i find it kind of dumb that alot of these people like ONI members, dr halsey and many others dont give a -Yoink- if like 10000 troops die to protect thier crap without them the spartans wouldnt last very long unless using guerilla tactics,those are the kind of people you should just kick in the face and toss in the brig imo
Yeah, I really don’t like how expendable they show the Marines/ODSTs/Army Troopers up to be throughout the series.
Two things, one, any mission a Spartan is on is borderline a suicide mission for anybody but them.
Two look at wars in our history, thousands upon thousands of people were sacrificed in WW1&2 just to win some battles.
And on a side note, UNSC ground forces are portrayed fairly well IMO, our strength has always been ground battles through tactics an superior forces in many cases, ODST’s always have a short life expectancy due to them being lucky they even make it to the surface.
But in reality we are facing a superior force on all fronts, in the beginning of the war I think we averaged 1 enemy ship to 3 of ours.
Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
- Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
- The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
> Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
>
> I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
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> Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
The way Marines/ground forces are portrayed in game has nothing to do with their in-universe effectiveness. ODST is a more accurate reflect of an individual trooper’s effectiveness, but even then it’s limited.
Go read the expanded fiction.
OP, I’m not sure what the hell you mean
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It’s weird, I just replayed Halo:CE and then moved on to Halo 2… and Halo 2, for me, seems to be where the AI being pants-on-head limited thing started out. I mean, on Heroic and Legendary, they did die a lot, but they managed to kill stuff. I trusted one with rockets without him being in my Hog sideseat and he didn’t blow himself up. Or me.
Also, they seemed to get that the guy with the more powerful weapon doesn’t get on the chaingun. In Halo 2, I gave a guy rockets and he hopped on the back, and an SMG dude got sideseat.
Anyway, yeah, the UNSC is much better at its job than most of the Halo games would have you believe.
Halo Wars.
Even though Spartans are there, the Marines/ODSTs are still the primary reason they win some of those battles.
> Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
>
> I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
>
> Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
Nay… The generals in charge would not be sentenced. Your thinking is daft.We are facing a superior military force, how do you expect us to come out with a small casualty ratio? The Covenant are like 200+, probably more like 400+ years more advanced. Not to mention the Sangheili are basically a less intelligent version of a Spartan 2 with nearly identical strength and slightly inferior armour shielding.
> > Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> > 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> > 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
> >
> > I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
> >
> > Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
>
> Nay… The generals in charge would not be sentenced. Your thinking is daft.We are facing a superior military force, how do you expect us to come out with a small casualty ratio? The Covenant are like 200+, probably more like 400+ years more advanced. Not to mention the Sangheili are basically a less intelligent version of a Spartan 2 with nearly identical strength and slightly inferior armour shielding.
Actually Ultra ranks and higher have stronger shields than SII’s and Sangheili are equally intelligent as a human being or a spartan they are just constrained by head on thinking.
Well it all depends, are those regular foot soldiers lives wasted or lives spent?
I sort of see where you’re coming from. Even though we only won something like 30 percent(40 percent?) of the battles in the war, we still won thanks to Master Chief. We were losing the war pretty bad, so if you think about it, it makes sense that so many troops died. After all, the entire reason that we won the war has very little to do with the actual ground troops, and more of Master Chief’s own actions. In a way, the marines were pretty much just stalling the inevitable until Chief really started turning the tide.
> > > Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> > > 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> > > 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
> > >
> > > I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
> > >
> > > Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
> >
> > Nay… The generals in charge would not be sentenced. Your thinking is daft.We are facing a superior military force, how do you expect us to come out with a small casualty ratio? The Covenant are like 200+, probably more like 400+ years more advanced. Not to mention the Sangheili are basically a less intelligent version of a Spartan 2 with nearly identical strength and slightly inferior armour shielding.
>
> Actually Ultra ranks and higher have stronger shields than SII’s and Sangheili are equally intelligent as a human being or a spartan they are just constrained by head on thinking.
Ah, I remember reading about the prophets surprised about the Spartans using better shielded suits and covered it up.
And you are right about Sangheili being just as intelligent as us, but what I was reffering to is something like this:
Preston Jeremiah Cole was able to destroy over two hundred Covenant warships by luring them away from his main battle fleet into his trap, the enemy, most likely a high ranking Sangheili sent his entire fleet to destroy one Human ship only to be completely annhilated from Coles trap.
