GO and the new DOOM, Halo doesn’t need sprint or obnoxious abilities to be popular. This kind of stuff is driving away a BIG chunk of the community, exactly what CoD is going through right now with Infinite Warfare. I don’t know why you’re bringing age into this, Halo had a perfect formula, it set standards, it made trends.
> Now Halo hides in the shadows and follows formulas and trends from other shooters. Just because there’s equal starts in multiplayer doesn’t exactly mean it feels like Halo.
> If that were the case, Gears of War and Unreal Tournament also “FEEL JUST LIKE CLASSIC HALO MULTIPLAYER :D”
> Halo at this point is pretty much Call of Duty with precision reticles and longer TTK.
> People like you keep making the argument “Halo needs to change/evolve, or it will die.” It kills me when people say that, you know why? Because THAT’S when the downfall of Halo started, when it changed. Ever since Reach, Halo has lost A TON of popularity and no longer has the golden, respected throne it once had.
> Ever since Halo started “evolving” it also keeps losing casuals and fans.
> I love Halo, and that’s why I criticize it. You can’t love something and not criticize it, right?
> Halo’s never going to go back to it’s golden state until it gets a hold of itself.
Halo gained popularity with Reach, which is one of the reasons why the terrible Halo 4 sold so well. Halo 5 sold poorly because the xbox one isn’t as popular as the xbox and xbox 360 were back when the older games were released and also because Halo 4 was very bad. #Facts
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> > > > >
> > > > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> > > > >
> > > > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can assure you that the majority of players would get bored of Halo 5 over twice as fast had it played like the more successful Halo games.
> > >
> > >
> > > You assure me based on what?
> >
> >
> > The majority of players have played the more successful games not to mention Halo 2 and 3 were defibrillated with MCC not even a year before Halo 5 came out. If Halo 5 felt like a game we had already played the crap out of and have to an extent, gotten bored of, then obviously everyone would lose interest much faster.
> >
> > You want eveidence? Halo MCC had Halo 2 (plus a rejuvinated H2A) and Halo 3, the two most successful games in the series but couldn’t even retain it’s player base as well as Halo 4 did, which is statistically atrocious compared to the three games that came before it.
> >
> > You guys complain about Halo not being like it was back in the day but if it was you sure as hell wouldn’t be playing H5 anymore…
>
>
> You really are crazy if you believe the population of MCC dropped because they didn’t enjoy Halo 2/3. Thanks man, you made my day.
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> THE GAME WAS BROKEN, AND STILL IS.
Nope, they fixed it.
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> > Honestly…343 has the formula set I think. The multiplayer is exactly what is needed, new-player friendly (friendly doesn’t mean bad) and incredibly fun. The sandbox is the most balanced sandbox there has ever been. The forge is phenomenal. Only two things that they can do to improve upon Halo in the next mainline game installment would be:
> >
> > - Keep the formula how it is, however release the game with more content
> > - The storywriting for campaign…it needs some drastic work.
> > If Halo 5 had launched with everything with have from each update, and had a better campaign worthy of a mainline Halo game? It would’ve been hailed as one of the best from the outset. And I think now Halo 5 is up to that standard, Halo 6 will be a blast.
>
>
> why do you think i always liked halo over cod? cod is pick up and play friendly halo was not… so noob charge is a good thing? sprint making all the maps articially bigger is a good thing? automatics being overpowered is a good thing? 99% of armor and emblems locked behind rng reqs a good thing?
Please… Remember noob combo? Duel wilding pp and magnum/mauler? Hijacking, removing health and having shields only? I can list many ways original halo games were easy to pickup games cuz they were. You don’t just get 10+ million players for being a tough game dude… It had its mix of casual friendly and more competitive style for a variety of people, the campaign alone is perfect to make it an easy to pick up game as halo is above just its multiplayer.
Youre implying CoD is easier to play and halo is the harder game when it’s a matter of preference. A twitch game can have just as much skill as an arena/tactical but differ in many ways. There can be a list for both games on how they’re noob friendly ten years ago and now and the concept still won’t change. Games don’t pickup large fan bases by being a hard to play game, sorry to put it out there. Yea people buy harder to play games for the challenge, but majority don’t.
