The 343i Loop and it's affect on H5

Hey, so is anyone a little tired of the 343i Loop? It seriously holds alot more water now then it did during Halo 4’s time since that 343i has had time to make alot of choices which are amazing and annoying.

For those of you who don’t know the 343i loop is “Every time 343i makes something awesome they MUST follow it up with something stupid that blocks it out.”. While the 343i Knights ignore these things like a wife denying her abusive husband, the Bungie Boys make each seem like the end times. 343i still seems to make these mistakes with the most recent being releasing memories of reach but no Reach vehicles or weapons coming with the update.

Another community member calls 343i “The Masters of Half-Assing It” to describe the 343i loop. What they do, they do well but they always have that -Yoink- up to make all their hard work useless. Halo 5 without a doubt has the most solid gunpay of any Halo game BUT the worst campaign experience. Just check out the Halo Archive to see what I’m talking about. You’ll see a big ol thread with literally hours worth of reading as a sworn member of the community goes on a rant about the flaws of Halo 5’s story.

Anyone who ignores this man is trying their best to keep that tint in the eyes. Don’t worry he only hits you because he loves you.

So let’s list a few of examples of the 343i Loop for Halo 5.

  1. Introducing Blue Team into a game but limiting them only to 3 missions.
  2. FREE UPDATES that are mostly just microtransaction bait that other people pay for. (I eat the food you pay the bill)
  3. Forge is back and bigger, but you’d have an easier time controlling a drunken bull them operating the new system.
  4. 60 FPS but no split screen. (Go home long time companion, don’t you known modern games choose graphics over gameplay features!)
  5. Uses Firefight to say they’re listening to the fans but they continue to ignore the largest thread on their website asking for the return of playable Elites.
  6. Creating an amazing ad campaign to be ignored at every point in the games story.
  7. Releasing new maps, which just so happen to be remakes of reimagines, remade.

Stopping at 7 for obvious reasons but you get the point. Of course the obvious solution to these would be to have polls. Of course having too much info drop in people’s faces is bad since you want some element of surprise. Taking respected members of the community with high opinions of Halo into a dark room with a 2x4 that has a nail in it to ask them what they want could help alot. I know 343i has their own pro dream team helping them make alot of gameplay decisions but they quickly forgot the commoners POV on alot of things with Halo 5.

Seriously, was the decision to make infection so hated among 343i employees that it needed to be highly requested by the community for it to be added?’

Anyways just having an area on the forums dedicated to 343i getting the opinions of community members who’re in the loop (HA!) to help 343i make some better choices. The Brute Plasma Rifle was so random and uncalled for. It’s a nice addition but annoying to even close at considering weapons such has the Grenade Launcher, Confusion Rifle, Plasma Launcher, Spiker, The Normal Plasma Rifle, Plasma Repeater, Needler Rifle, Target Locator, Focus Rifle and Reach styled Assault Rifle are from reach. It’s not like 343i isn’t okay with releasing conversion skins for weapons, we got the SPNKR and the normal rocket Launcher so what the hell? Why not a Repeater and Storm Rifle?

Of course those members would have to be tight lipped, so that means I’m out sadly but it’d also give 343i some points for just being a better company. To be fair that really isn’t hard with their competition. There’s awhole lot of -Yoinks!- out there so there is a grace with 343i for not being ball bustingly horrible, just mildly frustrating. Mostly because they’re too good to be making these mistakes. They’ve proved their skills, they just need to slow down from time to time.

You speak some truth, but not all of it. People don’t buy microtransactions for the free updates. They buy them to get reqs. Your money just goes to the free updates, the HCS, and halo 6. The food analogy doesn’t work. It should be “you can get some coupons if you pay for the meal, but we all still get meal.”

The forge controls are different and hard to get used to, but ultimately make it easier to forge. Even the controls were actually awful, that wouldn’t overshadow the greatness of halo 5’s forge.

Yah we want elites, but a failure is something you are going to accomplish or want to accomplish but don’t. I don’t see how adding firefight but not elites after launch is a failure.

I’m pretty sure Microsoft handles the ads and from what I’ve heard, 343 were actually mad at Microsoft for releasing misleading ads (before launch of course).

Memories of reach could’ve been better, but there was no way 343 could’ve lived up to the community’s expectations. Then we overhyped it and became dissapointment.

I also hate how people use the “abusive relationship” analogy. 343 puts out a game that we like but still makes some mistakes in the end. How is that an abusive relationship?

