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> > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
> > >
> > >
> > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> > >
> > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
> >
> >
> > Ah yes, CoD is so similar to what it was in 2007. And gaming is completely the same as well.
> >
> > Doom’s success being what exactly? Decent reviews and a PC community that doesn’t really like it?
> >
> > Medal of Honor, Crysis, Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed. Just a list of series that either died, are dying, or had to reboot because of consistently being the same.
>
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> It doesn’t matter what you say. People will only see what they want to see.
>
> Many here like to hate on H4, and what an embarrassment it was to Halo and how broken the MP was and how small the online population is. All of that makes is terrible right … except that it was the best selling Halo in the US for its time (beating Halo 3).
>
> That was before Halo 5, because according to MS Halo 5 has that crown now.
>
> But they are all terrible because those guys say they are and everyone else is stupid for having any other logic or reasoning.
If you are to provide a link, at least read it.
Halo 4 only had more sales than Halo 3 over their respective launch year… Maybe should I add that in 2007, there were about 15 millions Xbox 360 sold, versus more than 50 millions in 2012.
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> I know this topic has been talked about a lot but I think we needed these changes. Halo 5 as everyone knows is completely different than CE, halo 2, or 3. Halo CE came out in 2001 if the player base was in high school they would be around 30 something by now. Halo 2 came out in 2004 player base would be around their mid 20s . Halo 3 came out in 2007 the player base now would be in their early 20s or late teens. These are just averages assuming the minimum age to buy halo but there are younger players I was playing halo 2 at the age of 10 but as people get older they grow out of playing xbox daily most original people who played halo ce doesn’t play anymore now it’s the new generation and if they stuck with the old way of playing other games like Titan fall, battle field, and call of duty would get these new players instead of halo because they are going to ask “would I rather jog around a map and shoot or jump across building slide in for a kill with a shot gun?” (And yes I realize the old halos took more skill I’ve played them) what I’m saying is it sounds a lot cooler and more fun to player halo 5 than previous halos and without new players halo will eventually die and some might say well at that point maybe it should and I’ve got to disagree. either way you wouldn’t play halo whether there is a new halo or not but some people enjoy the route halo is going. I’m not saying people who don’t like the way halo 5 has no right to have an opinion I’m saying no one wants to play the same game rapped in a different skin every couple of years unless for some reason you are still complaing that bungie should still be making halo but they would probably be doing the same thing I mean look at destiny so I think bungies halo 4 and 5 would be pretty similar to 343. To end this ill just say I like bungie and 343 both I’ve never judged any game based on who made it. Bungie did a good job with all the halos they have made but that era of gaming is over its time to accept and adapt if you want to continue playing future halos or accept and move on and stop blaming 343 because halo 5 is so different cause they did listen to the community with this one.
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> > > > > > > > Change is good, but not change that completely reinvents the game. Halo 1-Reach had change, but asides from Reach (to a certain extent), they never tried to reinvent Halo. 343i have reinvented the game twice already.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 343i just needed to build off of Halo 2 or 3, and we would have been good.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes EXACLTY, simple things like:
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> > > > > > > -Buff base movement speed to 120% (no sprint)
> > > > > > > -Thruster pack, maybe ground pound
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There that’s all that was needed to make the halo 3 formula “faster”. No need to change the whole game just to accomodate sprint…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed and for all people who think no sprint makes a game play slow, look at Doom. The game plays far, far faster than Halo 5 but wait, it doesn’t have sprint!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. I like sprint in Halo 5 but it wasn’t “needed”.
> > > > >
> > > > > I love Doom, it doesn’t have sprint and it’s perfectly fine. It’s not needed and it does play way faster than Halo 5
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes precisely. Good to see the two of you understand this basic concept atleast.
> > > >
> > > > I don’t “hate” sprint, it works fine in games like Battlefield, where the maps were already large to begin with. But in Halo, simply increasing base speed works far better, as there is no need to accomodate it by changing the map, adding Spartan charge to prevent the double Melee issue from reach, energy shields while sprinting ect etc. So much of Halos gameplay was changed just so we can have this run animation, when 343 could have simply buffed the base speed, without negatively affecting everything else.
