Yes 343i has been listening to the community despite how much negativity is in it. I saw the PAX east panel and once I heard the questions I laughed one one that was about the DMR and any planned changes on it and I laugh from everyone’s response being a very sarcastic no people if this isn’t proof or the title updates fixing the bolt shot and downgrading active camouflage then you are all in denial or blind from the facts presented.
It’s obvious they’re listening.
Some of their responses have been awesome, some mediocre in execution.
But they are listening, imo.
Halo 4 is 343i’s first full title. Sure, they have faults, but I hope they’ll learn and improve. If 343i don’t get it together by Halo 5’s launch, then I’d be worried.
As of right now, I’m pretty satisfied with Halo 4’s state.
They are definitely listening to us, but are they listening hard enough? After the GDC panel, one wonders if they’re truly capable to listen to us enough to realize that their methods of thought for Halo 4 multiplayer were 150% wrong. We’ll see how things come around for Halo 5, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed, but they had better be listening really really really hard…
Yes they are listening, but I dont think they care. Look at the X, im glad its back dont get me wrong. But the way it is implemented is useless, its intended purpose does not work with how it currently is.
And then this latest little fiasco at GDC, yes they listen but have the learnt from the mistakes? They have yet to show that they have learned from it.
> It’s obvious they’re listening.
> Some of their responses have been awesome, some mediocre in execution.
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> But they are listening, imo.
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> Halo 4 is 343i’s first full title. Sure, they have faults, but I hope they’ll learn and improve. If 343i don’t get it together by Halo 5’s launch, then I’d be worried.
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> As of right now, I’m pretty satisfied with Halo 4’s state.
Of course they’ll improve with Halo 5, they have no choice but to improve. Fan reaction has been overwhelmingly negative with regards to Halo 4; I don’t think a single player likes every aspect of the game so it’s universally agreed to be flawed at least. If 343i doesn’t improve with Halo 5, they’re commiting corporate suicide.
> They are definitely listening to us, but are they listening hard enough? After the GDC panel, one wonders if they’re truly capable to listen to us enough to realize that their methods of thought for Halo 4 multiplayer were 150% wrong. We’ll see how things come around for Halo 5, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed, but they had better be listening really really really hard…
I agree.
Their responses were just baffling…
Hopefully, Bravo sticks around at 343i long enough until Halo 5 so that they make the right decisions for the franchise.
And hopefully, 343i end up realizing that change for the sake of change isn’t always a good thing.
But I remain hopeful and patient.
343 does not listen to the community!
They hear us but they don’t listen.
The proof is every single update made to this game that shows their very small effort to “please” the fans. (In other words it seems more like they are just trying to do their best to tell us to shut up)
> Yes they are listening, but I dont think they care. Look at the X, im glad its back dont get me wrong. But the way it is implemented is useless, its intended purpose does not work with how it currently is.
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> And then this latest little fiasco at GDC, yes they listen but have the learnt from the mistakes? They have yet to show that they have learned from it.
If they don’t care, then why would they care to push out all of these updates, give us a free forge island map with “flat open spaces,” something which the community has literally asked for, keep us notified and up-to-date with their weekly bulletins, respond to forum topics, etc.?
> > Yes they are listening, but I dont think they care. Look at the X, im glad its back dont get me wrong. But the way it is implemented is useless, its intended purpose does not work with how it currently is.
> >
> > And then this latest little fiasco at GDC, yes they listen but have the learnt from the mistakes? They have yet to show that they have learned from it.
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> If they don’t care, then why would they care to push out all of these updates, give us a free forge island map with “flat open spaces,” something which the community has literally asked for, keep us notified and up-to-date with their weekly bulletins, respond to forum topics, etc.?
I agree they care, about there vision of halo. Which is make it as accessible as possible to everyone and get rid of any feature bungie happen to make.
They care, but I dont think the direction the game is going in is the right direction.
> 343 does not listen to the community!
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> They hear us but they don’t listen.
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> The proof is every single update made to this game that shows their very small effort to “please” the fans. (In other words it seems more like they are just trying to do their best to tell us to shut up)
They do listen, then they proceed to do as they planned. They don’t really listen to our posts, but to the stats that the system provides them with.
I wonder how they read the tea leaves of the population stats…
> 343 does not listen to the community!
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> They hear us but they don’t listen.
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> The proof is every single update made to this game that shows their very small effort to “please” the fans. (In other words it seems more like they are just trying to do their best to tell us to shut up)
That’s only a matter of opinion. Also there might be more too it than what you may think, not everything can be fixed as quick as a snap of their fingers, there are things they can’t do because the game is released, and there are things they can do, but require other features to be in placed, or some requirements meet to even be put into a title update. Hell, you never know, they might be working on some secret hush hush title update that’s going to fix a large number of issues, and add some new things to Halo 4 that’ll please everyone.
But I also agree that they don’t listen because most of the voiceful community on their forums are nothing but stubborn people who can’t listen to reason, and can’t seem to post any form of actually feed back.
> <mark>They are definitely listening to us, but are they listening hard enough?</mark> After the GDC panel, one wonders if they’re truly capable to listen to us enough to realize that their methods of thought for Halo 4 multiplayer were 150% wrong. We’ll see how things come around for Halo 5, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed, but they had better be listening really really really hard…
the problem for 343i is, that the Community is split over so many different issues, that is almost impossible to please everyone. In fact, the community is so divided over every single little aspect of the game…if 343i went to far one to please one side, it would alienate even further the other side.