Basically what I was saying was, they may be very smart, probably about as smart as us or more so in some cases, they almost have two underlining faults, they look down on us and in many cases underestimate us, and second, they are very perdictable once you seariously tick them off.
for as long as i have been reading the halo books iv concluded that the real hero’s of the universe are the regular marines, ODST’s and fleet personnel. think abt it, these are warriors who dont have the specialized training the Spartans do nor the top-of-the-line equipment; or armor. but they are as equally brave going up againt a superior hostile force. and not to detract fr the Spartans but how often does master chief make the comment abt what sort of Spartan certain individuals wouldv made. but to their credit the Spartans always inspire and thats always great to see.
As Toa said earlier, the basic infantry of the UNSC is scaled back in the games for what I think, is a way to guarantee difficulty for the player. The games would be pretty easy if you could really rely on your AI team to mop up the hostiles without you participating.
> > Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> > 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> > 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
> >
> > I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
> >
> > Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
>
> <mark>Nay… The generals in charge would not be sentenced. Your thinking is daft</mark>.We are facing a superior military force, how do you expect us to come out with a small casualty ratio? The Covenant are like 200+, probably more like 400+ years more advanced. Not to mention the Sangheili are basically a less intelligent version of a Spartan 2 with nearly identical strength and slightly inferior armour shielding.
Trust me, if someone screwed up that bad in modern day, then someone would be held accountable, someone in charge. I’m sure the casualty rate is much higher in the UNSC against the Covenant, yes, but down the line, people start learning.
But back to my original point: there’s no reason why Marines shouldn’t be portrayed in a better way in-game. After replaying Halo 2, I can’t see why they can’t be brought back to that level of combat reliability.
> > > Yeah, and if that were to happen in this day and age with mass casualties two things would happen:
> > > 1. Every general in charge of the campaigns would be facing court-martial, trial, probably jail time or execution.
> > > 2. The President would have to resign after approving said trials.
> > >
> > > I can’t say that the UNSC would be fond on sacrificing as many people to fill the number of boots landing on Normandy in World War II.
> > >
> > > Point being I don’t like seeing Marines portrayed as insignificant and underpowered. Any one human being can be strong enough to kill a Grunt with his or her hands, and yet how many times do the prove in game that they can’t even tie their own boot laces without a Spartan being around?
> >
> > <mark>Nay… The generals in charge would not be sentenced. Your thinking is daft</mark>.We are facing a superior military force, how do you expect us to come out with a small casualty ratio? The Covenant are like 200+, probably more like 400+ years more advanced. Not to mention the Sangheili are basically a less intelligent version of a Spartan 2 with nearly identical strength and slightly inferior armour shielding.
>
> Trust me, if someone screwed up that bad in modern day, then someone would be held accountable, someone in charge. I’m sure the casualty rate is much higher in the UNSC against the Covenant, yes, but down the line, people start learning.
>
> But back to my original point: there’s no reason why Marines shouldn’t be portrayed in a better way in-game. After replaying Halo 2, I can’t see why they can’t be brought back to that level of combat reliability.
It’s for the sake of gameplay. It’s like Halo’s weapons: everything is scales back and altered for the sake of the game. Fun take precedence over accuracy.
> It’s for the sake of gameplay. It’s like Halo’s weapons: everything is scales back and altered for the sake of the game. Fun take precedence over accuracy.
That’s understandable, and I understand it. I guess if I could ask for anything it’s better friendly AI. In the Halo 2 Stage Demo for E3 2005, you see ODSTs stack up outside of a hole in a wall, call out targets, and then make a dynamic entry with a grenade spearheading the maneuver. Even if the moments are semi-scripted, or if the Marines simply called out targets and locations it’d feel a lot more immersive.
> > It’s for the sake of gameplay. It’s like Halo’s weapons: everything is scales back and altered for the sake of the game. Fun take precedence over accuracy.
>
> That’s understandable, and I understand it. I guess if I could ask for anything it’s better friendly AI. In the Halo 2 Stage Demo for E3 2005, you see ODSTs stack up outside of a hole in a wall, call out targets, and then make a dynamic entry with a grenade spearheading the maneuver. Even if the moments are semi-scripted, or if the Marines simply called out targets and locations it’d feel a lot more immersive.
I see what you’re getting at. I’m surprised you didn’t like Reach’s Marines/Army Troopers. They were very much like the Halo 2 Demo Marines, if not better. Bungie actually hired a former Marine to consult on Halo Reach.