The Big thread on the Mark VII, Chief's new suit

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Ok I did a lot of analysis on the Chief’s new armor. There are two huge common misconceptions on why we see the Chief wearing new armor.

  1. The Mark VI armor has nanites that can upgrade the armor while in cryo.
  2. The suit IS the Mark VI, it’s just received a visual upgrade.

The problem with #1 is that someone appears to have misread Glasslands. Glasslands states that the new MJOLNIR suit, the Mark VII, has some nano-technological components which repairs the suit from minor damage. The suit can also upgrade it’s software while in cryo. No other suit can do this. Even so, the armor can’t change it’s entire appearance.

The problem with #2 is that 343i has stated that there is a canonical reason as to why he is wearing new armor. link

The biggest problem with these two is due to the reveal trailer. link
It seems people jumped to conclusions based off a teaser.
Now take a look at these teasers:
Halo: CE
[Halo 2[/url
Halo 3
Halo Wars
Halo 3: ODST

I couldn’t find a good Reach trailer so we’ll stick to these.
All of these trailer feature the same elements. The events do not appear in the game the way they’re portrayed in the game, or they are very similar to a cutscene from the game.
People seemed to have forgotten this and assumed that the teaser trailer is exactly what’s going to happen.

Something that people also seem to forget about is a special scene from Halo: Legends, Origins Part 1 and 2.
Frank O’Connor has said numerous times that Cortana is 7 years old in Halo 4. She was born in 2549. This places the game in late 2556-2557.
We see that in 2556, that the Chief is wearing Mark VI armor while in cryo. link. This proves that he is wearing Mark VI by the time he wakes up.

Here’s a lineup of the various armor systems. I don’t see how the new armor is the Mark VI.
Now let’s take a look at the Spartan-IV armor. link
From what I can tell, that was explained in a previous thread, that it is the same armor that the Chief is wearing. It just has a different Helmet, Shoulder pads, buttplate, etc.
Now there’s supposedly some sort of canonical reason for Multiplayer. Either way, Spartan-IVs appear to be wearing the same armor the Chief is wearing, although with those mentioned different parts. I doubt that they were wearing Mark VI that had upgraded itself at the same time as the Chief’s armor did at different locations.

Halsey’s Journal mentions the Mark VII. Glasslands confirms that the Mark VII was made and was already being used by 2553.
Now Spartan-IVs are stationed on the UNSC Infinity, a prototype ship made up of Forerunner tech. It’s shown that the UNSC Infinity is in Halo 4 at PAX.

Now what does all of this mean?
*The Chief’s armor is NOT the Mark VI (visual upgrade or nanites)
*The new armor is without a doubt the Mark VII](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojjVDdtB8g)

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I like to think they just showed MK VI in the teaser so we could see it. Regardless I like the new armor.

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The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.

I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.

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> The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.
>
> I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.

Exactly. Based off of Halsey’s Journal, the Mark VII can do much more than what VI could do. It’s just a way better suit. Also wouldn’t it be a bit unfair that the highest ranking Spartan doesn’t get the new and improved armor while lower ranking Spartans get it.

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> > The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.
> >
> > I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.
>
> Exactly. Based off of Halsey’s Journal, the Mark VII can do much more than what VI could do. It’s just a way better suit. Also wouldn’t it be a bit unfair that the highest ranking Spartan doesn’t get the new and improved armor while lower ranking Spartans get it.

Um… if i remember Fred got a field promotion at the end of Ghosts of Onyx. I can’t remember what his new rank is, but he definitely outranks chief at the moment. And i don’t see chief getting a promotion, cause then he wouldn’t be the chief. Also, we run into the problem of how exactly did chief get his hands on the new armor. I had heard that this is in fact a visually updated Mk 6, potentially with some with some upgrades (the could have been replacement parts on the dawn, for example). No nano machines needed.

Proof? look at the scaring on the chest plate. its possible that he got upgrades, but some of the main components, like the chest piece, are a simple graphical update. he will probably get new armor at some point in the series, but what we have seen for now is most likely Mk. 6.

It is also possible that the trailer is 100% non cannon and the final model is scaring free, in which case it would be new armor. we cannot see the chest plate clearly in any of the new screenshots. that said, the screenshots show the armor being scratched up rather bad, so again, probably not all new.