> > >
> > >
> > > 343 did a frikken survey with everyone who played the H5 beta and over 70 percent said to keep sprint in the game.
> >
> >
> > Survey? What survey? I’ve been with the feedback system for over a year and I received no such survey asking about sprint. That’s just what they tell you, it was more than likely a selective survey. They also said that “mlg pros” wanted sprint…yet if you watch HCS they hardly ever use it, they would benefit far more from increased base speed. But sure, proceed with parroting what 343 tells you instead of countering my points.
>
>
> So what, we believe that these super soldiers walk around like they have to check out the scenery of their environment?
No, I believe in gameplay>lore or ‘realism’. Besides, you did not address my point of increasing base speed, you instantly assume I want to move around slowly, which is in fact the opposite. Having sprint makes you move around slower, when in arena especially, as it’s a stupid idea to sprint around the map with your weapon down. Hence why the players in the HCS rarely ever used it.
Plus, if you are going to use that arguement, why can’t we prone? Why can’t we cover peek? Why can’t we shoot around a wall? Why are we wasting hundreds of hours in a simulation? Why are Spartans buying packs to get ‘cool’ items?
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> > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
> > >
> > >
> > > That’s what seems so crazy to me. Obviously people can like Halo’s current direction, that’s fine, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Halo wouldn’t have continued on being just about as popular as it was (or maybe slightly less so).
> > > There are even a few examples highlighting why it actually would’ve been better off sticking to its roots rather than “modernizing” it like they did. Examples like CoDs success despite sticking with the same basic gameplay and now with Dooms success acting as the perfect parallel to what Halo should’ve done this whole time. There is no reason whatsoever for the drastic changes, all people have are unsupported assumptions.
> >
> >
> > Ah yes, CoD is so similar to what it was in 2007. And gaming is completely the same as well.
> > Doom’s success being what exactly? Decent reviews and a PC community that doesn’t really like it?
> > Medal of Honor, Crysis, Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed. Just a list of series that either died, are dying, or had to reboot because of consistently being the same.
>
>
> It doesn’t matter what you say. People will only see what they want to see.
> Many here like to hate on H4, and what an embarrassment it was to Halo and how broken the MP was and how small the online population is. All of that makes is terrible right … except that it was the best selling Halo in the US for its time (beating Halo 3).
> That was before Halo 5, because according to MS Halo 5 has that crown now.
> But they are all terrible because those guys say they are and everyone else is stupid for having any other logic or reasoning.
Halo 5’s sales included console, controller and REQ sales added in. It did not sell more or faster than either Halo 3 or 4.
4 had the advantage of the highest xbox install base when it launched. Both Halo 4 and 5 have seen huge sales and population drop off after launch. They have seen that drop off because of the quality of the games.
That’s not us saying the games are bad, that’s the entire wider gaming community.
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> maybe with more content for halo 5, or maybe in halo 6 they will listen to the community.
it would be cool if in the future, 343 would create a ballot box, where you write what you want added, and if a certain amount of people agree than the request for new content is granted
Don’t tell me we need change
we were fine with halo 1-3, nobody wanted a change but only light changes enough to make a game feel different in a way which halo 1-3 perfected
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> People don’t want to play basic games with consistent gameplay and slow pacing, yet somehow Battlefield is still going strong?
battlefield, is my most played, and favorite shooter series, i can confidently say, each battlefield has been considerablity different then the last, and battlefield 4 is more fast paced then battlefield 3 which is faster the bad company 2, which is faster then bad company.
on topic, no people don’t want to play, sprint-less,SLOW paced, ARENA shooters in 2016.
halo has never had consistent gameplay from game to game? halo 3 is different then halo 2, halo reach is different from halo 3, halo 4 different from reach, and now halo 5 is different then 4. THAT, is why myself, and i can bet you others, buy halo, because they know unlikely call of duty, they will be getting a completly different experience then the last game they brought. the same people who hated halo 4, bought halo 5 because they knew it would be vastly different, just like the people who hate halo 5, will buy halo 6.
i feel they went SLIGHTLY overboard with the thrust packs, and the SPARTAN charge. but no, halo 5 is probably the second best halo mutiplayer
EDIT: by no one, i mean the masses, not the obvious halo die-hards.
