Support Every Halo

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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We all know how the community is: people taking sides on changes, using numbers thinking that will support their claims that they are better, preferring one game over another heavily, and aggression rising.

To start off, I am not a 343i fanboy nor am I a Bungie fanboy. I am PROUDLY a halo fanboy. Let me explain. Yes I will alway defend games that other give far more flak than needed. The most common example for the past years is halo 4. I have defended halo 4 for the sake of defending halo not 343i. But I have also defended halo CE, halo 2, halo 3, wars etc. There are people we all know who want a restart button on halo. That somehow halo has lost its way because we the fan apparently know the way far better than anyone else in the world. That we should go back to halo 3.5 for the glory of halo 3 or halo 2.5 for that competitive and button combo skill set, or halo CE part two for some insane 16 bit gameplay. My response: That’s fine?, but that is not going to happen since we have played the beta and all of those original games.

We hear all the time from each other and youtubers that we long term players want things back to the glory days of halo. For those who remember ilovebees and halo2sucks.com this almost seems like a bad joke. The glory days of halo has never left. The community and the players’ attitudes have left. People are listening and believing of rants and complaints about even some good changes to the game through all sorts of media. I and many others have surpassed the hate of halo reach and halo 4. Two years later after their launch I could still pick up the game and have atleast 10 hours of fun on the weekends with either of these games. No different than the times I had with halo CE, h2, h3, and don’t get me thinking all the hours I put into firefight alone for halo ODST.

For or those of you I hear that say that the companies don’t listen to the fans. The companies definitely do not listen to 90% of what the halo fans say, having to shift and wade through all the garbage and threats you guys give them. It’s down right hostile. For those of you who stuck with halo 4 you would know that they support mods in multiplayer, more specifically in team action sack. (And the beta feedback program please get more people involved there it Truely helps)

Nearly all of this wouldn’t need to be said if we just sit down, take a deep breathe and support halo.

Onto the MCC. All of the games you got here were no different than the launched games back in 2001, 2004, 2007, and 2012. I do not think this was a mistake. The halo community needs a wake up. Do they have the patches ready? Darn straight they do. Are you guys ready? Definitely not based on those death threats and begging for more engines on the same game. The issues with the MCC are difficult to fix but not impossible. The developers can hinder a prized game as a way of punishing the fan base without hurting the next game title. Based on the success of halo 5’s marketing I highly doubt the poeple hating halo now are that significant to affect the next game.

What can we do?

Support Halo.
Wake up, if you are on of those who has threaten the halo company 343i or Bungie, tell them sorry. It won’t kill you and it’s the right thing to do. Have some breakfast and enjoy your day. When you have time, get on halo. ANY halo. This doesn’t have to be the MCC. Get on for 8 minutes, play one game, send someone a message “I am sorry that game didn’t go to well but it was still fun =)” or “great job!” If you play longer, hell that is great! But you don’t have to, you aren’t forced to, except the community needs YOU.

Support halo =) so halo can support us.

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I think it’s alright to critize the games in a constructive manner, if there’s something one doesn’t like. However an all out verbal assault on the developers, calling them all thos various things… Was not okay in my book. They expect the devs to do their job, while acting with a childish tone.

I’ve been there, since Halo: CE day one. I’ve had some opinions on Halo every now and then, but i never just sold the game, due to it not working (even tho MCC still needs work 6 months later).

Having played through the Halos all these years, i am more then HAPPY that Halo now sees THIS big change of things. a Halo 2.5 or 3.5 would only sell to those who actually wants the old games back and not join the future. That’d hurt in the wallet for microsoft and 343, thus future budgets will be slim and new games won’t recieve the same budget either.

I for one think Halo 5 is gonna be the beast and i haven’t been this excited for a Halo game, since Halo 3. This is actually the most excited i have EVER been, with all the awesome marketing they’re doing, and these ‘‘teasing’’ hunt the truth episode as well. E3 sure can’t come fast enough!

OP, a brave post. Credit has to be given and my respect for daring to speak up like that, when the forums usually have an ‘‘Illogical angry assault team’’ at the ready to bash in pure anger.

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I agree with you OP and Kenni.