Just telling you what I’ve seen and heard.

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> > > The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.
> > >
> > > I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.
> >
> > Exactly. Based off of Halsey’s Journal, the Mark VII can do much more than what VI could do. It’s just a way better suit. Also wouldn’t it be a bit unfair that the highest ranking Spartan doesn’t get the new and improved armor while lower ranking Spartans get it.
>
> Um… if i remember Fred got a field promotion at the end of Ghosts of Onyx. I can’t remember what his new rank is, but he definitely outranks chief at the moment. And i don’t see chief getting a promotion, cause then he wouldn’t be the chief. Also, we run into the problem of how exactly did chief get his hands on the new armor. I had heard that this is in fact a visually updated Mk 6, potentially with some with some upgrades (the could have been replacement parts on the dawn, for example). No nano machines needed.
>
> Proof? look at the scaring on the chest plate. its possible that he got upgrades, but some of the main components, like the chest piece, are a simple graphical update. he will probably get new armor at some point in the series, but what we have seen for now is most likely Mk. 6.
>
> It is also possible that the trailer is 100% non cannon and the final model is scaring free, in which case it would be new armor. we cannot see the chest plate clearly in any of the new screenshots. that said, the screenshots show the armor being scratched up rather bad, so again, probably not all new.
>
> Just telling you what I’ve seen and heard.

Wow no links.
Let me enlighten you.

  1. The armor from the teaser was not finished and has changed quite a bit since it was released.
  2. Nowhere did 343i, Frank O’Connor, etc. say that it’s the Mark VI.
  3. The UNSC did promote the Chief. They promoted him posthumously to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, the highest enlisted rank of the UNSC Navy. Now I don’t know if commissioned officers technically outrank enlisted, but as far as I can tell the Chief still outranks Fred.
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I believe you posted this before…

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> Ok I did a lot of analysis on the Chief’s new armor. There are two huge common misconceptions on why we see the Chief wearing new armor.
> 1. The Mark VI armor has nanites that can upgrade the armor while in cryo.
> 2. The suit IS the Mark VI, it’s just received a visual upgrade.
>
> The problem with #1 is that someone appears to have misread Glasslands. Glasslands states that the new MJOLNIR suit, the Mark VII, has some nano-technological components which repairs the suit from minor damage. The suit can also upgrade it’s software while in cryo. No other suit can do this. Even so, the armor can’t change it’s entire appearance.
>
> The problem with #2 is that 343i has stated that there is a canonical reason as to why he is wearing new armor. link
>
> The biggest problem with these two is due to the reveal trailer. link
> It seems people jumped to conclusions based off a teaser.
> Now take a look at these teasers:
> Halo: CE
> [Halo 2[/url
> Halo 3
> Halo Wars
> Halo 3: ODST
>
> I couldn’t find a good Reach trailer so we’ll stick to these.
> All of these trailer feature the same elements. The events do not appear in the game the way they’re portrayed in the game, or they are very similar to a cutscene from the game.
> People seemed to have forgotten this and assumed that the teaser trailer is exactly what’s going to happen.
>
>
> Something that people also seem to forget about is a special scene from Halo: Legends, Origins Part 1 and 2.
> Frank O’Connor has said numerous times that Cortana is 7 years old in Halo 4. She was born in 2549. This places the game in late 2556-2557.
> We see that in 2556, that the Chief is wearing Mark VI armor while in cryo. link. This proves that he is wearing Mark VI by the time he wakes up.
>
> Here’s a lineup of the various armor systems. I don’t see how the new armor is the Mark VI.
> Now let’s take a look at the Spartan-IV armor. link
> From what I can tell, that was explained in a previous thread, that it is the same armor that the Chief is wearing. It just has a different Helmet, Shoulder pads, buttplate, etc.
> Now there’s supposedly some sort of canonical reason for Multiplayer. Either way, Spartan-IVs appear to be wearing the same armor the Chief is wearing, although with those mentioned different parts. I doubt that they were wearing Mark VI that had upgraded itself at the same time as the Chief’s armor did at different locations.
>
> Halsey’s Journal mentions the Mark VII. Glasslands confirms that the Mark VII was made and was already being used by 2553.
> Now Spartan-IVs are stationed on the UNSC Infinity, a prototype ship made up of Forerunner tech. It’s shown that the UNSC Infinity is in Halo 4 at PAX.
>
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>
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> Now what does all of this mean?
> *The Chief’s armor is NOT the Mark VI (visual upgrade or nanites)
> *The new armor is without a doubt the Mark VII
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One of the few halo community members with a -Yoinking!- brain.
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> I applaud you greatly, sir!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojjVDdtB8g)

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Personally, I’m not sold on the Chief having Mark VII.