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> > > > > > > > > > Yeah because Halo 4 and 5 are defiantly the best in everyone’s eyes, not to mention Halo 5 didn’t sell great. Look at games like CS:GO and the new DOOM, Halo doesn’t need sprint or obnoxious abilities to be popular. This kind of stuff is driving away a BIG chunk of the community, exactly what CoD is going through right now with Infinite Warfare. I don’t know why you’re bringing age into this, Halo had a perfect formula, it set standards, it made trends.
> > > > > > > > > > Now Halo hides in the shadows and follows formulas and trends from other shooters. Just because there’s equal starts in multiplayer doesn’t exactly mean it feels like Halo.
> > > > > > > > > > If that were the case, Gears of War and Unreal Tournament also “FEEL JUST LIKE CLASSIC HALO MULTIPLAYER :D”
> > > > > > > > > > Halo at this point is pretty much Call of Duty with precision reticles and longer TTK.
> > > > > > > > > > People like you keep making the argument “Halo needs to change/evolve, or it will die.” It kills me when people say that, you know why? Because THAT’S when the downfall of Halo started, when it changed. Ever since Reach, Halo has lost A TON of popularity and no longer has the golden, respected throne it once had.
> > > > > > > > > > Ever since Halo started “evolving” it also keeps losing casuals and fans.
> > > > > > > > > > I love Halo, and that’s why I criticize it. You can’t love something and not criticize it, right?
> > > > > > > > > > Halo’s never going to go back to it’s golden state until it gets a hold of itself.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Halo gained popularity with Reach, which is one of the reasons why the terrible Halo 4 sold so well. Halo 5 sold poorly because the xbox one isn’t as popular as the xbox and xbox 360 were back when the older games were released and also because Halo 4 was very bad. #Facts
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > Lmao at your “facts”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lol you know why Halo Reach sold well? Because of the popularity of H3. #Facts
> > > > > > > Halo started going downhill with their cookie cutter “evolving” gamplay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes Halo Reach sold well because of H3, never denied that, but while Halo gained most of its popularity with each of the first three games, it undeniably continued to gain popularity after the release of Halo Reach, albeit to a much lesser extent than any of the first three.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also do you know why Halo 4 sold so well? (Somehow better than Halo 2) Because of the popularity of Reach. #Facts
> > > > > > The main reason for the drop of Halo’s popularity has been the past two games have been on an unpopular console. I believe Halo 4 and MCC also contributed to its harsh downfall.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Reach sold less - at launch and overall - than Halo 3 (despite many more 360’s being sold), it was received not as well critically and had a massive population drop off within the first year (7th place in activity behind THREE CoD games). What makes you think Reach was more popular than Halo 3?
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m starting to think you’re a Reach kid that wasn’t aware of any of this and is just making assumptions.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never said Reach was more popular than Halo 3, but I said it gained popularity because it outsold the two titles that came before it as well as every other Halo game besides Halo 3.
> > > >
> > > > Halo Reach did have a population drop off after the first year, but most games have much larger dropoffs than Halo Reach.
> > > >
> > > > Halo Reach was more critically acclaimed than Halo 3, sorry but it’s true, get your facts straight and stop spewing bullYoink! to get get your point across.
> > > >
> > > > P.S. if you read my previous posts in this topic you would’ve seen me state Halo 3 was my favourite of the entire series.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Halo 3 has a higher metacritic rating than Reach, so Halo 3 was received better critically. Sorry. Do you even attempt to look up things you claim as fact?
> > >
> > > 2. You said Halo gained more popularity after Reach. Nothing about Reach suggests that. Not sales, not population and not critical acclaim. So why specifically do you think Halo gained popularity after Reach’s release.
> >
> >
> > 1. That’s a single site and the overall rating is 4.5 for both games, every other site favours Halo Reach, do you even attempt to look up your arguements?
> >
> > 2. Halo 4 sold more than a combination of the sales of the two games that followed Halo 3. Hmm… Not to mention the HUGE drop off in sales directly after Halo 3.
> >
> > Halo 3 to Halo Reach lost 2.3 MILLION sales while Halo Reach to Halo 4 didn’t even lose a quarter of million. There’s you facts, I can’t wait for another pathetic response.
