SWAT CSR - How does it work?

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"Scoring for CSR will also be dependent on the playlist as some are based on individual performance against other players while the rest is based on team performance and your overall win/loss record.

The following playlists use individual scoring which is based on your performance against other players and your teammates plus your win/loss record.

Infinity Slayer
Big Team Infinity Slayer
Rumble Pit
Multi-Team
Team Action Sack
Flood
Team Snipers
Regicide
SWAT
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This is not a “Oh my CSR isn’t 50 this system suxors!!” post, although for all the ranting I’ll do (and all the ranting I wanted to do but cut out) it will seem like it. I will complain a bit and have a frustrated tone throughout, but mostly I’d honestly like to know how the CSR ranking for the SWAT playlist works. You don’t have to read my rant to understand or answer my question, but I’m too upset right now to leave it out and it’s not like it’s the first or last rant ever on waypoint right? :wink:

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I averaged 20.333 kills and +8.167 K/D in the past six games, always got either 2nd place on the winning team or first place on the losing team, and the system didn’t raise my CSR one iota sticking me at 27 for 5 of the games which I was annoyed with but accepted until the final straw: it actually DROPPED it from 27 to 26 in the most recent game (32 kills +16 in a 3 v 4 game. Naturally I was on the team of 3 and we lost. =_=)

By the way, if I went back to a 7th game (which I won and placed 1st) my averages above would be even higher (the 7th game I got 23 kills and +16 K/D), but I’m counting games from my first loss since CSR came out.I understand that a “win/loss record” of 2/4 (or 3/4 if you count all 7 games) isn’t the greatest, but it seems very disheartening to perform consistently at my best regardless of a win/loss and almost never get a negative K/D…and none of that seems to show at all.

So obviously “individual performance” ranking is either a complete lie, or wins carry much more weight than they should, at least much more so than individual performance. I find it extremely frustrating to start a game minus one teammate against an organized group, get more kills than the first place player on the winning team, get a much higher K/D than the first place player, do absolutely everything I can to win the game…and the system decides “OMG A LOSS, YOU SUCK!!”

I do realize that 7 games is “not a lot” to judge performance on, but my point is even out of “just” 7 games, none of which I quit by the way, I never imagined my performance showed that my rank deserved a downgrade! I’d personally play with someone who averaged 20 kills and +8 per game any day!

I don’t think CSR is even a decent way of determining one’s skill, but I am a very competitive player and team swat is my absolute favorite playlist and I hate to think that despite consistent performance (which I believe others would at the very least call decent right?) that I’d have to place 1st on a winning team 7-8 more times just to freaking get a decent CSR while others who fall into good teams by chance and perform badly just skyrocket to the top. When the skill starts showing up in game (in many months I know, but still) or when people look me up on waypoint at a glance I’m the one who looks like my skill isn’t up to par and that upsets me.

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But I digress. When I played Halo 3 I remember being frustrated too, but I wasn’t stuck at a mere 26-27, it was a respectable 41-44, and at least then I could understand why because I was consistently playing in pretty tough games (my very last game of Halo 3 was a team swat game as I just looked it up, I placed 2nd. Ahh memories), but now…I don’t get it. How the hell is it calculating CSR here!?

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This is the game in question: https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Wild%20Yojimbo/wargames/match-28f0d02c1ea10f43

You were a CSR-27. The next closest player to you is a CSR-20.

Being a CSR-27 you are supposed to be beating everyone else in this match i.e. players with a CSR-1…26 - but in this case you didn’t.

You lost out to a CSR-1. The CSR system lost confidence in your skill, so it dropped you down.

The system doesn’t know that you are better than a 27, because you haven’t played anyone else at CSR-27+. Why would it move you ahead? CSR is not a progression system that you can grind out by playing against less skill players.

You aren’t going to increase in CSR Skill by playing against players who are LOWER skill because that doesn’t make any sense.

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I was just about to ask what CSR were the other players. It counts for your rank too. Seems like the system is working good. The only thing missing is time for the rest of the population to catch up.