343 have said that while their is a canonical reason for the changes, it is also artistic license. To me, that sounds as though while there are some in universe reasons for the armour having a modified design, it doesn’t mean it is a completely new suit.

More recently they have also said that the Spartan IVs will play like the Chief, however, there will be a number of multiplayer only additions, perhaps indicating a different version of the armour that gives the SIVs abilities the Chief does not have.

Finally, way back last year, we were told that Halo 4 isn’t the first time Chief has left cryo since Halo 3. Now if they’re still drifting in space, the Chief and Cortana could not have linked up with any UNSC forces. Why then would he leave the cryo tube? Considering all the Chief’s Mark VI went through, it’s highly likely is has sustained some damage. I believe that Cortana could have been working on ideas to repair the suit with what they had available. Once she worked it out, she woke up Chief and they made the makeshift repairs.

Now, all that said, I’m not against it being Mark VII but with the information available at the moment, it seems quite possible that it is Mark VI. When I see the Halo 3 and 4 armour side by side, they look very similar to me.

Criticise me if you will, but based on current information this is what I believe.

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Also I feel that there is a small possibility that Engineers may have tampered with his armor. Seeing is it that he will be in a Forerunner Shield World, there’s bound to be some in there. That though wouldn’t explain how some pieces became bigger, changed color, etc. As far as I can tell Engineers simply modify and reconfigure stuff. I doubt they could make his shoulder pieces larger.

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> > > The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.
> > >
> > > I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.
> >
> > Exactly. Based off of Halsey’s Journal, the Mark VII can do much more than what VI could do. It’s just a way better suit. Also wouldn’t it be a bit unfair that the highest ranking Spartan doesn’t get the new and improved armor while lower ranking Spartans get it.
>
> Um… if i remember Fred got a field promotion at the end of Ghosts of Onyx. I can’t remember what his new rank is, but he definitely outranks chief at the moment. And i don’t see chief getting a promotion, cause then he wouldn’t be the chief. Also, we run into the problem of how exactly did chief get his hands on the new armor. I had heard that this is in fact a visually updated Mk 6, potentially with some with some upgrades (the could have been replacement parts on the dawn, for example). No nano machines needed.
>
> Proof? look at the scaring on the chest plate. its possible that he got upgrades, but some of the main components, like the chest piece, are a simple graphical update. he will probably get new armor at some point in the series, but what we have seen for now is most likely Mk. 6.
>
> It is also possible that the trailer is 100% non cannon and the final model is scaring free, in which case it would be new armor. we cannot see the chest plate clearly in any of the new screenshots. that said, the screenshots show the armor being scratched up rather bad, so again, probably not all new.
>
> Just telling you what I’ve seen and heard.

first not trying to be rude but a field promotion is completely different then a regular promotion. and his ranking is still lower then master chiefs.

That’s a major point we don’t know how he gets it we don’t know how he get the new rocket pistol or another weapon there’s just alot of stuff we need to wait for before we fully know but given all the information given i think its not the exact same armor he has at the end of Halo 3. obviously there more then enough time for something to happen between halo3 and halo 4 (5 years) were something could have happened.
the scaring as far as i could tell from the ViDoc footage didnt have the scaring on his chest this is just coincidence.

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I THINK THE HALO FOR ARMUR SHOUD BE BLUE

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> Personally, I’m not sold on the Chief having Mark VII.
>
> 343 have said that while their is a canonical reason for the changes, it is also artistic license. To me, that sounds as though while there are some in universe reasons for the armour having a modified design, it doesn’t mean it is a completely new suit.
>
> <mark>More recently they have also said that the Spartan IVs will play like the Chief</mark>, however, there will be a number of multiplayer only additions, perhaps indicating a different version of the armour that gives the SIVs abilities the Chief does not have.
>
> Finally, way back last year, we were told that Halo 4 isn’t the first time Chief has left cryo since Halo 3. Now if they’re still drifting in space, the Chief and Cortana could not have linked up with any UNSC forces. Why then would he leave the cryo tube? Considering all the Chief’s Mark VI went through, it’s highly likely is has sustained some damage. I believe that Cortana could have been working on ideas to repair the suit with what they had available. Once she worked it out, she woke up Chief and they made the makeshift repairs.
>
> Now, all that said, I’m not against it being Mark VII but with the information available at the moment, it seems quite possible that it is Mark VI. When I see the Halo 3 and 4 armour side by side, they look very similar to me.
>
> Criticise me if you will, but based on current information this is what I believe.