>
>
> 1. You obviously don’t know what Metacritic is.
>
> 2. What are you even talking about? Halo 4 sold more than both games after Halo 3? So Halo 4 sold more than itself and Reach? Seriously, those words put together in a sentence don’t make any sense.
>
> Right, the sales got lower every time. You’re only proving my point.
Massive dropoff after Halo 3, nearly nonexistent dropoff after Reach, and btw neither Reach or Halo 4 were one of the 2 games that were released after Halo 3. There were 2 games made between Halo 3 and Halo Reach, know your stuff troll, you’re just driving my point home with your ignorance.
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> I know this topic has been talked about a lot but I think we needed these changes. Halo 5 as everyone knows is completely different than CE, halo 2, or 3. Halo CE came out in 2001 if the player base was in high school they would be around 30 something by now. Halo 2 came out in 2004 player base would be around their mid 20s . Halo 3 came out in 2007 the player base now would be in their early 20s or late teens. These are just averages assuming the minimum age to buy halo but there are younger players I was playing halo 2 at the age of 10 but as people get older they grow out of playing xbox daily most original people who played halo ce doesn’t play anymore now it’s the new generation and if they stuck with the old way of playing other games like Titan fall, battle field, and call of duty would get these new players instead of halo because they are going to ask “would I rather jog around a map and shoot or jump across building slide in for a kill with a shot gun?” (And yes I realize the old halos took more skill I’ve played them) what I’m saying is it sounds a lot cooler and more fun to player halo 5 than previous halos and without new players halo will eventually die and some might say well at that point maybe it should and I’ve got to disagree. either way you wouldn’t play halo whether there is a new halo or not but some people enjoy the route halo is going. I’m not saying people who don’t like the way halo 5 has no right to have an opinion I’m saying no one wants to play the same game rapped in a different skin every couple of years unless for some reason you are still complaing that bungie should still be making halo but they would probably be doing the same thing I mean look at destiny so I think bungies halo 4 and 5 would be pretty similar to 343. To end this ill just say I like bungie and 343 both I’ve never judged any game based on who made it. Bungie did a good job with all the halos they have made but that era of gaming is over its time to accept and adapt if you want to continue playing future halos or accept and move on and stop blaming 343 because halo 5 is so different cause they did listen to the community with this one.
I’m sorry but I can’t form a reply based upon purely frabritcated information. However, I do recognise your opinion and for the most part can reason with your line of thinking.
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> > > > > I don’t understand how people make these threads and take themselves seroosuly. It is an undeniable fact that the halo population in halo 2, halo 3, and even halo reach is far superior than every halo game made by 343i that included all these changes. And no the core fan base getting older is just a lame excuse to try and give 343i a pass. Fact is their games just suck compared to previous halo games. Worse sales numbers, worse population stats… There is literally zero evidence to suggest otherwise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That’s because bungies fan boys can’t get the yoink out of their yoink
> > >
> > >
> > > No, it’s because Halo fans aren’t all allied by the brand name…and just want a good Halo game, it just happens to be that 343i has been doing a pretty bad job so far. People who only cared about Bungie…tend to move onto Bungie related games like Destiny but in the end 343i are the ones that are managing Halo so they’ve got a lot to learn before they can please a majority of the fans.
> >
> >
> > How is removing or reimagining all the crappy gameplay mechanics from Reach and 4 and refocusing the game on map/power weapon control “a bad job”? 5 is much closer to 3, but people are so blinded by their nostalgia that they can’t see past the Sprint, Spartan Charge, and Clamber to notice.
>
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> Going back to the fundamental concept of even starts doesn’t in itself suddenly make Halo 5 the best Halo of all time.
I never said it was the best Halo of all time. I just said it’s the closest to 3, which in my opinion makes it the best Halo game in years.
It also shows that 343i knows that they screwed up with 4 and want to do better. I’m definitely interested to see where they take Halo 6’s gameplay. Hopefully it’s mainly tweaks of Halo 5’s gameplay so that they can spend the rest of the time making maps and other content for the game that will actually be there at launch.