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> This is the game in question: https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Wild%20Yojimbo/wargames/match-28f0d02c1ea10f43
>
> You were a CSR-27. The next closest player to you is a CSR-20.
>
> Being a CSR-27 you are supposed to be beating everyone else in this match i.e. players with a CSR-1…26 - but in this case you didn’t.
>
> You lost out to a CSR-1. The CSR system lost confidence in your skill, so it dropped you down.
>
> The system doesn’t know that you are better than a 27, because you haven’t played anyone else at CSR-27+. Why would it move you ahead? CSR is not a progression system that you can grind out by playing against less skill players.
>
> You aren’t going to increase in CSR Skill by playing against players who are LOWER skill because that doesn’t make any sense.

Cant help to think that this would be clearer for people on waypoint but most importantly, 90% of the 20,000 players that play halo4 who dont log into waypoint, if it was IN GAME lol

We wouldnt have these rants, we would have players knowing what they need to do in a match to keep/raise rank, Non in-game CSR is soo frustrating to be fair like isnt it? Such a shame man… :confused:

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Now that I look at the game again: Wild Yojimbo lost to 2 CSR-1 Players, and a CSR-15.

Team wins mean nothing in SWAT (as well as some other playlists) it is all about personal performance.

In this case the CSR rankings went:

  • MOWONO (CSR-1).
  • SHADOWLAWNNINJA (CSR-15).
  • WRKNCLASSHERO (CSR-1).
  • WILD YOJIMBO (CSR-27).
  • …
  • CREAPINDEATH77 (CSR-6).
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Yesterday I came 3rd in Swat and got 1 CSR point but yet this is strange:

1st 23 kills and 15 deaths CSR 8 for this game.

3rd 15 kills and 4 deaths CSR 1 for this game and I got a spree of 9.

6th 11 kills and 16 deaths CSR 13 for this game.

The game before hand the winning team only got 1 CSR for the game but 5th place with -1 got 26 CSR.

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> Yesterday I came 3rd in Swat and got 1 CSR point but yet this is strange:
>
> 1st 23 kills and 15 deaths CSR 8 for this game.
>
> 3rd 15 kills and 4 deaths CSR 1 for this game and I got a spree of 9.
>
> 6th 11 kills and 16 deaths CSR 13 for this game.
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> The game before hand the winning team only got 1 CSR for the game but 5th place with -1 got 26 CSR.

The CSR on the left is not the + or - for the game. That is there current CSR. They could have played 100 games between that game and now. It will always update to show their current CSR.

By my reckoning you came fourth, not third. GOLD KALOT on the other team comes in second.

Looking at this game: https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Th3%20Highlander/home/match-94c241c160364643

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Sorry, this is gonna be a long post, but I don’t want to post a couple times and I fell asleep while all the responses came in.

> This is the game in question: https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Wild%20Yojimbo/wargames/match-28f0d02c1ea10f43
>
> You were a CSR-27. The next closest player to you is a CSR-20.
>
> Being a CSR-27 you are supposed to be beating everyone else in this match i.e. players with a CSR-1…26 - but in this case you didn’t.
>
> You lost out to a CSR-1. The CSR system lost confidence in your skill, so it dropped you down.

That’s actually not the match I dropped down in skill , believe me if it was I wouldn’t be upset. (Once I got stuck at 27 I checked it per match and unless it updated late I was still a 27 at the end of that match.) However I do understand how that match could be more influential than I had originally thought. Still frustrating, but at least I can see some logic in dropping my skill because of that. Thanks.

> The system doesn’t know that you are better than a 27, because you haven’t played anyone else at CSR-27+.
>
> Why would it move you ahead? CSR is not a progression system that you can grind out by playing against less skill players.
>
> You aren’t going to increase in CSR Skill by playing against players who are LOWER skill because that doesn’t make any sense.

I don’t care about progressing my skill as much as I do regressing it. A loss of skill is what set me off, not a lack of skill increases. I fully expect it to take a while for me to hit 50 skill if that happens.

And I have played against plenty of people above CSR-27 in the last few matches and that’s what confused me and made me rant in the first place.

When I lost (but placed 1st place on losing team as is typical) to a team of people who all had ranks vastly higher than mine, while I underperformed, got a 0 K/D ratio, and hardly beat any other player in terms of anything:
https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Wild%20Yojimbo/home/match-41a83bd7f0d2bd03

I went UP a CSR rank to 27 in the first place.