Gameplay and design choice as to not confuse the player when he plays both Campaign and Multiplayer.

As for me? I’ll be engrossed in the Campaign months before i bother with Multiplayer.

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> > > > The armor shown in the trailer was an early version of the Mark VII. It wasn’t the Mark VI. The best look at the armor is at the end of the trailer, but you can clearly see the current design taking shape.
> > > >
> > > > I also applaud the OP. Far too often I see people blindly posting things they know nothing about and making false assumptions. So often I see people saying he woke up with the armor and saying it has nanomachines. Which it doesn’t, as you have clearly stated. I’ve also seen people on here who keep saying that he doesn’t need new armor. In my opinion, he needs it. If the new threat is either the Precursors or the Forerunners, Precursors most likely, then he is gonna need a serious upgrade if he hopes to stand a chance.
> > >
> > > Exactly. Based off of Halsey’s Journal, the Mark VII can do much more than what VI could do. It’s just a way better suit. Also wouldn’t it be a bit unfair that the highest ranking Spartan doesn’t get the new and improved armor while lower ranking Spartans get it.
> >
> > Um… if i remember Fred got a field promotion at the end of Ghosts of Onyx. I can’t remember what his new rank is, but he definitely outranks chief at the moment. And i don’t see chief getting a promotion, cause then he wouldn’t be the chief. Also, we run into the problem of how exactly did chief get his hands on the new armor. I had heard that this is in fact a visually updated Mk 6, potentially with some with some upgrades (the could have been replacement parts on the dawn, for example). No nano machines needed.
> >
> > Proof? look at the scaring on the chest plate. its possible that he got upgrades, but some of the main components, like the chest piece, are a simple graphical update. he will probably get new armor at some point in the series, but what we have seen for now is most likely Mk. 6.
> >
> > It is also possible that the trailer is 100% non cannon and the final model is scaring free, in which case it would be new armor. we cannot see the chest plate clearly in any of the new screenshots. that said, the screenshots show the armor being scratched up rather bad, so again, probably not all new.
> >
> > Just telling you what I’ve seen and heard.
>
> Wow no links.
> Let me enlighten you.
> 1. The armor from the teaser was not finished and has changed quite a bit since it was released.
> 2. Nowhere did 343i, Frank O’Connor, etc. say that it’s the Mark VI.
> 3. The UNSC did promote the Chief. They promoted him posthumously to Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, the highest enlisted rank of the UNSC Navy. Now I don’t know if commissioned officers technically outrank enlisted, but as far as I can tell the Chief still outranks Fred.

wow link: http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/Games/Detail/halo-4-master-chief-gallery/8c0254fc-3dc5-464e-b9ef-0c6c924abcab#imageNumber=1

1: I’m looking at the screenshots that were released last week (see above link)
2: I dont recall them saying its Mark 7 either. Canonical reason doesn’t necessarily mean full upgrade.
3: Commissioned officers ALWAYS outrank enlisted. http://www.militaryfactory.com/ranks/navy_ranks.asp Masterchief is the highest enlisted rank, but ANY commissioned officer outranks him. Halo is an American game, and as far as i can tell the military ranks are based off of the American system, which is still similar to those used in many of the countries.

@Deltaunthink Its true that we don’t know what happened after the field promotion and wether or not it was upheld. i hadnt thought of that. and it is true that we have no idea what happened. that still doesn’t mean we can immediately assume it is Mk. 7. different armor doesn’t necessarily mean its fully Mk. 7. Just Saying.

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> obviously there more then enough time for something to happen between halo3 and halo 4 (5 years) were something could have happened.

