Tried to avoid spoilers in the title…
Just finished the campaign on Halo 5 - and was wondering why Cortana brought all the guardians to Genesis? They seem fairly autonomous and could be sent anywhere upon their awakening?
She brought them to her, and she was at Genesis. That’s what I think at least. Also, no need for the spoiler warning, the game has been out for over a year and we all know the disappointment that is Halo 5’s campaign.
In all likelihood? To draw in the Chief, so he would come looking for the cause of whatever’s been gouging huge chunks out of colony planets, and eventually find her. That way, in her mind, she gets the Chief back and hopes he’ll stay (We all know how that turned out).
So there’s no actual reason? Is it left deliberately vague?
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> So there’s no actual reason? Is it left deliberately vague?
Nope, sorry to disappoint… like the campaign itself…
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> In all likelihood? To draw in the Chief, so he would come looking for the cause of whatever’s been gouging huge chunks out of colony planets, and eventually find her. That way, in her mind, she gets the Chief back and hopes he’ll stay (We all know how that turned out).
She really only needed the one on Meridian to do that though. The other ones could have jumped to anywhere, and even after he arrived, she had still had more coming to her, which let locke show up and spoil her plans.
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> So there’s no actual reason? Is it left deliberately vague?
Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
Tales From Slipspace kind of explains why Warden follows Cortana around. When she accessed the Domain she basically took control from him and forced him to work for her. So everything he does in the campaign is Cortana controlling him to do it.
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> > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> Tales From Slipspace kind of explains why Warden follows Cortana around. When she accessed the Domain she basically took control from him and forced him to work for her. So everything he does in the campaign is Cortana controlling him to do it.
Really? That is such a dumb reason. That’s like bottom of the barrel stuff they should resort to when they’ve exhausted all other options, not their “from the get-go canon reason”.
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> Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
Did you listen to what was said in the campaign? Cortana survived by entering the domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed, the domain saved her… as said you have to read tales from slip space to understand the warden. No reason for other AI to turn on humanity, well seeing how the domain gives AI everlasting life apparently if you are an AI who is designed to “die” after seven years but now there is a way to essentially live forever… that is a pretty good reason to turn against humanity. Jul was killed off right away in a cut scene. H5 biggest problem is pretty much all the stuff that relates to H4 story was handled in outside media and then they didn’t match the campaign to the build up and didn’t do a great job of explaining what’s going on it seem. Seems most didn’t like the campaign at all and just rushed through it without really paying attention, mainly due to being a bit lost in the story because of the above reasons.
Genesis housed a gateway to the domain. Basically, from the mantle’s approach, to the domain, to the exit at genesis. So she wanted to consolidate her forces where she would be, a gathering, a rally point, before she sent them out across the galaxy.
And while halo 5’s campaign wasn’t the best, it still had things, so stop acting like nothing made sense. (other people not original poster)
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> > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> Tales From Slipspace kind of explains why Warden follows Cortana around. When she accessed the Domain she basically took control from him and forced him to work for her. So everything he does in the campaign is Cortana controlling him to do it.
So… Somehow a humain AI that’s leagues less advanced than a Forerunner ancilla (who is apparently a composed Forerunner), just decided “Yo Warden, you’re my b**** now”, and it just happened? That’s dumb.
Does that comic book also explain who on Earth he is too?
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> She brought them to her, and she was at Genesis. That’s what I think at least. Also, no need for the spoiler warning, the game has been out for over a year and we all know the disappointment that is Halo 5’s campaign.
There’s still new people (especially Christmas time) that pick up the game, so the courteous thing would be to add a spoiler. It’s really annoying that people don’t put up spoilers as much as they should cuz if I were a new player I’d be happy/s to get my story ruined right off the bat. It being out a year doesn’t mean we can just openly talk about it spoil free on a public forum.
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> > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> Tales From Slipspace kind of explains why Warden follows Cortana around. When she accessed the Domain she basically took control from him and forced him to work for her. So everything he does in the campaign is Cortana controlling him to do it.
I always thought he saw her as the highest evaluation of humanity, and the rightful heir to the domain.
The thought of her just controlling him makes him sound rather weak…
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> > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> Did you listen to what was said in the campaign? Cortana survived by entering the domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed, the domain saved her… as said you have to read tales from slip space to understand the warden. No reason for other AI to turn on humanity, well seeing how the domain gives AI everlasting life apparently if you are an AI who is designed to “die” after seven years but now there is a way to essentially live forever… that is a pretty good reason to turn against humanity. Jul was killed off right away in a cut scene. H5 biggest problem is pretty much all the stuff that relates to H4 story was handled in outside media and then they didn’t match the campaign to the build up and didn’t do a great job of explaining what’s going on it seem. Seems most didn’t like the campaign at all and just rushed through it without really paying attention, mainly due to being a bit lost in the story because of the above reasons.
I think that’s oversimplifying things a bit. Sure, there are some who probably just jumped on the “I hate H5’s story” bandwagon because it’s popular, but I think most people who have a problem with Halo 5’s story do so after having tried to understand it.