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> You speak some truth, but not all of it. People don’t buy microtransactions for the free updates. They buy them to get reqs. Your money just goes to the free updates, the HCS, and halo 6. The food analogy doesn’t work. It should be “you can get some coupons if you pay for the meal, but we all still get meal.”
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> The forge controls are different and hard to get used to, but ultimately make it easier to forge. Even the controls were actually awful, that wouldn’t overshadow the greatness of halo 5’s forge.
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> Yah we want elites, but a failure is something you are going to accomplish or want to accomplish but don’t. I don’t see how adding firefight but not elites after launch is a failure.
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> I’m pretty sure Microsoft handles the ads and from what I’ve heard, 343 were actually mad at Microsoft for releasing misleading ads (before launch of course).
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> Memories of reach could’ve been better, but there was no way 343 could’ve lived up to the community’s expectations. Then we overhyped it and became dissapointment.
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> I also hate how people use the “abusive relationship” analogy. 343 puts out a game that we like but still makes some mistakes in the end. How is that an abusive relationship?

To be fair this wasn’t exactly a measurement of failures but the good and the bad. 343i does some good but in some way their bad overshadows it. In the context of Playable elites, it’s a shame that they have outright ignored that thread. I don’t think a single 343i employee has ever even mentioned it in anyway, they just view it as the Jar Jar Binks of Halo. That is one of the notes of the abusive relationship.

That thread was made months before Halo 4’s release and quickly caught wind, despite it being popular before Halo 4 was released there was still no mention of the thread or any additions on elties into Halo 5 despite there being plenty of time to do so. The Sangheili community has sported 343i thought they’ve done nothing but demonize the Elites and turn them into cannon fodder for their Spartans. I.E Jul not even putting up a fight against Locke and Thel somehow losing the battle at The Council Chamber despite fighting in far worse battles in the past against the Flood and leading a ragtag group of grunts and Elites through several brute encampments and three fully armed defensive stations with weaker armor.

While i do understand the idea of someone else being in control of the ads thus creating a divide but I and many others do find it hard to believe that 343i was completely unaware of what was going on in those ads or Hunt The Truth. I’m also sure they had some power over what went into them. They had to of seen the ads at some point and thought “Hey, that’s not right.”

I’d go over the rest but I’m trying to make this post really fast so sorry for any mistakes. I’ll try to finish it when I get back.

Map design misleading advertising gimmicks horrible campaign are my only gripes lol oh and ugly helmets

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> > You speak some truth, but not all of it. People don’t buy microtransactions for the free updates. They buy them to get reqs. Your money just goes to the free updates, the HCS, and halo 6. The food analogy doesn’t work. It should be “you can get some coupons if you pay for the meal, but we all still get meal.”
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> > The forge controls are different and hard to get used to, but ultimately make it easier to forge. Even the controls were actually awful, that wouldn’t overshadow the greatness of halo 5’s forge.
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> > Yah we want elites, but a failure is something you are going to accomplish or want to accomplish but don’t. I don’t see how adding firefight but not elites after launch is a failure.
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> > I’m pretty sure Microsoft handles the ads and from what I’ve heard, 343 were actually mad at Microsoft for releasing misleading ads (before launch of course).
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> > Memories of reach could’ve been better, but there was no way 343 could’ve lived up to the community’s expectations. Then we overhyped it and became dissapointment.
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> > I also hate how people use the “abusive relationship” analogy. 343 puts out a game that we like but still makes some mistakes in the end. How is that an abusive relationship?
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> To be fair this wasn’t exactly a measurement of failures but the good and the bad. 343i does some good but in some way their bad overshadows it. In the context of Playable elites, it’s a shame that they have outright ignored that thread. I don’t think a single 343i employee has ever even mentioned it in anyway, they just view it as the Jar Jar Binks of Halo. That is one of the notes of the abusive relationship.
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> That thread was made months before Halo 4’s release and quickly caught wind, despite it being popular before Halo 4 was released there was still no mention of the thread or any additions on elties into Halo 5 despite there being plenty of time to do so. The Sangheili community has sported 343i thought they’ve done nothing but demonize the Elites and turn them into cannon fodder for their Spartans. I.E Jul not even putting up a fight against Locke and Thel somehow losing the battle at The Council Chamber despite fighting in far worse battles in the past against the Flood and leading a ragtag group of grunts and Elites through several brute encampments and three fully armed defensive stations with weaker armor.
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> While i do understand the idea of someone else being in control of the ads thus creating a divide but I and many others do find it hard to believe that 343i was completely unaware of what was going on in those ads or Hunt The Truth. I’m also sure they had some power over what went into them. They had to of seen the ads at some point and thought “Hey, that’s not right.”
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> I’d go over the rest but I’m trying to make this post really fast so sorry for any mistakes. I’ll try to finish it when I get back.

We can hope that 343 add elites for halo 6, but they in no way despise elites. If they responded on that thread, it would give people hope. Why give false hope if they were never going to release them? I’m sure many want to, but it would be hard and take a lot of work to balance them and create unique models and armor sets. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it would have to be a main priority and for the past 2 games it hasn’t been their main priority.

As for the ads, I’ve also heard that Microsoft started writing HTT before halo 5 had a solid set in stone story, so they had to basically catch up with HTT. Nobody really knows what goes on between 343 and Microsoft honestly.