It isn’t like you guys should go to Arena and actually adjust weapon settings. The pistol is too weak, it needs a buff (Read this). SR’s and SMG’s spawn to often and kill too fast, lower the aim assist on the sniper, or anything else that would help Arena, where balance matters most.
The pistol is too weak? It takes just as many shots to kill someone with a pistol in arena as it does in WZ. The weapon balance is really good in arena, that’s why they didn’t adjust anything. But they did their research, the stuff they’re fixing actually is a problem. The best fuel rod cannon fires so slow and has si little after effect damage that you’re better off with a PP. And then only realistic way to get kills with the caster is if you actually overcharge stick them.
I thought this was going to be an attaboy. They explained real well how difficult it is to determine weapon effectiveness. Now that they have the methodology, it can be applied to other weapons.
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> The pistol is too weak?
Yes, actually. All the other precision weapons have higher aim assist, while the magnum is probably the only weapon with a skill gap but with a shorter TTK and ROF, but it can’t compete unless the BR/DMR/LR/Carbine player can’t aim.
They finally did some good research.
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> I thought this was going to be an attaboy. They explained real well how difficult it is to determine weapon effectiveness. Now that they have the methodology, it can be applied to other weapons.
I’m not mad that they adjusted REQ stuff, good for the Warzone players, but it just doesn’t seem right when Arena is left untouched when it needs changes desperately.
wow, talk about nit picky, i actually disagree with you on these changes, well except for sniper. Pistol has a faster rate of fire then the BR therefore should require more shots on target to get the kill. Pistol is fine were it is. SMG and AR kill fast at CLOSE range, its pretty easy to stay out of that range.
Alot of people play warzone and the changes they are implementing were needed for that systems weapon balance.
You could be right, you could be wrong but there have been many times I’ve won 1v1s with a pistol vs any other precision weapon and the aim assist in other weapons doesn’t seem to have a huge effect except with the carbine. It’s just my opinion that the weapon balance in arena is pretty solid.
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> wow, talk about nit picky, i actually disagree with you on these changes, well except for sniper. Pistol has a faster rate of fire then the BR therefore should require more shots on target to get the kill. Pistol is fine were it is. SMG and AR kill fast at CLOSE range, its pretty easy to stay out of that range.
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> Alot of people play warzone and the changes they are implementing were needed for that systems weapon balance.
No it shouldn’t. The pistol has the highest skill gap. It should be a 4 shot kill, and this would actually fix a lot of problems with this game. The BR is probably the easiest weapon to get perfects with. The AR’s range is a bit too much, but I never mentioned the AR. And don’t say it’s easy to stay out of range of SR’s and SMG’s, because you really can’t. Most of these maps are camp able, and are smaller. Are you going to say that the SR and SMG don’t get abused on Empire?
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> > wow, talk about nit picky, i actually disagree with you on these changes, well except for sniper. Pistol has a faster rate of fire then the BR therefore should require more shots on target to get the kill. Pistol is fine were it is. SMG and AR kill fast at CLOSE range, its pretty easy to stay out of that range.
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> > Alot of people play warzone and the changes they are implementing were needed for that systems weapon balance.
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> No it shouldn’t. The pistol has the highest skill gap. It should be a 4 shot kill, and this would actually fix a lot of problems with this game. The BR is probably the easiest weapon to get perfects with. The AR’s range is a bit too much, but I never mentioned the AR. And don’t say it’s easy to stay out of range of SR’s and SMG’s, because you really can’t. Most of these maps are camp able, and are smaller. Are you going to say that the SR and SMG don’t get abused on Empire?
Yes because I’ve never had issues with either of those weapons on empire. Or in fact on any map, some people are more skilled with certain weapons than others but the time it takes to land 5hs with a pistol on someone vs 4 with a BR is pretty identical. If they decreased the pistol to a 4hs kill then they would need to drastically lower it’s rate of fire. It’s already on par with the DMR (which also has a 5hs kill) but has almost a faster rate of fire. What you’re asking for is to make the pistol better than every other precision weapon.
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> > > wow, talk about nit picky, i actually disagree with you on these changes, well except for sniper. Pistol has a faster rate of fire then the BR therefore should require more shots on target to get the kill. Pistol is fine were it is. SMG and AR kill fast at CLOSE range, its pretty easy to stay out of that range.