And if we dig a little deeper into what you said, we see that the questions really weren’t answered all that adequately. “Cortana survived by entering the Domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed”… ok, when did it turn back on, how did she get there (one unified method, not alternate methods from multiple sources), if it was still partially active why didn’t it cure the Didact as the Librarian hoped, what is it really, etc. etc. “No reason for other AI to turn on humanity”… well, it’s not like humans created smart AI desiring them to die after 7 years; it’s limitations with the technology. If humans had a way to make AIs last longer or even forever, I’m sure they would implement it. We see that in the game, many AIs have good, respectful relationships with humans. Sloan was a governor of a whole planet; humans looked to him for leadership. Roland is treated as any other soldier on the Infinity, not less because he’s an AI. And we all know that Cortana was cared for by many (Halsey, Chief, Johnson, Keyes); she was probably the most loved human AI of all. But more directly to the point, we don’t know if the Domain truly “cures” AIs or gives them eternal life. All we have to go on is Cortana’s word, which by her actions in the game isn’t trustworthy at all. If the Domain is supposed to save AIs, it did a poor job with her. “Jul was killed off in a cutscene”… yes, but what does that have to do with Hotrod192’s point that the Promethean forces no longer listened to him? Jul’s Covenant was battling the Prometheans even before his cutscene death. There is no established reason in the game, or even the extended universe, for the alliance between the Covenant and the Prometheans to have dissolved.
Maybe there are technically reasons for some of the things that happened in H5’s narrative, but they weren’t good ones.
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> > She brought them to her, and she was at Genesis. That’s what I think at least. Also, no need for the spoiler warning, the game has been out for over a year and we all know the disappointment that is Halo 5’s campaign.
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> There’s still new people (especially Christmas time) that pick up the game, so the courteous thing would be to add a spoiler. It’s really annoying that people don’t put up spoilers as much as they should cuz if I were a new player I’d be happy/s to get my story ruined right off the bat. It being out a year doesn’t mean we can just openly talk about it spoil free on a public forum.
Sadly though, Cortana’s return was spoiled after halo 4.
Halo follower (it might have been someone else) had some ideas of how Cortana could return. Also the game tells you she’s alive in the second mission, it dosn’t do very much in the way of mystery.
But your right, it is nice not to have new players have the story spoiled for them, they should go into it with a fresh mind so they can judge it themselves.
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> > > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > > Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
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> > Did you listen to what was said in the campaign? Cortana survived by entering the domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed, the domain saved her… as said you have to read tales from slip space to understand the warden. No reason for other AI to turn on humanity, well seeing how the domain gives AI everlasting life apparently if you are an AI who is designed to “die” after seven years but now there is a way to essentially live forever… that is a pretty good reason to turn against humanity. Jul was killed off right away in a cut scene. H5 biggest problem is pretty much all the stuff that relates to H4 story was handled in outside media and then they didn’t match the campaign to the build up and didn’t do a great job of explaining what’s going on it seem. Seems most didn’t like the campaign at all and just rushed through it without really paying attention, mainly due to being a bit lost in the story because of the above reasons.
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> I think that’s oversimplifying things a bit. Sure, there are some who probably just jumped on the “I hate H5’s story” bandwagon because it’s popular, but I think most people who have a problem with Halo 5’s story do so after having tried to understand it.
> And if we dig a little deeper into what you said, we see that the questions really weren’t answered all that adequately. “Cortana survived by entering the Domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed”… ok, when did it turn back on, how did she get there (one unified method, not alternate methods from multiple sources), if it was still partially active why didn’t it cure the Didact as the Librarian hoped, what is it really, etc. etc. “No reason for other AI to turn on humanity”… well, it’s not like humans created smart AI desiring them to die after 7 years; it’s limitations with the technology. If humans had a way to make AIs last longer or even forever, I’m sure they would implement it. We see that in the game, many AIs have good, respectful relationships with humans. Sloan was a governor of a whole planet; humans looked to him for leadership. Roland is treated as any other soldier on the Infinity, not less because he’s an AI. And we all know that Cortana was cared for by many (Halsey, Chief, Johnson, Keyes); she was probably the most loved human AI of all. But more directly to the point, we don’t know if the Domain truly “cures” AIs or gives them eternal life. All we have to go on is Cortana’s word, which by her actions in the game isn’t trustworthy at all. If the Domain is supposed to save AIs, it did a poor job with her. “Jul was killed off in a cutscene”… yes, but what does that have to do with Hotrod192’s point that the Promethean forces no longer listened to him? Jul’s Covenant was battling the Prometheans even before his cutscene death. There is no established reason in the game, or even the extended universe, for the alliance between the Covenant and the Prometheans to have dissolved.
> Maybe there are technically reasons for some of the things that happened in H5’s narrative, but they weren’t good ones.
The reasons for some of the stuff that happens in the game may not be good but they are there. Sure some leave some questions on how or why but just about every Halo campaign had questions for stuff. Maybe more stuff will be answered in H6 or yet to be released media.