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> > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
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> > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> >
> > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
>
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> I can assure you that the majority of players would get bored of Halo 5 over twice as fast had it played like the more successful Halo games.
Yup, based on what?
Because based on sales (https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/4ab26y/lets_talk_about_halo_5s_sales_it_is_selling_less/) Halo 5 is the worst selling game of the franchise.
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> > Yeah because Halo 4 and 5 are defiantly the best in everyone’s eyes, not to mention Halo 5 didn’t sell great. Look at games like CS:GO and the new DOOM, Halo doesn’t need sprint or obnoxious abilities to be popular. This kind of stuff is driving away a BIG chunk of the community, exactly what CoD is going through right now with Infinite Warfare. I don’t know why you’re bringing age into this, Halo had a perfect formula, it set standards, it made trends.
> > Now Halo hides in the shadows and follows formulas and trends from other shooters. Just because there’s equal starts in multiplayer doesn’t exactly mean it feels like Halo.
> > If that were the case, Gears of War and Unreal Tournament also “FEEL JUST LIKE CLASSIC HALO MULTIPLAYER :D”
> > Halo at this point is pretty much Call of Duty with precision reticles and longer TTK.
> > People like you keep making the argument “Halo needs to change/evolve, or it will die.” It kills me when people say that, you know why? Because THAT’S when the downfall of Halo started, when it changed. Ever since Reach, Halo has lost A TON of popularity and no longer has the golden, respected throne it once had.
> > Ever since Halo started “evolving” it also keeps losing casuals and fans.
> > I love Halo, and that’s why I criticize it. You can’t love something and not criticize it, right?
> > Halo’s never going to go back to it’s golden state until it gets a hold of itself.
>
>
> Halo gained popularity with Reach, which is one of the reasons why the terrible Halo 4 sold so well. Halo 5 sold poorly because the xbox one isn’t as popular as the xbox and xbox 360 were back when the older games were released and also because Halo 4 was very bad. #Facts
Almost all of your post is wrong.
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> > >
> > > - Keep the formula how it is, however release the game with more content
> > > - The storywriting for campaign…it needs some drastic work.
> > > If Halo 5 had launched with everything with have from each update, and had a better campaign worthy of a mainline Halo game? It would’ve been hailed as one of the best from the outset. And I think now Halo 5 is up to that standard, Halo 6 will be a blast.
> >
> >
> > why do you think i always liked halo over cod? cod is pick up and play friendly halo was not… so noob charge is a good thing? sprint making all the maps articially bigger is a good thing? automatics being overpowered is a good thing? 99% of armor and emblems locked behind rng reqs a good thing?
>
>
> Please… Remember noob combo? Duel wilding pp and magnum/mauler? Hijacking, removing health and having shields only? I can list many ways original halo games were easy to pickup games cuz they were. You don’t just get 10+ million players for being a tough game dude… It had its mix of casual friendly and more competitive style for a variety of people, the campaign alone is perfect to make it an easy to pick up game as halo is above just its multiplayer.
>
> Youre implying CoD is easier to play and halo is the harder game when it’s a matter of preference. A twitch game can have just as much skill as an arena/tactical but differ in many ways. There can be a list for both games on how they’re noob friendly ten years ago and now and the concept still won’t change. Games don’t pickup large fan bases by being a hard to play game, sorry to put it out there. Yea people buy harder to play games for the challenge, but majority don’t.
I really don’t think anything of the whole cod/halo thing… I didn’t say other Halo games weren’t new player friendly, I just mean this one definitely is new player friendly. And honestly while other Halo games sold really well…nobody seems to acknowledge that today is a different market, with a different customer base and different consumer insterests, Halo just isn’t really in fashion anymore, regardless of how good the game is, or how bad it is, it wouldn’t be as popular as it once was because today is a different market, almost ten years after Halo 3
It’s rich to be told to exept change when the game has reverted to being basic. Saying that the past change was bad wanting to have a more basic halo which is less fun. Halo 5 just removed a ton of stuff and added a few thing.
Halo 5 is halo with all the stuff that changed it removed.