Sprint (hear me out)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Before I start I just want to say I know this is controversial. I just have read a lot about it and want to voice many inputs I have received.

I loved the Halo 5 beta. To me it seemed to play well and I was super happy. Then I started reading about sprint and how people don’t like it. All the reasons they listed like it makes the maps larger, causes cat and mouse, ruins competitive play, etc. I thought sprint is great and that they are wrong. Now many months later I have read many topics sort of like this where people take the time to voice their opinion. I originally loved sprint in the beta and loved the fast game play. I am a new gamer and my first FPS was Titanfall so it makes since that I loved it being fast paced. Then I just realized that many arguments against sprint could be valid. Like the cat and mouse because when I thought back I see how often that happened. I love halo and love how competitive it is. It is so much fun to watch the HCS tournaments. There are some ways sprint could change it.

Here is something I read:

> Many people compare video games with sports, so I’ll use sports as an example. Sports have rules. Sports don’t usually change their rules, people just make new sports. Also, sports can be played forever. 343 changed Halo’s rules, They won’t support the old games forever. That is why people are upset. It’s like if it became national law to change basket ball rules so that dribbling is not required anymore, and in fact banned. And they keep doing this so that more and more rules are changed for the worse, at least for those who like how it was before the rules were changed. That said, sometimes rules DO change, but only if everyone is on board with it. In basket ball, there was a time when slam-dunks and Alley-oops didn’t exist. But, when it was tried the first time, everyone was shocked, and though it was amazing they wondered if it was against the rules. There turned out to be no rules against it, and the fans loved it, so it was allowed. Even though the other team was miffed at the calling at first, they tried it too and found they liked it too, so the moves stayed. I compare this to when duel-wielding was added in Halo 2. However, I compare Sprint to removing the dribbling rule in basketball, allowing traveling.

I thought this was a good way to voice their opinion.

I really do not know my stance because while I enjoyed sprint it can seem a bit pointless and can cause cat and mouse.
Feel free to discuss, but I ask that you offer explanation. I do not care what your side is but I want us to get a thorough explanation of your reasoning. I do not want this to become another topic where people write simple things like “Sprint is amazing” only or “anyone who loves sprint is evil” without explanation. I love people to voice their opinions, but you can’t win people over with mindless yelling. You must explain so they can understand. Thank you for reading.

EDIT: Many people keep saying that the sports analogy was my own. It was not. It was just a good way I found someone explaining their opinion. I also liked the pun at the end of it.

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Sorry OP but no we don’t need another thread on sprint. There are plenty of topics around about it and lots of arguments have been given by both parties for and against. There is no right or wrong answer as mostly it is down to opinion and personal preference this topic has been discussed to death it is time to let it be. Once Halo 5 is released then is the time to perhaps start up this discussion again once we now how the game performs until then it is time to give it a rest as before that time nothing will change.

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Uhh, thanks for sharing?

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It’s a good analogy.

Really can apply to anything when it comes to the “evolution” of Halo. Some things make improve the game while still staying true to the formula, like slam dunks. Other things are just a detriment.

It’s not like Basketball fans only want to play the original Basketball ruleset and nothing more. They just want to play something that still remains true to what Basketball is.

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Didn’t read, my answer to your title is “no”. Sprint is here to stay, let this crap die already.

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Ive played halo sine halo ce and close to a die hard fan but adding sprint is good for the series. The reason I say this is because multiplayer/gameplay no vs back then is that the avergae gameplay was at a certain speed (no sprint for halo, call of duty, battlfield etc.) Games need to change some features in the next game or they are just selling a different copy of the previous game. So if Halo, one of peoples favourites for a first person shooter, stays at its current state, halos competitors will leave it in the dust. So adding sprint into a game that needs to evolve into the changing times its good for the franchise.

As for the cat and mouse scenario Halo 5 added a feature that if your shields are down and your sprinting, they wont recharge until you move at the default speed or stop behind cover so this gets rid of the hit and run scenario to an extent.

If any changes could be made to it Id say make it like battfileds sprint where you first start sprinting your gun is still up but once you get going it goes back down but then keep the rest of the features in it they added in halo 5.

Hope this helps :slight_smile:

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The problem with this analogy is that sports and videogames arn’t comparable in that way.

Yes, they share some similarities but the fallacy is that just because they have SOME things in common the exact SAME rules must apply.

I could write a wall of text just to explain in how many ways sports and videogames differ - from target audiences, cost of entry, revenue streams, the psychology of entertainment they offer… but in the end noone would want to read that.

So I make it short: If you really believe that the same logic would work for videogames you don’t really understand videogames and the industry as a whole.

Videogames just have a completely different life (aka product) cycle. The premise of the AAA industry (and we could argue whether or not that is a good thing) is to offer new thrills - it’s much more short-lived. No, old doesn’t have to mean ‘worse’ but if you’re selling the fifth product in a series you’re starting to run out of that ‘freshness’ factor that you need to wow the broad masses (again). And to be honest there arn’t limitless options in a FPS either.

So yeah, the idea you present isn’t stupid - it’s just a little naive.

