SR46 still CSR 1?

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I am trying to make sense of the CSR system and could use some help. I’m not the best player out there but my stats are improving over time. I’m not expecting to be CSR 50 or even 30 for that matter. I just don’t understand why I’m still CSR 1 while seeing players with stats as good and worse than mine that have higher CSR rankings.

My last 17 BTB matches:

3 first place finishes
2 second place
3 third place
1 fourth place
1 fifth place
1 seventh place
1 ninth place
2 tenth place
1 eleventh place
1 twelfth place
1 thirteenth place

52.9% of the time I’m in the top 4. Is there something broken here?

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It doesn’t matter how high you place on the leader boards- if you don’t beat people with higher CSR’s than you and keep loosing to people with lower CSR’s than you you won’t rank up.

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I may not be understanding you clearly when you say I need to beat people with a higher CSR than I have. If I am top 4 in 52.9% of my matches then logic would suggest that I must be beating some people with higher CSR’s. I am CSR1 and not everyone I play against is CSR1, some must be higher.

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If you check your Game History in your Service Record here on Halo Waypoint, you will be able to see the rank of every player in the games you played in. It will be called “CSR THIS GAME.” Generally, whenever you placed high on the leaderboard, the other team also consisted mostly of CSR 1 players. In order to rank up in BTB, you need to consistently place higher on the leaderboards than players who are ranked higher than you.

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> It doesn’t matter how high you place on the leader boards- if you don’t beat people with higher CSR’s than you and keep loosing to people with lower CSR’s than you you won’t rank up.

He says he’s still CSR 1. So basically everyone he beats has got a higher CSR than him…(The chance is minimal that he only beat CSR 1 players).
These matches weren’t the best, but he should definitely rank up.
Don’t know what’s the matter though…

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I just went back to check and my last match I placed 1st over a CSR3 and an CSR8 on my team and 2 CSR5’s on the other team.

The game prior to that I placed 10th but had more kills/points than a CSR9 on the other team.

In another game I placed 2nd and had more kills/points than a CSR8 & CSR2 on my team and a CSR5 on the other team.

And yet in another game I placed 3rd and had more kills/points than a CSR4 on my team and a CSR6 on the other team.

This seems to suggest that something is broken with my CSR ranking.

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looks like youre improving. im sure you will be above CSR 1 soon. you mostly do well against lower ranked players though.

to really rank up you’re gonna have to consistently beat the better players.

i saw you had a quit in a match that looked like it had good players. do you quit against strong opposition? that could hold your CSR back.

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The balance of the CSR significant matches from the last 17:

Finished 5th over a CSR7 on same team

Finished 4th over two CSR3’s & CSR8 on same team and CSR6, CSR2 & CSR10 on enemy team

Finished 3rd over CSR10, CSR6, CSR7 & CSR2 on same team and CSR6, CSR13 & two CSR10’s

Finished 3rd over CSR6 & CSR13 on same team

Finished 9th over CSR3 on same team

Finished 1st over CSR6, CSR9, CSR4, CSR3, CSR10 & CSR12 on same team and CSR5, CSR13, CSR3 & CSR6 on enemy team

These 17 games that all this data is from were played over the last 4 days so it possible that there is a delay in CSR rankings? However going back farther I’m still finding more of the same.

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> i saw you had a quit in a match that looked like it had good players. do you quit against strong opposition? that could hold your CSR back.

All my DNF’s are from server/host issues, not me quitting.

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I started Halo 4 as a completely new player. Never played any FPS game online. No halo, cod, bf nothing. Completely new. Don’t blame CSR. Try to always think of what you can do to become better.

-Watch great players you find in matches in theater
-watch yourself in theater
-watch youtube videos
-play rumble pit and team snipers (1v1 and accuracy practice)

These things have made me the player I am. I’m no pro but I’m much improved and I’m certainly not a beginner anymore.

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The individual CSR playlists are relatively easy to rank up in as all you have to do is prove to the system that you are a better player (get more points) than those that are ranked higher than yourself. These playlists include:

Big Team Battle
Action Sack
Rumble Pit
Flood
SWAT
Medal Madness ??? I’m not sure on this one.

All of the other playlists use team based CSR, which means you have to consistently win games against higher ranked players in order to rank up. In these playlists it is extremely hard to get out of the low ranks unless you have a team that you play with. I remember starting out in CTF, it took me forever to get to a CSR 10. After the game started matching me with average players ranking up wasn’t as difficult.

As a general rule, don’t worry about the system. Just do everything you can to get better. Tip: Work on your aim (your HTR account suggests you’re fairly inaccurate). You may need to change up your sensitivity as it may be too high.

Good Luck

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> > i saw you had a quit in a match that looked like it had good players. do you quit against strong opposition? that could hold your CSR back.
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> All my DNF’s are from server/host issues, not me quitting.

Also, quitting has absolutely no effect on your CSR. If you quit out of a game the CSR system doesn’t acknowledge that game as ever happening for you.

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> Also, quitting has absolutely no effect on your CSR. If you quit out of a game the CSR system doesn’t acknowledge that game as ever happening for you.

also for team based CSR?
i’m a little confused on that. many keep saying that u get in fact automatically listed as the worst player in the game for individual CSR / lost match for team based CSR.