Most of you would be deluding yourselves if you think that the community is united on any one given issue. For everything that some one likes, some else posts that they dislike it. Always!
What you might think is a major issue which must be fixed at all costs, others might actually like that particular thing and support it as is.
343i is in a position where it, as far as Halo 4 goes, it can never satisfy everyone. 343i can only meet peoples expectations partway due to the divided community. 343i has had to abandoned a lot of their stated preferences in order to cobble together this current patchwork of measures to try and please people as best they can.
The problem is, every move 343i makes,it ruins the game in some instances or slightly improves in others. Why, because not everyone will be happy. Some don’t want change…others do…but worst of all, people are calling for too much to be changed and there is no agreement as to what that should be and to what extent…
…well done community!
…343i has not killed Halo…
…this fickle Community has…
> > <mark>…well done community!</mark>
> > <mark>…343i has not killed Halo…</mark>
> > <mark>…this fickle Community has…</mark>
> > <mark> </mark>
> > <mark>
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Echoing what I said would happen over a year ago: “343i wouldn’t kill Halo, this community would.”</mark>
> all these updates
2 or 3 updates in 6 months is not very many updates lol. COD has done 1 or 2 a month for blops 2 since release, and hot fixes so in comparison to competitors they haven’t updated much. I don’t get why it’s so hard to create a good Halo game with nearly 10 years of information and technology to go off of.
Not to mention none of their updates are very noticeable, All I have noticed is that the boltshot went from OP to worthless, and that people who abuse camo can still abuse camo, they just show up when using a light rifle.
They sold us a half finished game, would be nice if I could see the rest of it, and actually see real improvements through updates.
As far as listening to the community goes they’re listening, but that doesn’t mean they’re doing very much outside of “listening”. I know the competitive community feels like they have been tossed out on the street.
> > all these updates
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> 2 or 3 updates in 6 months is not very many updates lol. COD has done 1 or 2 a month for blops 2 since release, and hotfixes so in comparison to competitors they haven’t updated much.
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> Not to mention none of their updates are very noticeable, All I have noticed is that the boltshot went from OP to worthless, and that people who abuse camo can still abuse camo, they just show up when using a light rifle.
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> They sold us a half finished game,would be nice if I could see the rest of it, and actually updated something.
Yes COD has updates that often because they have such a massive studio that rakes in ridiculous amounts of money and have COD elite to pay for a lot of the multiplayer team’s time. That team also has many years of dev experience and if you remember bungie didn’t update Halo 2 that often and the title update that fixed a heap of issues with the game took an age to come.
So updates are coming and the whole weapon tuning thing is coming soon so weapon balancing wont be an issue.
> > > <mark>…well done community!</mark>
> > > <mark>…343i has not killed Halo…</mark>
> > > <mark>…this fickle Community has…</mark>
> > > <mark> </mark>
> > > <mark>
[/quote]
Echoing what I said would happen over a year ago: “343i wouldn’t kill Halo, this community would.”</mark>
> > > <mark>
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It’s a sad fate, but agonizingly true. Perhaps the community would do better if the progressive leveling system was strictly limited to Spartan Ops while MM focused fair competitive play (with a few playlists where you could use personal loudouts and make progress on the leveling system).</mark>
They may be trying to listen now, in a panic as the population dwindles to nothing. However they didn’t listen in the beginning, choosing to ignore the fans, it’s too late to save this game now people aren’t coming back.
> > <mark>They are definitely listening to us, but are they listening hard enough?</mark> After the GDC panel, one wonders if they’re truly capable to listen to us enough to realize that their methods of thought for Halo 4 multiplayer were 150% wrong. We’ll see how things come around for Halo 5, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed, but they had better be listening really really really hard…
>
> the problem for 343i is, that the Community is split over so many different issues, that is almost impossible to please everyone. In fact, the community is so divided over every single little aspect of the game…if 343i went to far one to please one side, it would alienate even further the other side.
>
> Most of you would be deluding yourselves if you think that the community is united on any one given issue. For everything that some one likes, some else posts that they dislike it. Always!
>
> What you might think is a major issue which must be fixed at all costs, others might actually like that particular thing and support it as is.
>
> 343i is in a position where it, as far as Halo 4 goes, it can never satisfy everyone. 343i can only meet peoples expectations partway due to the divided community. 343i has had to abandoned a lot of their stated preferences in order to cobble together this current patchwork of measures to try and please people as best they can.
>
> The problem is, every move 343i makes,it ruins the game in some instances or slightly improves in others. Why, because not everyone will be happy. Some don’t want change…others do…but worst of all, people are calling for too much to be changed and there is no agreement as to what that should be and to what extent…
>
> …well done community!
>
> …343i has not killed Halo…
>
> …this fickle Community has…
There’s that, but then there are changes that can be suggested and made on an objective level.
Case in point: Bungie nerfed the Saboteur Loadout in Elite Slayer in Reach. It was the most used Loadout in the gametype because it featured both Armor Lock and the Needler. After much whining, -Yoink!-, -Yoinking!-, and moaning, Bungie downgraded the Needler to a Plasma Rifle, making the Loadout more of a “tank” Loadout compared to others with the Plasma Repeater.
Sure, people objected, but this change was made for the benefit of the majority of players and for the gametype on a whole since the gametype was becoming a one note affair of “Play Saboteur or come in last place.”
We need more of the above changes. Things such as nerfing the DMR is arguably the above type of change.