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I agree, but be wary that criticism is sometimes healthy. It can promote change if done correctly, unfortunately, the companies are bowing down to entitles brats who freak out over a new feature, even if it’s wrong or not. The reason Halo 4’s features are gone isn’t because 343 was criticized, it’s because little kids freaked out and sent death threats to 343 over a -Yoinking!- game. They succumbed to the entitlement, and I feel that the community was especially vicious in that regard. There’s a difference between criticism and a hissy fit people.
I think though that sometimes criticism is useless and just causes negativity, like with the ADS and Sprint threads. Every single one is saying the same things over and over and over again. Everything has already been said, but people feel entitled to say it one more time again and again. I understand that these people are really against these features, and I can respect that, but they should also know that the criticism won’t get anywhere. Criticism and debate is here to promote change, and when it can’t change, it is useless and is just negative bantering between a polarized community. There’s no use for these anymore, since 343 personally said they prefer sprint and ADS, so it will be in Halo from now on. There, nothing else. If you don’t like them fine, you have a right to think that way, but I think you should know that debating about it won’t go anywhere and is just noise for the series and is just more negativity that makes the games less fun to talk about and play.

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Criticism is one thing but the halo forums are another thing.

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I understand where you’re coming from with this but I disagree. I think that your philosofy will have a reverse effect if you reflect on today’s industry and they type of personalities that rule certain companies.

If support EVERY Halo game then 343i will get confused on which Halo to take ideas from or a reference. If they chose from everyone then it’d turn out into a monstrocity.
Supporting one Halo game gives them a better insight of which they should aim for to please that kind of customer.
Another reason to why I disagree is that I don’t want to support something I don’t love or dislike, that being Halo 4 and potentially Halo 5. If enough people support the classics more than Halo 4 and Halo 5 then we’d get a game which is more similar to the classics than what Halo 5 was suppose to be.

I love the classics. Halo CE, Halo 2and especially Halo 3 and that’s because they were very very different and so on so forth blah blah opinions. But I did not like what I saw with Halo 5. I enjoyed the beta, I honesly think they stepped up from Halo 4 but I still dislike what they created and I’m not going to support it.

I’m sorry OP, I’m not going to support something for the sake of making 343i happy or the community that is around me and yells how much they love what I hate. I cannot stand such torture.

Acting sportsmanlike by sending a message saying “GG” or “I hope to face you again, that was fun!” has nothing to do with supporting all of the games, that’s just being a true sportsman and I can be that in any game I want but that is not support to a game, that’s support to the recieveing player(s).

And inb4 I get invaded with “You’re just a douchbag that doesn’t want people to be happy.” speaches I just want to say that if people are allowed to boast about how much they love the newer games when I’m around then I have the same authority to go against that and smack talk it out in the open or with friends.

Sorry, I’m just not with you here OP. I’d rather want Halo to die completily, get shut down, burried, after Halo 5’s release than supporting it and Halo 4 along with what I already support just for the sake of Halo continuing. I know that Halo 6 will come out, and I’m ashamed unless they actually manage to bring it closer to the classics than ever before.
Yes, I want a Halo 3.5 but that’s mechanics wise. I’m a MP guy, I don’t care much for the campaign after three months after it’s release.

Iwant a Halo 3.5 but with spectator mode, clan/team system, the best forge possible, theatre mode, fileshare and filebrowser, an amazing ranking system that also goes for the clan/team system, extensive armor customization with effects and custom paints, proximity chat, online weapon lowering, good map designs and lots more.

If you like Halo 4, Reach or Halo 5. Good, I like that you’re within the Halo universe and you’re welcomed here but I won’t give you much respect, even less if you look down on the classics and look up to 343i.

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To the dude above me. Question. Did you mean to write philosophy as pholosofy? Just a thing popped out.

And I know I can’t ‘make’ you want something, but I do know, that nobody likes a copy. I’ve read some of your forum posts. Anything that seems to be related to 343 you despise. Why? No idea, you just hate them. I will admit I was going to hate them too. Sadly for you, they have done more right than you realize.

Course, I think you focus on KD and rank more than a warm and engaging story that 343 is known for (Halo 4? HuntTheTruth? Halo: New Blood, Escalation, how about Primordial and those guys? This isn’t Bungie stuff bud. That’s 343l). So I went into deep Lore to try everything to completely destroy 343’s stance. Yet they covered that so well, that when I played the campaign, I was enjoying it a lot more than the average gamer.

Can’t have Halo without its story. There is no denying that. CE did not have multiplayer. You played that -Yoink- on legendary, and you liked it. You bought and read the books and were engaged by them. You did all of that. It really does depress me that people like you hate on a company for a first games bad MP mechanics. You payed 60 dollars for the package. Not the MP. Sorry, not sorry.

