I don’t know if this is common knowledge, and I apologize if it is, but since I never see anyone bring this point up, I am going to make a thread about it.
The BR is more balanced than you think.
To demonstrate this, I set up a test in forge world. The purpose was to test the kill times of the BR and DMR when damage had been taken by the opposing player. To quantify damage, I measured the amount in number of bullets from an AR taken by an opposing player before he or she was shot with either the BR or DMR. So for example, I would shoot the opposing player with 7 AR bullets, then take out a BR and measure how many trigger pulls at the head it took to kill the player, then I would repeat the test using the DMR. Here are the results:
1 AR - BR:4sk/DMR:5sk
2 AR - BR:4sk/DMR:5sk
3 AR - BR:4sk/DMR:4sk
4 AR - BR:3sk/DMR:4sk
5 AR - BR:3sk/DMR:3sk
6 AR - BR:2sk/DMR:3sk
7 AR - BR:2sk/DMR:2sk
8 AR - BR:1sk/DMR:2sk
9 AR - BR:1sk/DMR:2sk
10 AR - BR:1sk/DMR:1sk
Furthermore, an opposing player taking damage from 1 frag grenade going off at a distance equal to 1 warthog (front to back) is able to be killed in 4 shots from the BR but 5 from the DMR.
What this shows is that in mid range to CQC situations where team shotting and grenade damage comes into play, the BR gains a significant advantage over the DMR. Thus, for fights occuring within the BR’s range, a skilled player using the BR who is good with grenades should be able to defeat a skilled player using the DMR even if that player is also good with grenades.
I am not advocating one gun being better than the other, but I definitely think this information is worth considering when choosing a gun, and I think it also explains why myself and others have had so much success using the BR even though its general kill time at full shields is slower than the DMR. Food for thought, I guess.
The BR has 3 bullets per fire (and as far as I know the DMR and the BR have almost identical fire rates), while the DMR has 1 bullet. The ONE advantage that weapons like the BR and Carbine have over weapons like the DMR and Light Rifle is that there are more bullets protruding from the weapon to hit the player with no shields in the head, while you have fewer opportunities to do so with the DMR and Light Rifle.
That still doesn’t mean that the DMR isn’t the best weapon to use competitively, considering it has accuracy and power combined. The BR is horrid in long-range battles. The DMR, however, is great for long range AND medium and short range battles.
Just remember that it takes one bullet from any accurate-rated weapon to kill a non-shielded player.
> The BR has 3 bullets per fire (and as far as I know the DMR and the BR have almost identical fire rates), while the DMR has 1 bullet. The ONE advantage that weapons like the BR and Carbine have over weapons like the DMR and Light Rifle is that there are more bullets protruding from the weapon to hit the player with no shields in the head, while you have fewer opportunities to do so with the DMR and Light Rifle.
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> That still doesn’t mean that the DMR isn’t the best weapon to use competitively, considering it has accuracy and power combined. The BR is horrid in long-range battles. The DMR, however, is great for long range AND medium and short range battles.
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> Just remember that it takes one bullet from any accurate-rated weapon to kill a non-shielded player.
Oh I know. Your first point is why I think the BR will dominate SWAT when it comes out next week. But yes, the DMR certainly has its advantages. I just think people tend to only focus on those instead of looking at what the other guns have to offer.
um the light rifle actually fires 3 shots and no one is arguing that the DMR does more damage, its being argued that it should have bloom or less fire rate because of its sniper rifle type range
> The BR has 3 bullets per fire (and as far as I know the DMR and the BR have almost identical fire rates), while the DMR has 1 bullet. The ONE advantage that weapons like the BR and Carbine have over weapons like the DMR and Light Rifle is that there are more bullets protruding from the weapon to hit the player with no shields in the head, while you have fewer opportunities to do so with the DMR and Light Rifle.
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> That still doesn’t mean that the DMR isn’t the best weapon to use competitively, considering it has accuracy and power combined. The BR is horrid in long-range battles. <mark>The DMR, however, is great for long range AND medium and short range battles.</mark>
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> Just remember that it takes one bullet from any accurate-rated weapon to kill a non-shielded player.
That depends on the skill of the player. And the truth is, not everybody is a living Aim-bot.
> What you aren’t taking into account is the rate of fire. DMR just kills faster, at any range. Easy enough to tell through testing.
As I understand it (and this number could have changed since I last checked), the kill time of the BR is 1.8 seconds and the DMR is 1.6. This appears small enough that the BR should be able to get off 4 shots before the DMR can fire 5.
I agree with your findings op. That’s the reason people feel the BR is an amazing group weapon because it does better while in groups. It just tears through shields and health once the little bit of damage is done to the enemy.
> I agree with your findings op. That’s the reason people feel the BR is an amazing group weapon because it does better while in groups. It just tears through shields and health once the little bit of damage is done to the enemy.
Exactly. Skilled teams on small to mid size maps would be wise to choose the BR. Whereas skilled teams on large maps or single players with a lone wolf play style would likely choose the DMR.