Teach casual players what Halo means to us...

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I’m punching this in on my phone, so I’ll try to be brief…

To many people it would seem that for Halo 4 to survive on MP, there needs to be a ranked and social playlist. And it seems people agree that you’re either a competitive player, or a casual looky-loo

That’s fine. Whatevs. But I think another slice of the market needs a voice in this also: the casual-competitive market

I am such a player

I play to win, but I don’t have a “team” to practice with. I’ve looked at callout maps, but have neither time nor patience to memorize them. And even if i did, i still have to contend with players who don’t use them, probably because they don’t know or care about callouts.

If a competitive playlist IS formed, I guarantee I’d be out of my depth against the who’s who of Halo fans. Trust me - it’s not fun getting beaten to death with your own shoes.

But i also wouldn’t want to be stuck in a casual playlist with boosters or commendation seekers. At my skill level, however, this is probably where I’d be. At least for a while.

If 343i were to separate the casual from the competitive, I’d like to see them help the casual community become better players; to promote competitive play style WITHOUT needing to form a team or practice tactics and memorize callouts from printed maps

Surely some things could be added to future, if not the current Halo, to help improve the level of competitive play for casuals. For example:

-after a map has been chosen, allow an option to see a birds eye view of the map, marked with pro-level callouts, and team color spawn points. Showing the callouts and 'splaining why they should be used, might be a massive help to casual players who want to play to win

-promote voice chat whenever possible. Even just a message saying something like “plug in your Xbox headset to communicate with other team members, and you might just survive long enough to win”. Basically, 343i - if you promote voice chat in your game, maybe casual players will use it more. Maybe.

-have pro tips and hints show up between screens - maybe even after dying- to give casuals advice which might help them improve their game

-have tool tips for even simple things such as vehicles. When I bought halo 4 there were no instructions. Consequently, it took me a few days to learn how to switch from rapid fire to plasma blast in a Banshee. Yes, I AM that stupid

-describe your specializations better. I had to google what each one did, since the description made no sense regarding what I will actually get

I feel, in my couch-expert analysis point of view, that promoting a competitive style of play to casual players is the key to a better MP experience. I know that competitive players demand more than what I’ve listed, but for me, a casual-competitive, having a team of people who aren’t hardcore, but still have the basic tools to play well (e.g. MIC, callout knowledge) would make Halo MP a much better experience

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100% Agreed!

Motion Carried

and

Session Adjourned.

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I am not a casual but I play for fun, I love Halo and I think of myself a great player on it seeing as how much time I’ve put into playing Halo ever since CE and I have to say I’ve loved each and every Halo; Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, ODST, Reach and 4, I’ve loved them all and not because of ranking or anything of the sort, I’ve loved them because they are fun to play solo or multiplayer and have an amazing universe and story.

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> I am not a casual but I play for fun.

you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.

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> you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.

Read the rest, you don’t have to be a try-hard to not be a casual.

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> If 343i were to separate the casual from the competitive, I’d like to see them help the casual community become better players; to promote competitive play style WITHOUT needing to form a team or practice tactics and memorize callouts from printed maps

dude, what part of casuals don’t want to play competitive do you not understand? casual players don’t want to learn how to play, they just want content. all we casuals want is for custom games to be fixed, action sack to return, firefight to return and the return of the the social playlists where players can play for fun and separate each other from the tryhards., we don’t want to become better players, most casuals don’t have the time for gaming so why would they wanna improve, to improve in halo takes alot of time and effort, casuals don’t care about it, stop judging casuals as noobs who wanna be pro, it is things like that which makes us casuals hate tryhards.

if you’re a competitive player who wants to get big, you need a team, and that goes for any game not just halo 4. you cannot become pro by yourself, you won’t learn anything by playing matchmaking by yourself all day.

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Nice post. I am new to the game. Was a PS3 Black Ops player and kept seeing the cool Halo ads and graphics and decided to pick up an XBOX and give it a try and leave the PS3 to my son.

I loved it right away. The story was interesting so I bought the first novel and I’m reading that. I jumped into multi player a few days ago for the first time. I usually go like 10-15 or something like that but I am defnitely hooked.

But I see, in coming to the forums, how much discontent there is.

Its funny. I’m sure some are upset that a 45 year old with minimal gaming reflexes is able to jump into a multiplayer game and get 10 kills, yet I also see people upset with the poor turnout online.

To me its like your favorite band, they put out a new album with a little different style, it draws a bunch of new fans but the die hards think the band has lost the mojo of the first album. Its tough to do both.

I just think guys like me, who want to come home from work and escape for an hour in a cool environemnt with a great backstory and do some killing online, are an important part of the consumer population for the game to grow.

