The GDP panel was -Yoink-, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. " we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before". This was not said, what was said was, " we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before". I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
Also I seem to remember them saying pre launch that they wanted to make the game appeal to a wider audience. That’s known information. If they really thought this now would we have gotten team throwdown? This community needs read between the lines more. In the gad damn qna they said they valued the competitive side of halo. Pretty much proves that this community only hears what it want to hear. So sick of this fan base.
Regardless of what was said, at least this has sparked a fire. 343i has no choice now but to listen and improve Halo 4 and the future of the franchise.
I support 343i and will continue to support them so long as they continue to listen.
> The GDP panel was Yoink!, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. " we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before". This was not said, what was said was, " we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before". I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
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> The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
They need to choose their words carefully. Right now, what 343i needs to do is issue an apology to their fans and if they can, explain themselves further. I am still an avid fan of Halo but what I have learned from this panel has slightly disheartened me.
Agreed they need to put out the accidental fire they started. Hopefully the bulletin addresses some things and calms the forums down.
Dude just stop. 343 has failed us. They failed Halo. You aren’t going to get awarded a shiny metal for defending this disgrace.
So you’re all blaming the casuals again…
> Dude just stop. 343 has failed us. They failed Halo. You aren’t going to get awarded a shiny metal for defending this disgrace.
So you’re just going to be a blind hater, and hate everything even the ground they stand on just because you or someone else misunderstood what they said, and you’re too cool to own up to your own mistake?
Carl, if you feel this strongly about their mistake, why are you still here? why even bother posting on the forums? Why not let those of us who can see the bigger picture and understand and/or willing to admit we misunderstood what they said, keep going about life with our own opinions.
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> Dude just stop. 343 has failed us. They failed Halo. You aren’t going to get awarded a shiny metal for defending this disgrace.
I’m looking at the way it was meant to be looked at. I’m sorry I’m not like you and spin words to spread negativity and hate. Good job, you have no life, maybe you should stop.
> > Dude just stop. 343 has failed us. They failed Halo. You aren’t going to get awarded a shiny metal for defending this disgrace.
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> So you’re just going to be a blind hater, and hate everything even the ground they stand on just because you or someone else misunderstood what they said, and you’re too cool to own up to your own mistake?
> Carl, if you feel this strongly about their mistake, why are you still here? why even bother posting on the forums? Why not let those of us who can see the bigger picture and understand and/or willing to admit we misunderstood what they said, keep going about life with our own opinions.
Do you know him lol?
> So you’re all blaming the casuals again…
Nope. I consider myself a casual player and what was said was absurd. I’ve tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and they went and proved most the haters right. They can do the stuff they’re talking about without cutting out everyone else. Campaign and the story should be separate from multi-player.
Yes it was taken slightly out of context. Still that it was even there thought process in making multiplayer alarms me.
You dont alienate past fans in an attempt to draw in the CoD kids, who wont stick with a game longer then a week if it doesnt have CoD in the title.
And if that is the mentality of halo 5 as well it will be just as bad if not worse.
> The GDP panel was Yoink!, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. <mark>" we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before"</mark>. This was not said, what was said was, <mark>" we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before"</mark>. I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
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> The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
I fail to see the difference. To me, it looks exactly the same.
Watering the game down so everyone can be a winner.
> The GDP panel was Yoink!, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. " we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before". This was not said, what was said was, <mark>" we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before".</mark> I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
At the expense of balance? I don’t see that being a good idea. When I first started playing Halo’s multiplayer, I wasn’t very good. But I improved, began to understand the map layout and then got to use the power weapons. Now you don’t even have to try because Personal Ordinance and Random Ordinance.
> The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
I don’t remember many people asking for what 343i implemented. I do remember a lot of people asking for a 1-50 rank system with a progression system to unlock armor and such. Not a 1-50 system only available on Waypoint months after the game launched.
> Regardless of what was said, at least this has sparked a fire. 343i has no choice now but to listen and improve Halo 4 and the future of the franchise.
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> I support 343i and will continue to support them so long as they <mark>continue</mark> to listen.
THIS…
[apparently I have to add more than one word otherwise the mods will say it’s spam, so this should do - it’s a wonderful community this, isn’t it?]
EDIT: I wouldn’t say ‘continue’, as much as ‘start to’.
> > The GDP panel was Yoink!, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. <mark>" we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before"</mark>. This was not said, what was said was, <mark>" we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before"</mark>. I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
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> > The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
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> I fail to see the difference. To me, it looks exactly the same.
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> Watering the game down so everyone can be a winner.
Than you fail to use common sense also. Read what comes after bub.
Hey Did you guys ever wonder why all the quitters of Halo are still here?
> > The GDP panel was Yoink!, I’m not in denial of that, but people here are taking what was said out of context. " we want to help players get power weapons they would’ve never gotten before". This was not said, what was said was, <mark>" we want to give players an opportunity to earn power weapons they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to use before".</mark> I see a difference. They wanted to give players a new way of earning weapons. Earning is the key word here. They were talking about a new way of doing it. Making easy or hard is irrelevant. Also this whole event was past tense, they were talking about the dev process for halo 4, not what the future of halo is going to be.
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> At the expense of balance? I don’t see that being a good idea. When I first started playing Halo’s multiplayer, I wasn’t very good. But I improved, began to understand the map layout and then got to use the power weapons. Now you don’t even have to try because Personal Ordinance and Random Ordinance.
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> > The progression system was not a lie either, they were basing that on multiple sites. People WERE asking bungie to take halo 3s system further, and they did with reach. 343 just shortened it and added unlocks. This was not a good panel, but its not as bad as everyone here thinks it is.
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> I don’t remember many people asking for what 343i implemented. I do remember a lot of people asking for a 1-50 rank system with a progression system to unlock armor and such. Not a 1-50 system only available on Waypoint months after the game launched.
They didn’t intentionally mess up on balancing. Your also only counting waypoint as feedback. Read what I wrote, that’s why we have the progression system. One more thing, STOP -Yoinking!- ABOUT THE RANKING SYSTEM, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW IT WORKS. It’s on waypoint to stop cheating, deal with it, your lucky your getting it at all.
> Hey Did you guys ever wonder why all the quitters of Halo are still here?
No and I never cared about them either.
> They didn’t intentionally mess up on balancing. Your also only counting waypoint as feedback. Read what I wrote, that’s why we have the progression system.
Do you have evidence that the system 343i implemented was exactly was a majority of people wanted?
> One more thing, <mark>STOP -Yoinking!- ABOUT THE RANKING SYSTEM, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW IT WORKS.</mark> It’s on waypoint to stop cheating, deal with it, your lucky your getting it at all.
Only that it is on Waypoint and will reset periodically. Neither of which I personally think are ideal.
> > They didn’t intentionally mess up on balancing. Your also only counting waypoint as feedback. Read what I wrote, that’s why we have the progression system.
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> Do you have evidence that the system 343i implemented was exactly was a majority of people wanted?
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> > One more thing, <mark>STOP -Yoinking!- ABOUT THE RANKING SYSTEM, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW IT WORKS.</mark> It’s on waypoint to stop cheating, deal with it, your lucky your getting it at all.
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> Only that it is on Waypoint and will reset periodically. Neither of which I personally think are ideal.
It tracks your rank across different playlists. Same as halo 3. Also halo 2 had resetting ranks.