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> Before I start I just want to say I know this is controversial. I just have read a lot about it and want to voice many inputs I have received.
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> I loved the Halo 5 beta. To me it seemed to play well and I was super happy. Then I started reading about sprint and how people don’t like it. All the reasons they listed like it makes the maps larger, causes cat and mouse, ruins competitive play, etc. I thought sprint is great and that they are wrong. Now many months later I have read many topics sort of like this where people take the time to voice their opinion. I originally loved sprint in the beta and loved the fast game play. I am a new gamer and my first FPS was Titanfall so it makes since that I loved it being fast paced. Then I just realized that many arguments against sprint could be valid. Like the cat and mouse because when I thought back I see how often that happened. I love halo and love how competitive it is. It is so much fun to watch the HCS tournaments. There are some ways sprint could change it.
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> Here is something I read:
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> > Many people compare video games with sports, so I’ll use sports as an example. Sports have rules. Sports don’t usually change their rules, people just make new sports. Also, sports can be played forever. 343 changed Halo’s rules, They won’t support the old games forever. That is why people are upset. It’s like if it became national law to change basket ball rules so that dribbling is not required anymore, and in fact banned. And they keep doing this so that more and more rules are changed for the worse, at least for those who like how it was before the rules were changed. That said, sometimes rules DO change, but only if everyone is on board with it. In basket ball, there was a time when slam-dunks and Alley-oops didn’t exist. But, when it was tried the first time, everyone was shocked, and though it was amazing they wondered if it was against the rules. There turned out to be no rules against it, and the fans loved it, so it was allowed. Even though the other team was miffed at the calling at first, they tried it too and found they liked it too, so the moves stayed. I compare this to when duel-wielding was added in Halo 2. However, I compare Sprint to removing the dribbling rule in basketball, allowing traveling.
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> I thought this was a good way to voice their opinion.
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> I really do not know my stance because while I enjoyed sprint it can seem a bit pointless and can cause cat and mouse.
> Feel free to discuss, but I ask that you offer explanation. I do not care what your side is but I want us to get a thorough explanation of your reasoning. I do not want this to become another topic where people write simple things like “Sprint is amazing” only or “anyone who loves sprint is evil” without explanation. I love people to voice their opinions, but you can’t win people over with mindless yelling. You must explain so they can understand. Thank you for reading.

Well in another world, we have these things called game discs. They can, in effect, be used forever, to play a game on the console they were made for. Large software companies that have been around for years normally have a huge set of servers that dont get shut down after quite some time after a game ends. And even then, the other parts of a game remain playable. Meaning it can be played forever. Not to mention the fact that there have been 10 other threads like this and they all say some version of this. Another analogy is that Halo is Netball, where movement is restricted to a simple area of the field, and sprint can take it to being Basketball. Is this necessarily true? No. But neither is your analogy

inb4 lock

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Companies don’t produce old consoles and CD’s anymore. You have to buy them used, as the supply gradually but surely dwindles due to normal wear or outright being broken / lost.

Most old games don’t have official servers. You can still splitscreen a lot of them but Hey-o, that’s being gradually phased out as well so in 2050 no one will be able to play games that came out in 2015.

Meanwhile you can always get new sport equipment.

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> Companies don’t produce old consoles and CD’s anymore. You have to buy them used, as the supply gradually but surely dwindles due to normal wear or outright being broken / lost.
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> Most old games don’t have official servers. You can still splitscreen a lot of them but Hey-o, that’s being gradually phased out as well so in 2050 no one will be able to play games that came out in 2015.

How do you see that? Once everything is digital it should be easy to share everything older and newer games PC gaming can already do it. Besides that is all console have ever really been cheap living room PC’s that the user can just plug in and play no messing around with setting to get the game running etc as you do on PC.

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> Companies don’t produce old consoles and CD’s anymore. You have to buy them used, as the supply gradually but surely dwindles due to normal wear or outright being broken / lost.
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> Most old games don’t have official servers. You can still splitscreen a lot of them but Hey-o, that’s being gradually phased out as well so in 2050 no one will be able to play games that came out in 2015.

Basketballs break and fade, the old rubber basketball has been replaced with some synthetic material, the courts have changed. The game of basketball that was present in the 1990s is different in 2015.

Getting new sports equipment is akin to getting a new console. The equipment changes, so the game changes

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I heard the new “Basketball 2” that realise in 2016 will have thruster packs and vehicles.

No honestly, I see what you want to say with your post. I also didnt mind sprint that much until I got more into competitive gaming and people explained why the game feels different and what sprint can cause even if you dont see it at the first look.

I would love to hear good arguments from both sides all the time, but there will always be people that wont admit a good argument and play ignorant, no matter what. (both sides)

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> > Companies don’t produce old consoles and CD’s anymore. You have to buy them used, as the supply gradually but surely dwindles due to normal wear or outright being broken / lost.
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> > Most old games don’t have official servers. You can still splitscreen a lot of them but Hey-o, that’s being gradually phased out as well so in 2050 no one will be able to play games that came out in 2015.
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> How do you see that? Once everything is digital it should be easy to share everything older and newer games PC gaming can already do it. Besides that is all console have ever really been cheap living room PC’s that the user can just plug in and play no messing around with setting to get the game running etc as you do on PC.

Not to mention emulation and custom editions of games.

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bad analogy since using the word ‘rules’ can’t really be applied. Rules for sports are something that’s been established. There are no ‘rules’ for video games.

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> No honestly, I see what you want to say with your post. I also didnt mind sprint that much until I got more into competitive gaming and people explained why the game feels different and what sprint can cause even if you dont see it at the first look.
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> I would love to hear good arguments from both sides all the time, but there will always be people that wont admit a good argument and play ignorant, no matter what. (both sides)

Thank you for seeing what I am saying.

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> Didn’t read, my answer to your title is “no”. Sprint is here to stay, let this crap die already.

I am assuming he thinks this topic is meant for anti sprint. It is not. I have no definite opinion. I like it either way.