*SPOLIERS* about the flood …

I feel like infinites campaign made everything about the flood obsolete. The books, the primordial how the flood was going to come back and that jazz I’m a little sad rn

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Tell me about it, as soon as they mentioned the Endless, I was like great another faction not in the lore that ruins it and more books I have to buy to find out nothing :roll_eyes:

Example of Lore Changes

Halo 4: Forerunners are not ancient humans but a alien species that rebelled against their makers the Precursors with massive genocide and took the Mantle (caretakers of all of creation) from them

Halo 5: After establishing lore around Halo 4 with 3 forerunner book trilogy, they then add guardians and promethium soldiers even though the trilogy forerunner book said nothing about them

Halo Infinite : The Endless are worst then the flood apparently :roll_eyes:

Ugh if they add another faction after making another Halo I’m done 🤷

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“Containment facility? The Flood why would I… We both know there are worse things than the Flood on this ring.” - Cortana

So they confirm there is a Containment facility with Flood on Zeta Halo with is what Despondent Pyre thought Cortana was after initially. You might want to bookmark that.

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In the second mission, when you have to get the power seed from the Cylex (?) room with multiple species, there is another room on the opposite side of the hall, and inside is one big Cylex.

The design on the front looks remarkably Flood like.

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Is that a circle with three spikes coming out of it?

The design on the Cylex loos like a Food Infectors form, the popcorn ones.

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I’m guessing the Endless are the new form of Precursor, just like the Flood were.

The Flood/Precursor’s goal was to unite all species in its form. The Endless would presumably tie into that, one perfect species for all eternity. Precursor, Forerunner, are both imply they come before something. Whereas Endless is clearly meant to imply something without end.

It would tie into Harbinger’s dialogue about the forerunners still.

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I’d be fine with the Endless being the Primordial, but if it’s just another bargain bin bad guy like the Forunners just stop. I want the Flood to return, so badly. Going through the campaign and hearing the occasional reference to the Flood, the AI asking what happened to Keyes, etc got me thinking it would happen, and then nothing did.

My fear is that due to the nature of the Flood 343i is trying to stay away from them to keep the T rating, so the Endless will essentially replace them. Assuming that’s what’s going on the Endless will be something really tame, or evil, bad robots that you can beat up with no limitations, because they’re robots. I hope this is not the case, but with how hard they’re pushing the monetization I’m concerned.

Hell at this point even if they’re not in the campaign just being spawnable in Forge would be fine.

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the endless are the vex and dlc for the next expansion will be the vault of glass. gallajhorns for everyone

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The Forerunners not being human was something Bungie left 343 with. I also don’t see why Soldiers appearing is suddenly bad when does like Drones and Skirmishers in last games hadn’t been mentioned in the lore prior to their incorporation.

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Exactly that’s what I’m talking about, it is a big deal because they are not mentioned only until their inception of a new game, heck we are now going to fight the Endless in the next game and there’s even more worse things about them that was discovered at the end of the legendary ending!

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Call me crazy, but I feel like the next story may shed more light on new threats. Just a hunch.

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I think it’s possible that the Endless are the last race of avatars used by the Precursors before the Forerunners rebelled, and that the Forerunners contained them, not being able to destroy them. Then the Forerunners attempted to erase that part of their history, and ten-million years later the only thing remembered about the Endless is that the fear of them. If this is correct, then the Harbinger and the Endless are intimately related to the Flood, and the Endless might be the test that before the Halo Array was fired, the Primordial promised humanity that they’d be given. The Harbinger’s theatric taunts of Master Chief come across as a performance more than a being actually intending to demoralize or kill him. I think this is all part of the Precursors’ larger plan.

My current thought the harbinger and endless are precursor, or at least some form. The use of the gravemind quote in the audio logs at the very least implies a connection to the flood somehow.

There is a flood Cylic in a semi-hiden room in mission 2. No confirmation needed.

Also I want to point out that The Endless / Xalanyn are not necessarily the thing that’s "worse than the flood".
We learn in the legendary ending that the Forerunner super-AI known as Offensive Bias was deployed to help Despondent Pyre to contain The Endless on Zeta Halo.

Offensive Bias could easily be the thing Cortana is after / afraid of. At that point she is still recruiting AI for her “Created” faction. She could also seek to destroy Offensive Bias since it may be the only AI that currently rivals her. Also she kinda stole his guardians so I bet he’s pissed.

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I reckon with the Weapon being afraid that she’s going to go evil they might have Offensive Bias go the same path as Mendicant. So even the “good” AI ultimately fails and the Weapon would be left horrified at the implications for herself. Given how much her story mirrors Offensive Bias that connection is going to be made.

I mean, most Forerunner AI have gone a little nuts over the years. Offensive is unlikely to be an exception.

That said I do think the Endless are a big deal in their own right. If they’re not in some way with the Precursors I would be surprised.

Hope you don’t mind me joining in, but I’d not thought of the possibility that the thing she was scared of was Offensive Bias rather than The Endless. That would certainly be an interesting plot thread!

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Yeah I mean a Contender class AI could probably overpower her even with the Domain.

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Yeah it doesn’t make sense for Cortana to be afraid of The Endless, with them being imprisoned pre-emptively and technically innocent.

In addition to Offensive Bias, Is it true that The Primodrial, aka. the last Precursor, aka. The Timeless One, was kept on Zeta Halo?

I don’t think all Forerunner AI go rampant though. Despondent Pyre seems pretty laid back for someone who’s about to die. She also questioned the decision to imprison and experiment on The Endless / Xalanyn.

I mean you have a point. They tend to go bad. Maybe that reflects the psychology of their makers. But I’m giving Offensive Bias the benefit of the doubt because he hacked / defeated his corrupted brother, Mendicant Bias.

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I think the Primordial was kept on Zeta Halo. Zeta is the ring which Mendicant stole and used as his base for a while.