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> > Also, quitting has absolutely no effect on your CSR. If you quit out of a game the CSR system doesn’t acknowledge that game as ever happening for you.
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> also for team based CSR?
> i’m a little confused on that. many keep saying that u get in fact automatically listed as the worst player in the game for individual CSR / lost match for team based CSR.

I can say with certainty that your CSR is completely unaffected when you quit out of a game (in both team and individual playlists).

A large majority of the Team Slayer Top 200 players are only doing well because of this exploit.

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> Tip: Work on your aim (your HTR account suggests you’re fairly inaccurate). You may need to change up your sensitivity as it may be too high.

What stat are you looking at that tells you this?

Not saying it’s untrue, at times, I do struggle with my aim depending on the weapon loadout. I’m more of a spray and pray/kamikaze player with the assault rifle and the suppressor. I find the larger reticle more forgiving. It never occurred to me that changing the sensitivity might help me with the ranged weapons.

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> > Tip: Work on your aim (your HTR account suggests you’re fairly inaccurate). You may need to change up your sensitivity as it may be too high.
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> What stat are you looking at that tells you this?
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> Not saying it’s untrue, at times, I do struggle with my aim depending on the weapon loadout. I’m more of a spray and pray/kamikaze player with the assault rifle and the suppressor. I find the larger reticle more forgiving. It never occurred to me that changing the sensitivity might help me with the ranged weapons.

Your headshot percentage is low (Sniper 57.1%, DMR 65.1%, BR 66.7%, LR 48.7%). Most players are well above 75% for the DMR and BR, and really good players are above 85%.

Most of the time I play an a sensitivity of 4, but I do change it based on the playlist (3 for Snipers, 7 for Grifball, and 3-5 for everything else depending on how well I’m playing on a given day).

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What can a guy without surgeons hands do to improve their accuracy beyond adjusting the sensitivity settings?

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> What can a guy without surgeons hands do to improve their accuracy beyond adjusting the sensitivity settings?

Practice with precision weapons. It’s the only way.

I’ve heard Octagon is a good map/gametype to practice in, but I’ve never tried it myself.

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> > What can a guy without surgeons hands do to improve their accuracy beyond adjusting the sensitivity settings?
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> Practice with precision weapons. It’s the only way.

Regular practice is the only long term solution. There are a few short term solutions, but their effects are temporary:

  1. Play a more difficult Halo game online, and then revert to Halo 4. Reach and Halo 3 both have less aim assist than Halo 4 which makes aiming more difficult in those games.

  2. Play Skirmageddon in Reach fire fight, trying to get as many headshots as possible.

  3. Drink some coffee. A bit of caffeine will make you more alert and potentially improve the consistency of your aim. Too much caffeine can have the opposite effect though as you may become jittery.

> I’ve heard Octagon is a good map/gametype to practice in, but I’ve never tried it myself.

Octagon is pretty good if you can 1v1 someone else who is around your skill level, but if its not something you do on a regular basis it is not gonna help much.

Just keep with it and you should improve.

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> What can a guy without surgeons hands do to improve their accuracy beyond adjusting the sensitivity settings?

I don’t know if there’s an easy answer besides continuing to play and trying to figure out what you did wrong. The latter is the harder thing to remember to do.

In my case, I picked up H4 in December of 2012. It was the first console-based FPS I’ve ever played. I was horrible. Totally, utterly horrible. I stayed horrible for a long time.

What finally worked was to lower my sensitivity to 1 and play 4v4. BTB is too easy to sit back and plink with camo, which doesn’t help you improve much. Then I started trying to concentrate on keeping myself out of bad situations (so, avoiding deaths), rather than concentrating on kills. I also stopped using camo. This helped make me more aware of the whole map rather than just the corner I liked to go to, turn on camo, and camp (I’m not saying you do that - I’m saying I did that). I also switched to bumper jumper and started trying to shoot people while actively jumping, which helped me aim better. Eventually I gained enough confidence to try strafing, and after a while, got the basic hang of that, too (it’s usually more effective than just jumping, BTW . . . jumping’s good if you know you’re shields popped and you need to get that last HS before he does . . . but you’re dead if you miss).

Then I moved the sensitivity up to 2, and finally to 3. I think I’ll stay at 3. It’s fast enough for most CQC situations, but slow enough that my aim is still passable.

But the first thing was to try to avoid bad situations (open fields, center of hallways, sprinting before knowing whether someone was near me, and blindly charging or getting caught in medium-to-long-range situations with automatics).

Aim will come with time, as long as you give yourself a challenge by trying to keep the gun on target while YOU move. I still even strafe AFKs, just to practice.

As far as your CSR goes, it looks right to me. CSR is a probability calculation (it’s really just TrueSkill). Beating CSR 2s and 3s doesn’t reduce the probability intervals for your rank much. You have to beat them lots to rank up. Beating CSR 10s would rank you up faster.

I had the same problem when CSR first came out. I was a bit better by then - but still awful. I stayed at CSR 6 - 8 for the longest time, even though I would finish in the top 50% most of the time. The problem was it was usually against similarly ranked opponents. Whenever a 12 or 15 or higher showed up, I got crushed. It was only in the last few months that I’ve been able to move the needle.