This game has it’s faults. There are many things that could have been done differently and there is much room for improvement.
This link is here for people that believe that everything in this game needs to go back to the way it was in Halo 2 and/or 3.
Nostalgia is a great thing, but it can also blind us and make us very stubborn to any sort of change whether it be new story direction and music, getting rid of old favorites, or even simply changing the sound of a gun when it fires.
Thought I’d link this article so people can have a good read. I did not write the article in the link and I take no credit but I agree with the writer.
funny thing though. Halo 4 isn’t the same halo as 2 or 3. Its not all nostalgia.
Its just a modernized version thats ripped off from other popular games. Those games the author chose as exaples might have changed drastically but they kept what made those games great. Sonic is still fast and jumps around alot. Mario may get a new move but he is still jumping on heads and beating bowser. I can’t even think of a modern day shooter that has strayed as far from its roots as halo has.
And you need to take of the blinders and look at the game in comparison to previous Halo games.
Somebody mentioned that Gears has also changed a lot and gone away from it’s roots, and that it’s a good thing. They were right, but only because Gears sucked from a MM perspective and needed to be changed. Halo never sucked, and never needed to change. That’s where the backlash comes from.
Innovation in the form of gamemodes and storyline are good, but changing the core of the game and making it play like something it’s not doesn’t work. It’s like it you took a Camaro and tried to give it a 4 cylinder engine. it’s still the same car but everyone will hate it.
It’s not that we have nostalgia vision, it’s that the gameplay of Halo 2 and 3 didn’t need to be fixed. It wasn’t broken. Reach broke it, then Halo 4 took those pieces and broke them into smaller pieces.
Halo 1-3 was a nice, beautiful vase. Reach shattered it, and H4 stomped on the pieces with some pretty heavy boots.
> And you need to take of the blinders and look at the game in comparison to previous Halo games.
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> Somebody mentioned that Gears has also changed a lot and gone away from it’s roots, and that it’s a good thing. They were right, but only because Gears sucked from a MM perspective and needed to be changed. Halo never sucked, and never needed to change. That’s where the backlash comes from.
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> Innovation in the form of gamemodes and storyline are good, but changing the core of the game and making it play like something it’s not doesn’t work. It’s like it you took a Camaro and tried to give it a 4 cylinder engine. it’s still the same car but everyone will hate it.
I said that this game has it’s faults. It’s clearly in dire need of improvement but all I see on the forums besides the usual -Yoink- is “We need the Halo 1 menu theme back!”, “I want the battle rifle to sound like Halo 3 BR!”, “I don’t like the campaign because the music is different and Master Chief talks too much!”.
BTW, Gears had really solid multiplayer until judgment came along. Judgment is an embarrassment and cheap cash in on loyal fans with no passion put into it.
Halo 4, while still with its flaws, is a solid game that had a lot of heart and soul put into it.
I agree that Halo 4 should be more like the previous Halos and not because of nostalgia. Don’t you understand that 343i knows they could have just wrapped up Halo 3 in Halo 4 graphics and just called it a day? That would have been the safest bet and everyone would be eating it up and putting 343i on a pedestal for all their hard work.
> This game has it’s faults. There are many things that could have been done differently and there is much room for improvement.
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> This link is here for people that believe that everything in this game needs to go back to the way it was in Halo 2 and/or 3.
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> Nostalgia is a great thing, but it can also blind us and make us very stubborn to any sort of change whether it be new story direction and music, getting rid of old favorites, or even simply changing the sound of a gun when it fires.
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> http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6794352266
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> Thought I’d link this article so people can have a good read. I did not write the article in the link and I take no credit but I agree with the writer.
sir i would put on my flamesuit if i were you, you did the unthinkable…you remembered that bungie made mistakes! “runs away yelling about how bungie is perfect in every way and 343 somehow made reach”
We’re not upset because its change in general. We’re upset because its change for the worse. And also, 343 is changing things that never needed to be changed… Im looking at you sangheili design!
The nostalgia argument is a cop-out reply which holds no substance. 'Nowdays it’s used so much by gamers that anything wanted from the past appears to be always chalked up to “nostalgia” even if it’s beneficial.
The reason: stereotypes. Because of those that put arguments forward wanting redundant things back from past games (I’m not saying they don’t happen, they do), there are some that perceive that the reason anyone who wants any of the old stuff back, is doing it solely because of nostalgia.
Players who stereotype using the nostalgia argument are ruining gaming.
> The nostalgia argument is a cop-out reply which holds no substance. 'Nowdays it’s used so much by gamers that anything wanted from the past appears to be always chalked up to “nostalgia” even if it’s beneficial.
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> The reason: stereotypes. Because of those that put arguments forward wanting redundant things back from past games (I’m not saying they don’t happen, they do), there are some that perceive that anyone who wants old stuff back, is solely because of nostalgia.
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> Players who stereotype using the nostalgia argument are ruing gaming.
For me it’s not nostalgia its simply mechanics. Halo 4 has horrible mechanics I hate how sticky my reticle is there is no strafing. Movement just feels clunky. And halo 2 and 3 mechanics just felt right you had to actually aim with weapons and the movement felt smooth and if I got out gunned it was because the other guy was better not just because he seen me fire and got the first shot
> > The nostalgia argument is a cop-out reply which holds no substance. 'Nowdays it’s used so much by gamers that anything wanted from the past appears to be always chalked up to “nostalgia” even if it’s beneficial.
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> > The reason: stereotypes. Because of those that put arguments forward wanting redundant things back from past games (I’m not saying they don’t happen, they do), there are some that perceive that anyone who wants old stuff back, is solely because of nostalgia.
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> > Players who stereotype using the nostalgia argument are ruing gaming.
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> Read my examples before you judge me.
Never in my post did I accuse you of being one who stereotypes. I was speaking in a general sense.
> > > The nostalgia argument is a cop-out reply which holds no substance. 'Nowdays it’s used so much by gamers that anything wanted from the past appears to be always chalked up to “nostalgia” even if it’s beneficial.
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> > > The reason: stereotypes. Because of those that put arguments forward wanting redundant things back from past games (I’m not saying they don’t happen, they do), there are some that perceive that anyone who wants old stuff back, is solely because of nostalgia.
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> > > Players who stereotype using the nostalgia argument are ruing gaming.
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> > Read my examples before you judge me.
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> Never in my post did I accuse you of being one who stereotypes. I was speaking in a general sense.
Sorry to have lashed out thanks for clearing that up.
If halo 4 were more like previous halo games, would I have put on the so-called “nostalgia-goggles” in the first place?
343i didnt have to scrap the old stuff just for the new stuff, they could have kept the old stuff and added the new stuff in too. Isnt a sequel supposed to be the last game in the series + more new stuff anyways? At least, thats pretty much what halo 2 was to halo ce and halo 3 to halo 2. Bungie added, and they altered, but never flat out removed.
Nostalgia goggles are one thing, but explaining away people’s complaints when the old thing is genuinely better than the new thing as simply being “nostalgia goggles”, is just so much worse.