You make some good points. I started halo late wasted so much cash on packs I feel very in the middle with halo. I mean if we pay the cash shouldn’t we get the goods? The req system ate 25$ from me for a pack and never registered and the req system makes it really hard to even know what you have half time or most in a full lobby for WZ , you get booted opening packs. So usually can only open packs at end of the day it’s to big a risk. With all this technology and the downfall of MCC I would hope a lot more updates are to come. I was a diamond playing champions in slayer then a 66 playing 140-150s full teams in WZ. Wish they were more balanced like the old days you earned your level off skill not just grindIng. Teams use to go off skill now companies basically ask do you have family if they are hardcore haha so I pick my family first and because I do so, I will never get the same things even if I spend more because I don’t play 10-18 hour days like some adults do. Before though when I played in h3 I earned my 50 legit and played on it. These days its another grinders game now so they seem to put it on same level as any other FPS which lost my interest because well then you have more
options and halo is no longer as unique to me in my opinion coming from middle school when I played CE now married and working I don’t think i would be offended if my kids grow up playing other games I don’t blame them they are all the same it seems. In my opinion
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> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah because Halo 4 and 5 are defiantly the best in everyone’s eyes, not to mention Halo 5 didn’t sell great. Look at games like CS:GO and the new DOOM, Halo doesn’t need sprint or obnoxious abilities to be popular. This kind of stuff is driving away a BIG chunk of the community, exactly what CoD is going through right now with Infinite Warfare. I don’t know why you’re bringing age into this, Halo had a perfect formula, it set standards, it made trends.
> > > > > > > > > > > Now Halo hides in the shadows and follows formulas and trends from other shooters. Just because there’s equal starts in multiplayer doesn’t exactly mean it feels like Halo.
> > > > > > > > > > > If that were the case, Gears of War and Unreal Tournament also “FEEL JUST LIKE CLASSIC HALO MULTIPLAYER :D”
> > > > > > > > > > > Halo at this point is pretty much Call of Duty with precision reticles and longer TTK.
> > > > > > > > > > > People like you keep making the argument “Halo needs to change/evolve, or it will die.” It kills me when people say that, you know why? Because THAT’S when the downfall of Halo started, when it changed. Ever since Reach, Halo has lost A TON of popularity and no longer has the golden, respected throne it once had.
> > > > > > > > > > > Ever since Halo started “evolving” it also keeps losing casuals and fans.
> > > > > > > > > > > I love Halo, and that’s why I criticize it. You can’t love something and not criticize it, right?
> > > > > > > > > > > Halo’s never going to go back to it’s golden state until it gets a hold of itself.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Halo gained popularity with Reach, which is one of the reasons why the terrible Halo 4 sold so well. Halo 5 sold poorly because the xbox one isn’t as popular as the xbox and xbox 360 were back when the older games were released and also because Halo 4 was very bad. #Facts
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lmao at your “facts”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lol you know why Halo Reach sold well? Because of the popularity of H3. #Facts
> > > > > > > > Halo started going downhill with their cookie cutter “evolving” gamplay.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes Halo Reach sold well because of H3, never denied that, but while Halo gained most of its popularity with each of the first three games, it undeniably continued to gain popularity after the release of Halo Reach, albeit to a much lesser extent than any of the first three.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also do you know why Halo 4 sold so well? (Somehow better than Halo 2) Because of the popularity of Reach. #Facts
> > > > > > > The main reason for the drop of Halo’s popularity has been the past two games have been on an unpopular console. I believe Halo 4 and MCC also contributed to its harsh downfall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reach sold less - at launch and overall - than Halo 3 (despite many more 360’s being sold), it was received not as well critically and had a massive population drop off within the first year (7th place in activity behind THREE CoD games). What makes you think Reach was more popular than Halo 3?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’m starting to think you’re a Reach kid that wasn’t aware of any of this and is just making assumptions.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I never said Reach was more popular than Halo 3, but I said it gained popularity because it outsold the two titles that came before it as well as every other Halo game besides Halo 3.
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo Reach did have a population drop off after the first year, but most games have much larger dropoffs than Halo Reach.
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo Reach was more critically acclaimed than Halo 3, sorry but it’s true, get your facts straight and stop spewing bullYoink! to get get your point across.