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You shouldn’t unconditionally support Halo if you disagree with the direction this franchise is heading towards. Halo 5 is on a path to mediocrity and being like every other shooter. ADS BR pains me.

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I support halo as well, however it is good to give constructive criticism, which for me at this point is everything is looking good and I cannot wait to try out smartscope and revamped sprint in h5, along with everything else that makes halo well halo. :slight_smile:

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People. Your wife and children are things you love unconditionally. Actual human beings.

Other than that, I don’t recommend loving anything unconditionally. Especially if you are paying for it.

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> To the dude above me. Question. Did you mean to write philosophy as pholosofy? Just a thing popped out.
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> And I know I can’t ‘make’ you want something, but I do know, that nobody likes a copy. I’ve read some of your forum posts. Anything that seems to be related to 343 you despise. Why? No idea, you just hate them. I will admit I was going to hate them too. Sadly for you, they have done more right than you realize.
>
> Course, I think you focus on KD and rank more than a warm and engaging story that 343 is known for (Halo 4? HuntTheTruth? Halo: New Blood, Escalation, how about Primordial and those guys? This isn’t Bungie stuff bud. That’s 343l). So I went into deep Lore to try everything to completely destroy 343’s stance. Yet they covered that so well, that when I played the campaign, I was enjoying it a lot more than the average gamer.
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> Can’t have Halo without its story. There is no denying that. CE did not have multiplayer. You played that -Yoink- on legendary, and you liked it. You bought and read the books and were engaged by them. You did all of that. It really does depress me that people like you hate on a company for a first games bad MP mechanics. You payed 60 dollars for the package. Not the MP. Sorry, not sorry.

If you’ve read my past posts on 343i then you should know why I dislike them, it’s not hard to see why. I don’t think they do much right, they do awfully alot wrong but that’s when it comes to the MP. And I don’t Hate 343i for their campaigns or storytelling, I think that’s totally fine but in the long run it’s the MP that rules. Once you’re done with the campaing you go the MP, play against others over and over in different ways, different strategies etc. There’s more to do on the MP than on the campaing. But that’s just me. As I said before, I’m a MP guy.
And I’ve never said that they should create a game that is only MP. I know that the story is very important to the game (since it started on that) but I just enjoy the MP more. On CE I played countless hours fighting my brother with warhogs on Bloodgulch in splitscreen but I only spent a day or two with the campaign.

I dislike 343i for their choices of building the game’s mechanics, their apporach to the community and how they treat it and how they handle the competetive scene. It makes me want to barf when I see what kind of triggers they’re pulling. But when it comes to campaign, I couldn’t really care less for how they progress it. I honeslty think that Halo 3 should’ve been the amazing ending of the Halo franchise.

And yes, the “pholosofy” is a typo :P.

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> Onto the MCC. All of the games you got here were no different than the launched games back in 2001, 2004, 2007, and 2012. I do not think this was a mistake. The halo community needs a wake up. Do they have the patches ready? Darn straight they do. Are you guys ready? Definitely not based on those death threats and begging for more engines on the same game. The issues with the MCC are difficult to fix but not impossible. The developers can hinder a prized game as a way of punishing the fan base without hurting the next game title. Based on the success of halo 5’s marketing I highly doubt the poeple hating halo now are that significant to affect the next game.

Holy crap - that is in no way a healthy relationship you just portrayed, OP. Punishing the fanbase for giving them flack about them screwing up??

Cough

Right. So could all the members of the forum that don’t have Stockholm syndrome please raise their hand so I don’t feel so alone?

Now onto the rest of the post.

First.

  • If you are still using the reskinned Halo 2 argument then your credibility is irrevocably damaged, especially when you consider who this OP is addressing. You have already turned your audience off by basically insulting them with an untrue generalization.Next.

  • Fans kind of decide what’s good. A game is good because fans say it is. A game is successful because fans buy it. Developers are successful because fans support them. Publishers are successful because fans support them. The shadowy Investor-gods that control the game industry are only getting money because fans support them. Would it be too much to ask to get a decent product int return for all the hard work we do? Next.

  • The games have changed. No one can deny this, right? That was the point, right? Because the games have changed, the attitudes surrounding the games have changed. Right? This means that any hate 343 is getting is purely of their own creation. Right? Right.
    The way you worded this entire thing feels so…creepy. It’s like Halo is sticking a gun to my head and holding my hostage. I give them money. That’s support. When they stop supporting me even after I support them - as was the case with the $60 shilled out for Halo 4 and the MCC - then I am not the one who’s failed to hold up my end of the bargain.

