As we all know, SWAT can be the pinnacle for some halo players. And can also be one’s favorite game type (me included). Unfortunately, developers (I’m assuming, correct me if I’m wrong) decided to introduce a second loud out which can replace the DMR with the BR. I know many will agree, and I’m more than aware that many will also disagree with what I’m saying. However, continuing my point, I find the BR takes away the skill that was required in previous online Halo SWAT games. I’ve tested the BR vs the DMR and can say the skill level for using the BR is way lower due to it not only being a 3 round burst, but, if your aimed slightly too left or right of your opponent, the other 2 bullets will more than likely hit. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched kill-cams to see they didn’t even aim. Which pisses me off to no end. Excuse the language to those who would be offended.
To the point: The BR should be removed from the load out option in the SWAT game-type. Who else agrees? Open for all opinions.
P.S. If your going to argue against my opinion, please do not say it’s easier to get kills. There has got to be something more strategic and/or a plus/negative against the DMR.
No. The BR is more effective close range. Thats the way its always been. The pistol is limited, its dead on aim and insane fire rate drives me nuts. The DMR turns swat into a game of snipers. God forbid i take a step out into the open without an enemy sniping me from his spawn. With the DMR its a game of shoot from the spawn. Halo 3 swat was strategic. You had invade parts of the map using basic swat skills, not just shoot the guy from across the map once.
> > OMG IF YOU KNEW WHERE SWAT STARTED YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE DMR SHOULD NOT BE IN SWAT THE BR SHOULD BE THE ONLY GUN IN IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE
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> lol you should remember that the halo CE pistol and the H 2 BR worked just like H4 DMR, both were single shot death machines.
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> H2 BR only had an animation to look like it was burst firing. In actuality all 3 shots were either hit or miss, unliek the H3 and H4 BR.
you fail to read BR he said the BR not the DMR yes before it was like the DMR but it was called the BR so saying take the BR out is like saying take master chief out of halo. they just go together that way
No. SWAT is the (IMO) only place where the DMR and BR are relatively balanced. DMR is good mid to long range, BR is good at close range. However, I think the DMR is better because its hip fire range is ridiculously long and you hardly ever need to zoom in. Honestly, I think that the pistol is pretty OP in SWAT. It shoots ridiculously fast, is just as powerful as the DMR and BR, and and only has half the bloom it had in Reach. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten a ridiculous multikill that I wouldn’t have gotten with a DMR.
no offense, but SWAT was made for the BR no for just the DMR
i don’t have problems having both, but if one of this guns deserves to be out of SWAT more than the other, definetly the one that needs to go out is the DMR.
lol BR less skill? please, the magnetism for DMR sometimes is ridiculous.
some DMR shoulder shots can trasform into headshots, by not saying that u don’t even need to scope with the DMR some times.
> As we all know, SWAT can be the pinnacle for some halo players. And can also be one’s favorite game type (me included). Unfortunately, developers (I’m assuming, correct me if I’m wrong) decided to introduce a second loud out which can replace the DMR with the BR. I know many will agree, and I’m more than aware that many will also disagree with what I’m saying. However, continuing my point, I find the BR takes away the skill that was required in previous online Halo SWAT games. I’ve tested the BR vs the DMR and can say the skill level for using the BR is way lower due to it not only being a 3 round burst, but, if your aimed slightly too left or right of your opponent, the other 2 bullets will more than likely hit. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched kill-cams to see they didn’t even aim. Which pisses me off to no end. Excuse the language to those who would be offended.
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> To the point: The BR should be removed from the load out option in the SWAT game-type. Who else agrees? Open for all opinions.
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> P.S. If your going to argue against my opinion, please do not say it’s easier to get kills. There has got to be something more strategic and/or a plus/negative against the DMR.
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the BR has been around for more SWAT games then the DMR.
Kill cams are broken and do not tell what happened properly.
I fail to see how anyone can make an argument about skill when both weapons get the same aim assist and you only have to aim slightly above for kills.
SWAT is a game of fast reflexes not skill. It’s a who fires first wins kind of gametype. If you like SWAT then more power to you. But don’t try to say something is more skillful in a gametype that’s only about reflexes.