OUt of curiosity, not talking about this forum now, but of all the people online on a Saturday afternoon for instance, what do you think the percentage breakdown is of casual, competitive, and pro would be?

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> > I am not a casual but I play for fun.
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> you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.

I am a try hard, want to win and is a level 50 MLG, but I play for fun.

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> > you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.
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> Read the rest, you don’t have to be a try-hard to not be a casual.

a competitive player who doesn’t try hard is nonexistant, competitive players want to be at their best 100% of the time and they are going to try hard to do that. though casuals can become decent or even pro players if they manage to acquire the skills through practice but none of them really care about that, some casuals get top on most games because they have skill, basic skill perhaps but skill nontheless, there seems to be a bery small borderline between pro and noob, i’ve never seen anyone been called a decent player before, they either suck -Yoink- or they’re godlike to most of the community.

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> > > I am not a casual but I play for fun.
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> > you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.
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> I am a try hard, want to win and is a level 50 MLG, but I play for fun.
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> I play the game because I like to, but dislike losing.

if you’re idea of fun is winning and you absolutely hate losing, it means that you have an ego problem involving the game, of course everyone dislikes losing but it depends on how you deal with it. casuals don’t like losing either but if they do it’s not the end of the world, competitive players don’t handle losing well, they may be mature about it but deep down they are really pissed off. whereas casuals are more bothered about finding the next game.

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This thread is so dumb.

It’s just a game.

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Most of those that consider themselves competitive are in actuality not very good themselves.

They just want and want and want.

In this case they want a CSR.

And once that their mediocrity is revealed, they will claim that the system is not a true representation on their skills.

I say this as a mediocre player myself.

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Lol, all that -Yoink- about tool tips made me think of this video

No that would just be lame

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Casual players don’t care what “Halo means to us”.
They’re too busy playing casual games on Facebook and the like.

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Some systems can be a bad rep of their skill right now in black ops 2 league play if you want a good solo rank you will need to run with 2 other people or take the chances of getting paired up with someone who just got the game.

As with CSR once you get to that level where you cant go up or down you find that level where you are at at that moment and then try to get past that level.

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> Most of those that consider themselves competitive are in actuality not very good themselves.
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> They just want and want and want.
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> In this case they want a CSR.
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> And once that their mediocrity is revealed, they will claim that the system is not a true representation on their skills.
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> I say this as a mediocre player myself.

Quite the sweeping generalizing statement there bud.

God forbid we have a mechanic that actually encourages players to win rather than just award them xp for competing.

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I am right where you are OP. Great post

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What it seems that players are forgetting is that we are ALL halo players and we should be helping one another so EVERYONE is having a good time playing.

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> This thread is so dumb.
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> It’s just a game.

I will never understand this logic… I know people who feel this way and I know they are serious.

However! There is one big difference.

They dont post on game forums… you do…

If you take time out of your day to come post here why is it dumb for someone to desire to be better at the game and have a great means of doing so?

OT: I think this is a great idea. I would be thrilled for this. Even players that consider themselves “try-hards” like easy ways to learn call-outs. It is a pain having to go find them and then making sure there is a standard. If the standard was set and everyone used the same ones life would be great.

I honestly dont see a reason not to do something like this.

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> > > > I am not a casual but I play for fun.
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> > > you’re a casual then, casuals play for fun, people just see casuals as noobs who are bad and barely play the game, those people are wrong, i’m casual and i hate what they did with halo 4.
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> > I am a try hard, want to win and is a level 50 MLG, but I play for fun.
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> > I play the game because I like to, but dislike losing.
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> if you’re idea of fun is winning and you absolutely hate losing, it means that you have an ego problem involving the game, of course everyone dislikes losing but it depends on how you deal with it. casuals don’t like losing either but if they do it’s not the end of the world, competitive players don’t handle losing well, they may be mature about it but deep down they are really pissed off. whereas casuals are more bothered about finding the next game.

Can you stop categorizing players like that? Competetive players are people who have an urge to compete, but that doesn’t mean they can’t accept a loss. It’s not a rule that they have to be pissed off when they are losing. You can be good or bad at the game, but as long as you feel the urge to compete, you are a competetive player. Humans are competetive by nature and they will try to win some stuff sometime.

I’m a good example of this. I am really bad at Fifa, but also want to win. But then again, I don’t care if I lose because my intentions was never to become good in Fifa. In Halo on the other I hand I want to become the best, I want to win and I can become a little grumpy if I lose. Thus, It’s more about the goals you have set for yourself. If you can’t reach them, you will get angry. Not if you are a competetive player or not.