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> > > > Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> > > Did you listen to what was said in the campaign? Cortana survived by entering the domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed, the domain saved her… as said you have to read tales from slip space to understand the warden. No reason for other AI to turn on humanity, well seeing how the domain gives AI everlasting life apparently if you are an AI who is designed to “die” after seven years but now there is a way to essentially live forever… that is a pretty good reason to turn against humanity. Jul was killed off right away in a cut scene. H5 biggest problem is pretty much all the stuff that relates to H4 story was handled in outside media and then they didn’t match the campaign to the build up and didn’t do a great job of explaining what’s going on it seem. Seems most didn’t like the campaign at all and just rushed through it without really paying attention, mainly due to being a bit lost in the story because of the above reasons.
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> > I think that’s oversimplifying things a bit. Sure, there are some who probably just jumped on the “I hate H5’s story” bandwagon because it’s popular, but I think most people who have a problem with Halo 5’s story do so after having tried to understand it.
> > And if we dig a little deeper into what you said, we see that the questions really weren’t answered all that adequately. “Cortana survived by entering the Domain, which apparently wasn’t totally destroyed”… ok, when did it turn back on, how did she get there (one unified method, not alternate methods from multiple sources), if it was still partially active why didn’t it cure the Didact as the Librarian hoped, what is it really, etc. etc. “No reason for other AI to turn on humanity”… well, it’s not like humans created smart AI desiring them to die after 7 years; it’s limitations with the technology. If humans had a way to make AIs last longer or even forever, I’m sure they would implement it. We see that in the game, many AIs have good, respectful relationships with humans. Sloan was a governor of a whole planet; humans looked to him for leadership. Roland is treated as any other soldier on the Infinity, not less because he’s an AI. And we all know that Cortana was cared for by many (Halsey, Chief, Johnson, Keyes); she was probably the most loved human AI of all. But more directly to the point, we don’t know if the Domain truly “cures” AIs or gives them eternal life. All we have to go on is Cortana’s word, which by her actions in the game isn’t trustworthy at all. If the Domain is supposed to save AIs, it did a poor job with her. “Jul was killed off in a cutscene”… yes, but what does that have to do with Hotrod192’s point that the Promethean forces no longer listened to him? Jul’s Covenant was battling the Prometheans even before his cutscene death. There is no established reason in the game, or even the extended universe, for the alliance between the Covenant and the Prometheans to have dissolved.
> > Maybe there are technically reasons for some of the things that happened in H5’s narrative, but they weren’t good ones.
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> The reasons for some of the stuff that happens in the game may not be good but they are there. Sure some leave some questions on how or why but just about every Halo campaign had questions for stuff. Maybe more stuff will be answered in H6 or yet to be released media.
Some stuff has already been answered, some stuff is pretty obvious…
I don’t think it takes too much effort to think about how Cortana/Warden probably took the lead of the prometheans before the beginning of halo 5 campaign… They went with what their motivations aligned, until someone came to claim them. Like there’s some stuff that doesn’t need that much deep thinking…
The campaign left quite a bit of questions. Is this even really Cortana or just a fragment or a copy. Is she under control by something else? If Cortana controls these guardians which can pretty much wipe out a planet why does it show her apparently going to a Halo ring? Can these guardians be easily destroyed so she wants to be able to say hey mess with my guardians and I will light this ring?
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> Nope, no actual reason for anything. No reason for Cortana to not be dead anymore and turn evil. No reason for the Warden Eternal to follow Cortana. No reason for the other AI in the galaxy to suddenly turn on humanity. No reason for the Prometheans to suddenly decide that they didn’t want to work with Jul anymore.
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> Yeah, Halo 5’s writing was a disaster.
Some are speculated and some are truth.
1.cortana is speculated to be brought back over some sort of weird project Microsoft has with exbox using Cortana, I don’t know really, but another isCortana in h5 is also speculated to be a fragment of the original Cortana (explains her different attitude) so it’s not the real thing to begin with.
2. Warden eternal follows Cortana because Cortana serviced him
3.they do have a reason tho, it’s the same reason Cortana did so, they disapproved of Humanities wars, and mistreatment of the A.I.s, they also wanted a peaceful galaxy and the presumption is the only way for that to happen is to subdue every race in the galaxy to stop them from fighting the wars they partake in. It’s the whole point of the guardians Cortana summons, they’re to police the galaxy. So the other A.I. Share Cortana story mindset. Fyi: not every A.I. Has gone rogue
4.this ones a huge speculation from why the lromeatheans even work with jul to why they stopped. But if you’re only want why they stopped I’d say it’s cuz Cortana took control from the domain and jul goes vs Cortanas belief and is actually part of the problem. Remember Cortanas goals is to stop war, and jul was waging countless wars. Hum only had minor control if the promeatgeans anyways, he wasn’t one himself, and he collaborated with the didact in the role if follower only but did share the promoeatgeans hate for humanity.