Now before I start, I’m going to include a couple, not very related things to save space on the front page.
The AR does way too much damage to be a starting weapon. It’s what, a 10 bullet kill? It’s even worse with sprint always on, TS and Infinity Slayer quickly become a game of who has the most people going to Sprint+AR+beatdown. It’s the worst in maps like Haven and Solace, with all of the broken and choppy lines of sight. IS is the worst offender, since Haven is always one of the maps up in the rotation to be voted for, and everyone votes for it. Someone rushing with an AR, or Suppressor, should not be able to kill someone with a DMR, BR, or LR at mid/short range. At close-short range, is when it should come to the AR’s niche, and should not be as effective as it is outside of that niche. On maps like Haven, it’s almost a waste using something other than the AR or Suppressor. The people who Sprint+ar+beatdown are always the ones who do the best, and it is just showing how much Halo has devolved since Halo 2. Halo 4’s tag line should have been Combat devolved.
It doesn’t matter how good your strafe or aim is, when the whole game is decided by how many people on your Team are going for the AR+beatdown. Have a perfect shot? Doesn’t matter, guy with an AR just sprinted out of nowhere, and you’re dead before you can even get 3 shots off with your starting weapon of choice. Guy with the AR lives to beatdown another day.
Then there’s the maps that almost promote this type of gameplay. Haven and Solace, I’m looking at you. These maps look nice, but are horribly designed from a gameplay standpoint. There is no flow to either map, especially with dynamic spawns and instant respawns. Games on the, become a rush to the middle, where its an AR+beatdown marathon. Then there’s maps like Complex, where there are many open lines of sight, in addition to more cramped spaces. Maps like Complex are the best designs, giving each starting weapon an area for its niche. People who try to rush the open areas with an AR are likely to get wrecked by someone with an eye of that sight line, and people who wander into a cramped area with a precision weapon probably won’t make it out the other side. Whomever had the idea for a map like that, please give them a raise and get them to start making more maps like that.
Definitely not. The AR can still barely kill enemies inside its range, why make it even worse? Just be more cautious of what is around you, check those corners, and equip stickies.
precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
This doesn’t correspond with any of my experiences. The Assault Rifle is a deadly adversary within its range, but I still manage to get the better of sloppy shooters and I can pick them off from afar with my carbine. So far, it seems to me like the assault rifle is (for the first time) exactly how it should be.
> precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
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> the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
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> Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
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LMFAO can’t tell if trolling or stupid. None of the automatics need nerfed, if anything they need buffed (not the AR in particular). You’re just getting pressured and missing shots, that’s what the automatics are about, grab an AR and try storming down the map and AR + Beatdown people, vs any semi-competent player it won’t work. Stop making threads like this because you got outplayed by people using an AR its a lot harder than it looks.
> This doesn’t correspond with any of my experiences. The Assault Rifle is a deadly adversary within its range, but I still manage to get the better of sloppy shooters and I can pick them off from afar with my carbine. So far, it seems to me like the assault rifle is (for the first time) exactly how it should be.
I’ve had many games where the entire thing starts off with everyone using a precision weapon, but then devolves into ARs everywhere. Why? Because of how much it’s too useful. Especially on maps like Haven.
> > precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
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> > the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
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> > Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
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> i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
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> /thread.
that was sarcasm? because I agree with that also. By the end of reach, i would never play a playlist with radar or shotty / sword / AAs
> > > precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
> > >
> > > the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
> > >
> > > Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
> >
> > i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
> >
> > /thread.
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> that was sarcasm? because I agree with that also. By the end of reach, i would never play a playlist with radar or shotty / sword / AAs
If Halo MM was JUST precision weapons, I would never play it. I love precision weapons, but automatics and weapons like the shotgun and the sword provide some variety.
> > > > precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
> > > >
> > > > the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
> > >
> > > i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
> > >
> > > /thread.
> >
> > that was sarcasm? because I agree with that also. By the end of reach, i would never play a playlist with radar or shotty / sword / AAs
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> If Halo MM was JUST precision weapons, I would never play it. I love precision weapons, but automatics and weapons like the shotgun and the sword provide some variety.
Nope, if you are constantly getting killed by the ar you are doing something very wrong. It does exactly what it is supposed to do, be the close range starting weapon. Beyond that it is trash.
> > > precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
> > >
> > > the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
> > >
> > > Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
> >
> > i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
> >
> > /thread.
>
> that was sarcasm? because I agree with that also. By the end of reach, i would never play a playlist with radar or shotty / sword / AAs
> > > > precision weapons should beat automatic weapons at any range in this game.
> > > >
> > > > the AR should be used for Halo beginners to learn how to move around without going 0-30. If you actually want to compete, you should have to learn how to use a precision weapon.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who argues differently is just defending their bad aim
> > >
> > > i agree remove the shotgun as its not a precision weapon. (sarcasm)
> > >
> > > /thread.
> >
> > that was sarcasm? because I agree with that also. By the end of reach, i would never play a playlist with radar or shotty / sword / AAs
>
> If Halo MM was JUST precision weapons, I would never play it. I love precision weapons, but automatics and weapons like the shotgun and the sword provide less talented players with undeserved kills.