But when I lost (but placed 1st place on losing team as is typical):
https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Wild%20Yojimbo/home/match-20926d3ff86071bb

I beat EVERYONE on both teams in terms of everything but assists and even then I got the 2nd highest number of assists (2).
I had more headshots, kills, medals, and points than anyone else. In terms of assists I still had 1 more assist than the CSR-35.

I can’t control the skill of my own team while the other team is clearly in a clan (RROD clan). In fact in my opinion my team in that game did pretty dang well considering they were both CSR 1 and there were only three of us.
But I did do as much as I could have, which as it turns out, add the kills of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place players and they only have 4 more kills than me combined. Or alternatively, imagine there was a fourth player on my team, so that I couldn’t possibly have so many kills to myself. Plug in my average kills over the previous 6 SWAT games I played since CSR came out (18.333) and I still would have placed 2nd in terms of kills at the very least.

With this kind of performance I went back DOWN a CSR rank to 26 again and yes, that was enough to set me off.

> Being a CSR-27 you are supposed to be beating everyone else in this match i.e. players with a CSR-1…26

And in this case I did and was punished for it which is why I figured win/loss records must have incredible weight to them over individual performance.

Those two games are mainly why I was upset, “why promote me +1 because I did “okay” against a higher ranked team, but demote me when I did absolutely amazing against an average ranked team? (Ignoring the 35)” I understand that tons of other factors were at play, but I couldn’t understand what they could possibly be that would give me that kind of outcome. At the time, in my mind at the time the only numbers I could come up with that I underperformed on were losses and K/D which is why I was confused and why I felt it wasn’t weighing personal performance. I agree that being able to see the other people’s CSR in game would’ve helped a deal.

> We wouldnt have these rants, we would have players knowing what they need to do in a match to keep/raise rank, Non in-game CSR is soo frustrating to be fair like isnt it?

Agreed! I wish CSR was in game as does pretty much everyone. They say it will be eventually in many months, but that’s way too late. :frowning:

However, I kind of disagree with “we would have players knowing what they need to do in a match to keep/raise rank” at least personally. I always try my best both for personal kills and trying to help out team members in any SWAT game. Vis a vis my last game, I don’t see how I or my team of CSR-1’s could have performed any better to be honest. If some kind of CSR-preserving tactics do become popular, they’re most likely to going to be self-serving boosting tactics, camping tactics, or clan/team based group hunting. Either way that’s not how I prefer to play, but that’s just me.

TL;DR
I get it more now, so like I said - thanks. Doesn’t make it less frustrating, but I’m not confused anymore.

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> > Yesterday I came 3rd in Swat and got 1 CSR point but yet this is strange:
> >
> > 1st 23 kills and 15 deaths CSR 8 for this game.
> >
> > 3rd 15 kills and 4 deaths CSR 1 for this game and I got a spree of 9.
> >
> > 6th 11 kills and 16 deaths CSR 13 for this game.
> >
> > The game before hand the winning team only got 1 CSR for the game but 5th place with -1 got 26 CSR.
>
> The CSR on the left is not the + or - for the game. That is there current CSR. They could have played 100 games between that game and now. It will always update to show their current CSR.
>
> By my reckoning you came fourth, not third. GOLD KALOT on the other team comes in second.
>
> Looking at this game: https://app.halowaypoint.com/en-us/Halo4/Th3%20Highlander/home/match-94c241c160364643

I missed read what the left side and right side CSR meant, left side is current and right side is what I was when I played that match. Still no improvement on true skill yet, 20+ been teamed up with lesser than ten but time will tell.

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my frustration with SWAT is the individual CSR. i have been playing with my brother and we are now both 33/32 ish. we have played 25ish games and lost 2 i think it is … but the problem is i no longer care about wins. some guy on out team is doing well, he’s 5 kills ahead of me, do i call out he has 3 enemies behind him? noooooooo, i let him die and then take the triple for myself.

my hope was that CSR would promote team play and team chatter, however i find myself resenting any good team mates i am paired with and actively avoiding helping them out. I have had wins where the score is 600 to 150 (ishhhh) with me on 6 kills as i saw nobody and almost in tears because without i doubt i will drop from that :frowning:

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As mentioned above, finishing first and winning means nothing in terms of CSR if your opponents are a much lower rank. In the next few weeks people will start moving up the ranking system and you will be matched against players your skill level, making ranking up easier if you keep playing well.