When the Timeless One said in Primordium “We are the flood. No difference.” Now I believe that the Precursors aren’t the Flood, but that anyone is subject to host to the Flood. This is just my stands on the topic, what do you think, do you think the Precursors are an advanced Gravemind or that they aren’t the Flood?
I’m thinking that perhaps the Precursors made the Flood as a sort of way to unify the entirety of the universe.
> I’m thinking that perhaps the Precursors made the Flood as a sort of way to unify the entirety of the universe.
Thus making them the real good guys.
> I’m thinking that perhaps the Precursors made the Flood as a sort of way to unify the entirety of the universe.
Thats what I think. The descrption of the Captive doesn’t fit any flood form that we have encountered.
I still don’t buy into the Precursors creating the flood to ‘unify’ the universe. Why would they do something like that? Why take all that they had created and assimilate it into one galactic hivemind? The Precursors created the Forerunners and all the other races, so they obviously understood the importance of free will. The Flood is the exact opposite of all that the Precursors should stand for.
> I still don’t buy into the Precursors creating the flood to ‘unify’ the universe. Why would they do something like that? Why take all that they had created and assimilate it into one galactic hivemind? The Precursors created the Forerunners and all the other races, so they obviously understood the importance of free will. The Flood is the exact opposite of all that the Precursors should stand for.
Do not forget the Precursor’s also slaughtered their creations if they were not deemed “fit” for the Mantle. I believe the Precursor’s got fed up with free will, and traded Freedom for Security in the form of the Flood. The beauty of Freedom is the ability to take gamble’s, risks. However if everyone is unified among The Flood, how can any race fail the Mantle? destruction, strife, and war would cease.
In the halo 3 beastarium it describes the floods society as “utopian socialism”
Food for though.
Credit goes to Avu Med Telcam for this theory.
Halo Cryptum:
“Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
“The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
“They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…Halo 4 Enemy
> Credit goes to Avu Med Telcam for this theory.
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> Halo Cryptum:
> “Or was it something manufactured by the Precursors- possibly a strange, distorted sibling of both Forerunners and (the Didact was reluctant to consider this) humans? Precursor sibling, or ancestor to … what?”-pg. 276
> “The cell contained, in temporal suspension, a genuine monster: a large creature with an overall anatomy like a grossly misshapen human…”-pg. 277
> “They are out there, waiting…Thousands of years wasted!The solution was lost, Father…Lost!If what the Old Ones made is loose…”-pg. 138
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> If you look at the quotes from the passage it implies the Timeless One is actually part machine. Kind of like the Engineers that the Forerunners crafted. This also makes a lot of sense regarding how the Timeless One survived the firing of Halo, the Gravemind’s ability to successfully control Installation 05’s teleportation grid, and Gravemind’s ability to hack into Cortana in ‘Human Weakness’, considering Gravemind is the Timeless One. And the Timeless One, well… It could very well be…Halo 4 Enemy
The Gravemind is like a biological AI. The encyclopedia confirms that the GM the forerunners fought died with the firing of the array. The only flood Forms that would survive the array are the basic forms which are the spores and infection forms. Anything that can be infected or is infected will be killed.
The GM we know of formed After the ring fired on installation 05. Since the forerunner machinery that was holding the flood randomly broke for no reason whatsoever we think it might have had to do with an outside source.
> Since the forerunner machinery that was holding the flood randomly broke for no reason whatsoever
the covenant released it while searching the facility?
> > Since the forerunner machinery that was holding the flood randomly broke for no reason whatsoever
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> the covenant released it while searching the facility?
05 not 04
Here is a crazy theory, and I’m sure it may be flawed, but just hear me out.