> > As we all know, SWAT can be the pinnacle for some halo players. And can also be one’s favorite game type (me included). Unfortunately, developers (I’m assuming, correct me if I’m wrong) decided to introduce a second loud out which can replace the DMR with the BR. I know many will agree, and I’m more than aware that many will also disagree with what I’m saying. However, continuing my point, I find the BR takes away the skill that was required in previous online Halo SWAT games. I’ve tested the BR vs the DMR and can say the skill level for using the BR is way lower due to it not only being a 3 round burst, but, if your aimed slightly too left or right of your opponent, the other 2 bullets will more than likely hit. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched kill-cams to see they didn’t even aim. Which pisses me off to no end. Excuse the language to those who would be offended.
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> > To the point: The BR should be removed from the load out option in the SWAT game-type. Who else agrees? Open for all opinions.
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> > P.S. If your going to argue against my opinion, please do not say it’s easier to get kills. There has got to be something more strategic and/or a plus/negative against the DMR.
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> > -Ren355
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> 1) the BR has been around for more SWAT games then the DMR.
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> 2) Kill cams are broken and do not tell what happened properly.
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> 3) I fail to see how anyone can make an argument about skill when both weapons get the same aim assist and you only have to aim slightly above for kills.
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> SWAT is a game of fast reflexes not skill. It’s a who fires first wins kind of gametype. If you like SWAT then more power to you. But don’t try to say something is more skillful in a gametype that’s only about reflexes.
I love SWAT on high level gameplays. Don’t let Halo 4 swat be the SWAT you judge off of, because I personally think Halo 4 SWAT is terrible.
BR SWAT is an entirely different ballgame from DMR SWAT. While I love Halo 2 SWAT, I also love Reach SWAT because Reach swat was far less forgiving.
In Halo 4 however, the DMR is far easier to use, but so is the BR.
I don’t think Halo 4 is a SWAT game. Too much aim assist and too much magnetism makes the game far easier than it should be. Both guns are ridiculously simple to use, and I don’t think any gun in Halo 4 would actually work for this gametype.
If anything, Light Rifle SWAT would be the way to go. Light Rifle is harder to use than either of its counter parts, is more consistent than the BR and has the perfect amount of range.
Actually, the overpowering of the DMR and the three-burst shot from the Battle Rifle make them, in my opinion, mostly equal. However, I’ve seen players exclusively use the Magnum and reach 1st place in some matches, primarily because it’s camper-friendly and has a high rate of fire, though it is less accurate. The Magnum is good at close range, which is why it is camper-friendly.
I play SWAT alot, and since my DMR commendation is maxed out, i have been using the Battle Rifle in SWAT in order to max it out as well. Adapting with the Battle Rifle can be a pain, especially on big maps like Complex, but if you can stay on smaller to medium sized maps then in my opinion the Battle Rifle can be just as effective.
As for the question, I have no problem with the Battle Rifle being in SWAT, i actually think they should put the Carbine and the Light Rifle in SWAT as well (as long as the balancing is worked out), so it would be easier to work on those commendations too.
>Implying kill cams have any measure of accuracy as to what actually happened on the other players screen.
This argument is absurd for many reasons:
The usefulness of the DMR or BR is entirely subjective on the map you’re playing on. Obviously close quarters will be an easier fight with the BR due to widened reticle and three round burst, and due to the advanced zoom and accuracy of DMR it will always triumph at longer range, despite having only one chance to hit per fire.
Play on Complex with Battle Rifle, and play on Haven with DMR and see the logical fallacy unfold before your eyes. It would almost be the opposite of every strategy in the book.
The most important area of skill in SWAT is your level of swiftness. How fast you can blast the other person’s head. A good DMR user will not be affected by it’s reduced area of fire and continue to dominate close quarters, just as a good BR user can account for drift and inaccuracy from a long distance standpoint and still perform very well.
SWAT is one of, if not THE most balanced playlist in H4. Please don’t **** it up like the others.
> > No the BR is more effective at close range so if you were smart you would use the BR at close range and DMR on bigger maps
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> Unfortunately, the DMR wins no matter what, even at short rang maps. In my opinion, the DMR should be nerfed in Swat.
Christ sake, it’s a one hit kill game. What on earth would nerfing the DMR solve? (concerning SWAT)