THIS IS STANDARD ECONOMICS.

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> > Onto the MCC. All of the games you got here were no different than the launched games back in 2001, 2004, 2007, and 2012. I do not think this was a mistake. The halo community needs a wake up. Do they have the patches ready? Darn straight they do. Are you guys ready? Definitely not based on those death threats and begging for more engines on the same game. The issues with the MCC are difficult to fix but not impossible. The developers can hinder a prized game as a way of punishing the fan base without hurting the next game title. Based on the success of halo 5’s marketing I highly doubt the poeple hating halo now are that significant to affect the next game.
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> Holy crap - that is in no way a healthy relationship you just portrayed, OP. Punishing the fanbase for giving them flack about them screwing up??
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> Cough
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> Right. So could all the members of the forum that don’t have Stockholm syndrome please raise their hand so I don’t feel so alone?
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> Now onto the rest of the post.
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> First.
> - If you are still using the reskinned Halo 2 argument then your credibility is irrevocably damaged, especially when you consider who this OP is addressing. You have already turned your audience off by basically insulting them with an untrue generalization.
> Next.
> - Fans kind of decide what’s good. A game is good because fans say it is. A game is successful because fans buy it. Developers are successful because fans support them. Publishers are successful because fans support them. The shadowy Investor-gods that control the game industry are only getting money because fans support them. Would it be too much to ask to get a decent product int return for all the hard work we do?
> Next.
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> - The games have changed. No one can deny this, right? That was the point, right? Because the games have changed, the attitudes surrounding the games have changed. Right? This means that any hate 343 is getting is purely of their own creation. Right? Right.
> The way you worded this entire thing feels so…creepy. It’s like Halo is sticking a gun to my head and holding my hostage. I give them money. That’s support. When they stop supporting me even after I support them - as was the case with the $60 shilled out for Halo 4 and the MCC - then I am not the one who’s failed to hold up my end of the bargain.
>
> THIS IS STANDARD ECONOMICS.

I agree with you dude. I’m from Stockholm and I don’t even have that abomination of a syndrom.

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i will never defend halo 4 (worst one ever made) and halo 5 is looking to go the same route

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> i will never defend halo 4 (worst one ever made) and halo 5 is looking to go the same route

Halo 5 will have the same route if it doesn’t contain an insane amount of content like clan/team system, massive forge, a spectator mode which isn’t just some -Yoink- theatre ripoff

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> i will never defend halo 4 (worst one ever made) and halo 5 is looking to go the same route

How so, though? Be specific.

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Mee too.
I am a HUGE HALO FANBOY!!!
Halo has never dissapointed me,
yea change can be scary but I always end up loving it
WORT WORT WORT!!!

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I understand that people love Halo 2 & 3, I get that because I do too. But if you want to keep playing the same game, just keep playing that game. 343i is trying to make Halo more appealing and grow a bigger fan base for Halo. Reproducing the same multiplayer in every game isn’t going to cut it. Change is necessary and it’s going to happen whether you like it or not.
Personally, I love what 343i is doing with the Halo franchise/universe and I will continue to support them.

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> I understand that people love Halo 2 & 3, I get that because I do too. But if you want to keep playing the same game, just keep playing that game. 343i is trying to make Halo more appealing and grow a bigger fan base for Halo. Reproducing the same multiplayer in every game isn’t going to cut it. Change is necessary and it’s going to happen whether you like it or not.
> Personally, I love what 343i is doing with the Halo franchise/universe and I will continue to support them.

I agree. Thank God no one wants to reproduce the same multiplayer every game. That would be stupid.

See, if you want to really connect with people on these forums and have rational debates that make both sides smarter - you have to stop using that argument. It’s unimaginative, inherently limiting and based on nothing. You want to talk about innovation? Don’t shut your mind to the possibility that a game can take cues from another game yet remain it’s own separate identity. Don’t shut your mind to the idea that a game - in this modern market - can ship without a traditional “Sprint” feature. Maybe it’s got something even better, that you wouldn’t have had if you stuck to the tired old Sprint model.

Maybe the same people who feel annoyed about Guardians, have new ideas, too.

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> > 2533274795515722;14:
> > i will never defend halo 4 (worst one ever made) and halo 5 is looking to go the same route
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> How so, though? Be specific.

Sprint, thrusters, shoulder charge, clambering, ads
any form of loadouts in MP. Also weapon timer spawns being shown and if they are up or not.