Like what? He only has 90 minutes (at the max) of air to breathe. We have no idea on how long he was knocked unconscious from the Portal collapsing. I doubt that there would have been a place on the Dawn that could have changed his armor, let alone even have the materials for it.
Also Halo 4 takes place in between late 2556-2557 due to Frank O’Connor stating several times that Cortana is 7 years old. So 3 years.

The Chief received NEW armor in Halo 2 that honestly doesn’t look very similar to it’s CE counterpart. (Mark V and VI.)
Why would 343i put the Mark VII into the canon if the Chief isn’t going to wear it?
The UNSC is going to have a presence in Halo 4, I’m sure that’s where he gets his new armor (UNSC Infinity.)

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If the MkVII is supposed to be brand new, why does it have the SAME battle damage on the right side of the chest as the MkVI at the end of Halo 3?

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> > Personally, I’m not sold on the Chief having Mark VII.
> >
> > 343 have said that while their is a canonical reason for the changes, it is also artistic license. To me, that sounds as though while there are some in universe reasons for the armour having a modified design, it doesn’t mean it is a completely new suit.
> >
> > <mark>More recently they have also said that the Spartan IVs will play like the Chief</mark>, however, there will be a number of multiplayer only additions, perhaps indicating a different version of the armour that gives the SIVs abilities the Chief does not have.
> >
> > Finally, way back last year, we were told that Halo 4 isn’t the first time Chief has left cryo since Halo 3. Now if they’re still drifting in space, the Chief and Cortana could not have linked up with any UNSC forces. Why then would he leave the cryo tube? Considering all the Chief’s Mark VI went through, it’s highly likely is has sustained some damage. I believe that Cortana could have been working on ideas to repair the suit with what they had available. Once she worked it out, she woke up Chief and they made the makeshift repairs.
> >
> > Now, all that said, I’m not against it being Mark VII but with the information available at the moment, it seems quite possible that it is Mark VI. When I see the Halo 3 and 4 armour side by side, they look very similar to me.
> >
> > Criticise me if you will, but based on current information this is what I believe.
>
> Gameplay and design choice as to not confuse the player when he plays both Campaign and Multiplayer.

I am aware of that, the part you highlighted was not the important part of that statement.

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> If the MkVII is supposed to be brand new, why does it have the SAME battle damage on the right side of the chest as the MkVI at the end of Halo 3?

What damage?
Looks pretty similar to this

The pictures you see with the damage could have been an old look for the armor. 343i could have scrapped it.

See? The look of that armor has changed a bit in detail since then.

Now I watched the Behind the Scenes video and I didn’t even see a glimpse of damage. This could be a mere dropped concept to try to do some connection between the old armor and the new.

Also like I said before, he could possibly get that damage (if it stays) in the campaign.

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well, I guess he must have new armor. I just seen the damage on his chest and thought it had to be MkVI. Im really curious as to why they had it earlier and now its gone. At least I know for sure now

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> > > Personally, I’m not sold on the Chief having Mark VII.
> > >
> > > 343 have said that while their is a canonical reason for the changes, it is also artistic license. To me, that sounds as though while there are some in universe reasons for the armour having a modified design, it doesn’t mean it is a completely new suit.
> > >
> > > <mark>More recently they have also said that the Spartan IVs will play like the Chief</mark>, however, there will be a number of multiplayer only additions, perhaps indicating a different version of the armour that gives the SIVs abilities the Chief does not have.
> > >
> > > Finally, way back last year, we were told that Halo 4 isn’t the first time Chief has left cryo since Halo 3. Now if they’re still drifting in space, the Chief and Cortana could not have linked up with any UNSC forces. Why then would he leave the cryo tube? Considering all the Chief’s Mark VI went through, it’s highly likely is has sustained some damage. I believe that Cortana could have been working on ideas to repair the suit with what they had available. Once she worked it out, she woke up Chief and they made the makeshift repairs.
> > >
> > > Now, all that said, I’m not against it being Mark VII but with the information available at the moment, it seems quite possible that it is Mark VI. When I see the Halo 3 and 4 armour side by side, they look very similar to me.
> > >
> > > Criticise me if you will, but based on current information this is what I believe.
> >
> > Gameplay and design choice as to not confuse the player when he plays both Campaign and Multiplayer.
>
> I am aware of that, the part you highlighted was not the important part of that statement.

Any form of a statement is important, even if it’s not the MAIN proportion of it.