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> > No it shouldn’t. The pistol has the highest skill gap. It should be a 4 shot kill, and this would actually fix a lot of problems with this game. The BR is probably the easiest weapon to get perfects with. The AR’s range is a bit too much, but I never mentioned the AR. And don’t say it’s easy to stay out of range of SR’s and SMG’s, because you really can’t. Most of these maps are camp able, and are smaller. Are you going to say that the SR and SMG don’t get abused on Empire?
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> Yes because I’ve never had issues with either of those weapons on empire. Or in fact on any map, some people are more skilled with certain weapons than others but the time it takes to land 5hs with a pistol on someone vs 4 with a BR is pretty identical. If they decreased the pistol to a 4hs kill then they would need to drastically lower it’s rate of fire. It’s already on par with the DMR (which also has a 5hs kill) but has almost a faster rate of fire. What you’re asking for is to make the pistol better than every other precision weapon.
I’m asking for it to be the best starting weapon with a high skill gap. Lower aim assist and bullet magnetism and bam, a good utility weapon. I’m not trying to stat flame, but you probably don’t see people abusing the SR and SMG’s in Platinum. And no, the kill times for the BR and pistol are not identical. The pistol is outclassed by everything.
Source- Magnum (Head): 1.57, (Body): 2.2
- BR (Head): 1.35, (Body): 2.03
- DMR (Head): 1.4, (Body): 1.67
- Carbine (Head): 1.36, (Body): 1.93
- Light Rifle (Scoped, head): 1.17, (scoped, body): 1.67
- Light Rifle (unscoped, head): 1.23, (unscoped, body): 1.63
The magnum has the longest kill time for a starting weapon. It really can’t compete. Not even going to mention the killtimes on autos…
Definitely a welcome fix.
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> It isn’t like you guys should go to Arena and actually adjust weapon settings. The pistol is too weak, it needs a buff (Read this). SR’s and SMG’s spawn to often and kill too fast, lower the aim assist on the sniper, or anything else that would help Arena, where balance matters most.
Indeed. I agree with all of these.
On a side note I’m excited they are fixing the twin jewels so you can get spartan kills with it.
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> On a side note I’m excited they are fixing the twin jewels so you can get spartan kills with it.
The twin jewels is the one where it shoots in different directions right?
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> > > > wow, talk about nit picky, i actually disagree with you on these changes, well except for sniper. Pistol has a faster rate of fire then the BR therefore should require more shots on target to get the kill. Pistol is fine were it is. SMG and AR kill fast at CLOSE range, its pretty easy to stay out of that range.
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> > > No it shouldn’t. The pistol has the highest skill gap. It should be a 4 shot kill, and this would actually fix a lot of problems with this game. The BR is probably the easiest weapon to get perfects with. The AR’s range is a bit too much, but I never mentioned the AR. And don’t say it’s easy to stay out of range of SR’s and SMG’s, because you really can’t. Most of these maps are camp able, and are smaller. Are you going to say that the SR and SMG don’t get abused on Empire?
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> > Yes because I’ve never had issues with either of those weapons on empire. Or in fact on any map, some people are more skilled with certain weapons than others but the time it takes to land 5hs with a pistol on someone vs 4 with a BR is pretty identical. If they decreased the pistol to a 4hs kill then they would need to drastically lower it’s rate of fire. It’s already on par with the DMR (which also has a 5hs kill) but has almost a faster rate of fire. What you’re asking for is to make the pistol better than every other precision weapon.
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> I’m asking for it to be the best starting weapon with a high skill gap. Lower aim assist and bullet magnetism and bam, a good utility weapon. I’m not trying to stat flame, but you probably don’t see people abusing the SR and SMG’s in Platinum. And no, the kill times for the BR and pistol are not identical. The pistol is outclassed by everything.
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> Source- Magnum (Head): 1.57, (Body): 2.2
> - BR (Head): 1.35, (Body): 2.03
> - DMR (Head): 1.4, (Body): 1.67
> - Carbine (Head): 1.36, (Body): 1.93
> - Light Rifle (Scoped, head): 1.17, (scoped, body): 1.67
> - Light Rifle (unscoped, head): 1.23, (unscoped, body): 1.63
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> The magnum has the longest kill time for a starting weapon. It really can’t compete. Not even going to mention the killtimes on autos…
+1 definitely on board for this change to happen. I’ve played so many games on Empire where I barely even use a full pistol mag because it is pointless.