So 50,000 years before the Primordial was released there was some sort of “appocolypse situation” that almost destroyed the Forerunners. They expanded outwards, now up until the books we have been led to believe that the Forerunners are the ultimate “good” in the Universe, however we know that they are excellent at creating death machines. Now what if, the FORERUNNERS made a biological/mechanical superweapon to fight the Precursors, almost like an earlier version of MB, or OB. Sent it out to locate study and defeat the Precursors, at first this machine hybrid did the job beautifly, destroying the Precursors to the brink of extinction, the last of the Precursors left the galaxy after they found a way to trick or subdue the Primordial. Which would be why in Cryptum it was Precursor and San’Shyuum tech keeping the Primordial locked up. But then along come ancient Humans, and they colonize Charum Hakkor, and make it the epicenter of their domain. We are told it is because of Precursor tech there, however we know from the book that they conversed with the primordial more than once (sounds alot like the covenant speaking with the MB shard they found on the Keyship they had). During this time the Precursors set loose a new biological weapon on the galaxy, in the form a powder sent on empty ships. The humans decide to put it on their little furry pets and have fun with them ( obviously we all know this is how the flood gained a foothold, was it by accident the precursors sent the flood in the direction of the humans). So now the flood expands and expands until they get near the Human stronghold, and what do they see? The Forerunners are back up to their old tricks and destroying another race. Maybe it wasn’t a cure or the fact that the humans sacrificed themselves that stopped the flood, but the fact that the Forerunners were about to wipe them out. Now we are never told what happened toall the infected humans, and any ships that the flood would have had, just that they stopped infecting. And after the Human-Forerunner war there was a 10000 year period where Charum Hakkor was empty, obviously if the Humans weren’t allowed to go to see the San’Shyuum, the forerunners wouldn’t allow them back on that planet, and if there are no humans there would be no reason to quarentine the area. In that time it could have been possible for the Flood to land there get more spores made, and take their Proto Gravemind and meld it with this “weapon”(primordial).
Now there is next to nothing supporting most of this, but I think it would be an interesting twist. And when you look back, Humans and San’Shyuum were the only intelligent beings on Charum Hakkor,If Humans were de evolved and relocated to Earth, and the San’Shyuum were sent back to their homeworld and quarentined, why would the Master Builder test fire there? it wouldn’t be a complete test, unless of course there was already Flood there, and he was seeing if it would kill the Flood like it was supposed to. And the fact that we have next to no information on the Precursor-Forerunner war, or even after. Up intil the Didact story, there is only eveidence that he has been around for almost 20,000 years. And he knows next to nothing about what happened previous to that. So it would seem the Forerunners did something that would block the Domain from having any of that info, or intentionally kept it out .
This theory is based off the History repeating itself thing.
Humans talk to primordial-Prophets talking to MB shard
Humans can operate and use Precursor tech/and have a “cure” for the flood(from what the Forerunners believed)-Humans can only use Forerunner tech, yet covenant was intent on wiping them out. With no Humans they wouldn’t have been able to go on their “Great Journey”
The part that fits this story: The Forerunners built a contender AI to battle the Precursors and it ends up turning against them- They the built another one(MB) that eventually turns against them.
Pre-novels the Forerunners being “The ultimate good” was a preconception and assumption on the Fans part, there was nothing indicating any of that. From what was stated be Genemender in Primordium it seems the Forerunners used whatever the Precursors used to remove races on them. The Primordial is composed of a Precursor Race. The Primordial was found in a completely different location and brought to Charum Hakkor by the humans, Yprin. It was almost dead when it was found. The flood didn’t manifest until humans started Eating the infected pheru which negates the idea of it being a target biological weapon; especially since the ships were eons old and randomly found across space. The humans Didn’t fight the fight the Forerunners until the had to due to the flood infecting their worlds.
The system The San Shyuum were relocated wasn’t their home system just like Earth probably isn’t ours. The Master builder didn’t expect for The firing to damage charum hakkor and the ring was lit on Janjur Qom do the Librarian going there and causing civil unrest. Um what the hell? The didact is under 10,000 years old it was never implied nor stated he was 20,000 years old. Or the Domain was formed back then.
MB only spoke once and was removed from the ship and shutdown due to what he said.
> civil unrest. Um what the hell? The didact is under 10,000 years old it was never implied nor stated he was 20,000 years old. Or the Domain was formed back then.
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> MB only spoke once and was removed from the ship and shutdown due to what he said.
Um ok, it’s just a little something to think about, in no way could all of what I wrote have happened.
The Human-Forerunner was was 10,000 years before the events in Cryptum, that already Puts the Didact at 10,000. Thenyou take into account his frist mutation was from whosamajig, obviously he wasn’t born and then just put in Command of all Forerunner military. So maybe closer to 15,000? Is that implied enough?