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. if you read my previous posts in this topic you would’ve seen me state Halo 3 was my favourite of the entire series.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Halo 3 has a higher metacritic rating than Reach, so Halo 3 was received better critically. Sorry. Do you even attempt to look up things you claim as fact?
> > > >
> > > > 2. You said Halo gained more popularity after Reach. Nothing about Reach suggests that. Not sales, not population and not critical acclaim. So why specifically do you think Halo gained popularity after Reach’s release.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. That’s a single site and the overall rating is 4.5 for both games, every other site favours Halo Reach, do you even attempt to look up your arguements?
> > >
> > > 2. Halo 4 sold more than a combination of the sales of the two games that followed Halo 3. Hmm… Not to mention the HUGE drop off in sales directly after Halo 3.
> > >
> > > Halo 3 to Halo Reach lost 2.3 MILLION sales while Halo Reach to Halo 4 didn’t even lose a quarter of million. There’s you facts, I can’t wait for another pathetic response.
> >
> >
> > 1. You obviously don’t know what Metacritic is.
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> > 2. What are you even talking about? Halo 4 sold more than both games after Halo 3? So Halo 4 sold more than itself and Reach? Seriously, those words put together in a sentence don’t make any sense.
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> > Right, the sales got lower every time. You’re only proving my point.
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> 1. Massive dropoff after Halo 3, nearly nonexistent dropoff after Reach, and btw neither Reach or Halo 4 were one of the 2 games that were released after Halo 3. There were 2 games made between Halo 3 and Halo Reach, know your stuff troll, you’re just driving my point home with your ignorance.
What had a massive drop off after Halo 3?
Are you talking about ODST and Halo Wars? Because if so, then I’m going to have to take my leave from your stupidity show-and-tell project, because it’s become to much for me. Or maybe you’re just 12 years old and don’t know how any of this works. Either way.
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> > > > > > > > Change is good, but not change that completely reinvents the game. Halo 1-Reach had change, but asides from Reach (to a certain extent), they never tried to reinvent Halo. 343i have reinvented the game twice already.
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> > > > > > > > 343i just needed to build off of Halo 2 or 3, and we would have been good.
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> > > > > > > Yes EXACLTY, simple things like:
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> > > > > > > -Buff base movement speed to 120% (no sprint)
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> > > > > > > There that’s all that was needed to make the halo 3 formula “faster”. No need to change the whole game just to accomodate sprint…
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> > > > > > Agreed and for all people who think no sprint makes a game play slow, look at Doom. The game plays far, far faster than Halo 5 but wait, it doesn’t have sprint!
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> > > > > I agree. I like sprint in Halo 5 but it wasn’t “needed”.
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> > > > > I love Doom, it doesn’t have sprint and it’s perfectly fine. It’s not needed and it does play way faster than Halo 5
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> > > > Yes precisely. Good to see the two of you understand this basic concept atleast.
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> > > > I don’t “hate” sprint, it works fine in games like Battlefield, where the maps were already large to begin with. But in Halo, simply increasing base speed works far better, as there is no need to accomodate it by changing the map, adding Spartan charge to prevent the double Melee issue from reach, energy shields while sprinting ect etc. So much of Halos gameplay was changed just so we can have this run animation, when 343 could have simply buffed the base speed, without negatively affecting everything else.
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> > > 343 did a frikken survey with everyone who played the H5 beta and over 70 percent said to keep sprint in the game.
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> > Survey? What survey? I’ve been with the feedback system for over a year and I received no such survey asking about sprint. That’s just what they tell you, it was more than likely a selective survey. They also said that “mlg pros” wanted sprint…yet if you watch HCS they hardly ever use it, they would benefit far more from increased base speed. But sure, proceed with parroting what 343 tells you instead of countering my points.
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> So what, we believe that these super soldiers walk around like they have to check out the scenery of their environment?
Yes? Have you seen real special forces today move? They don’t move at dead sprint from point a to point b. They move carefully, check their corners, keep grouped up, and survey their surroundings. Chief used to operate like a real spec ops troop. Now he feels like he is running a marathon.
I miss the halo3 guardians map that was my favourite map I would love it if they brought a remake of that map out for Team Slayer for free for all id be a happy gamer and wouldn’t care much for the change do you guys think the halo3 guardian map would fit in with halo5 ?