And I am almost positive MB and Huragok spoke, and the Prophets communicated with the Huragok? Wasn’t it stated that MB was an Oracle? Meaning he had to have spoke to them. It was until after MB said that Humans were the true reclaimers of the Forerunner did the Prophets shut him down. There was clearly more than one time that they spoke, MB was where the Prophets got their “influance”.
> > civil unrest. Um what the hell? The didact is under 10,000 years old it was never implied nor stated he was 20,000 years old. Or the Domain was formed back then.
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> > MB only spoke once and was removed from the ship and shutdown due to what he said.
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> Um ok, it’s just a little something to think about, in no way could all of what I wrote have happened.
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> The Human-Forerunner was was 10,000 years before the events in Cryptum, that already Puts the Didact at 10,000. Thenyou take into account his frist mutation was from whosamajig, obviously he wasn’t born and then just put in Command of all Forerunner military. So maybe closer to 15,000? Is that implied enough?
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> And I am almost positive MB and Huragok spoke, and the Prophets communicated with the Huragok? Wasn’t it stated that MB was an Oracle? Meaning he had to have spoke to them. It was until after MB said that Humans were the true reclaimers of the Forerunner did the Prophets shut him down. There was clearly more than one time that they spoke, MB was where the Prophets got their “influance”.
His mutation would have happened within the first two decades of his life. Bornstellar was only 12 and was suppose to get his Mutation. Since the Didact got a brevat from the confirmer that was is first and only mutation.
Nope. The Prophets turned on MB and he told them the covenant was false and he needed to take humans to the ark. he was about to left which would have destroyed High Charity if it wasn’t for the lekgolo frying his circuits. And it was clearly stated that it was the first time MB ever spoke.
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> > > civil unrest. Um what the hell? The didact is under 10,000 years old it was never implied nor stated he was 20,000 years old. Or the Domain was formed back then.
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> > > MB only spoke once and was removed from the ship and shutdown due to what he said.
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> > Um ok, it’s just a little something to think about, in no way could all of what I wrote have happened.
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> > The Human-Forerunner was was 10,000 years before the events in Cryptum, that already Puts the Didact at 10,000. Thenyou take into account his frist mutation was from whosamajig, obviously he wasn’t born and then just put in Command of all Forerunner military. So maybe closer to 15,000? Is that implied enough?
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> > And I am almost positive MB and Huragok spoke, and the Prophets communicated with the Huragok? Wasn’t it stated that MB was an Oracle? Meaning he had to have spoke to them. It was until after MB said that Humans were the true reclaimers of the Forerunner did the Prophets shut him down. There was clearly more than one time that they spoke, MB was where the Prophets got their “influance”.
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> His mutation would have happened within the first two decades of his life. Bornstellar was only 12 and was suppose to get his Mutation. Since the Didact got a brevat from the confirmer that was is first and only mutation.
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> Ok, So after his first Mutation he was put in charge of the Military? Im just saying he is older than 10,000 years old. On top of him teaching at the war college, I mean he has to easily be over 10,000 by at least a thousand
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> Nope. The Prophets turned on MB and he told them the covenant was false and he needed to take humans to the ark. he was about to left which would have destroyed High Charity if it wasn’t for the lekgolo frying his circuits. And it was clearly stated that it was the first time MB ever spoke.
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> Agreed. my apologies
Not after the first one, he just never got another mutation from anybody else after the brevet. If he was then he would be the same age as the librarian which would make his statement of her being one of the oldest forerunners pointless to point out if he was that age himself.
> Not after the first one, he just never got another mutation from anybody else after the brevet. If he was then he would be the same age as the librarian which would make his statement of her being one of the oldest forerunners pointless to point out if he was that age himself.
Your going to make me search through cryptum again. did it say how old the Librarian was?
> > Not after the first one, he just never got another mutation from anybody else after the brevet. If he was then he would be the same age as the librarian which would make his statement of her being one of the oldest forerunners pointless to point out if he was that age himself.
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> Your going to make me search through cryptum again. did it say how old the Librarian was?
Over 11,000 years old