*SPOILERS* The direction of Halo 4's story

First off, I realize that this is totally an opinion post. Some of you WILL disagree. Objectively, I think Halo 4’s campaign was fun. I’m just posting this because I’m interested in seeing if there are any other veteran Halo fans who couldn’t help but feel that the game’s story line felt…odd. While I won’t bring up Spartan Ops below, I feel that it also suffers from what I try articulate in the rest of the post, as well as from some very corny writing that thankfully is not present in the campaign.

Personally, I felt like the way in which the story was told was so alien to the old-school Halo universe I know and love. I guess this “new direction” started with the Greg Bear novels, and to be honest, I purposely didn’t read them because I didn’t like the new lore that was being introduced. I’ve always seen the Halo universe as being set in what I call “grounded science fiction.” In other words, everything seems believable and real, with acceptable scientific explanations behind even Forerunner tech (like the light-bridges: above our comprehension, but logically something that could be possible with highly advanced technology). Indexing and modifying DNA was about as far as I was willing to go, but still, I could reasonably understand that a race as highly advanced as the Forerunners could achieve something like that, considering that even today we are gaining so much more knowledge about that kind of thing.

Halo 4, though, is completely different. Not only are the Forerunners revealed, but all this super high science fiction nonsense is constantly being crammed down your throat. It almost gets downright spiritual, with the Composer and the Prometheans, and bridging the gap between reality and the digital world and all that weird, unexplainable stuff. There are many more examples of situations like this (the dream-like sequence during the conversation between John and the Librarian’s A.I., where by merely being near him, is able to somehow activate his gene geas). Also, I mentioned earlier that I was okay with the idea that the Forerunners could modify DNA. I am NOT, however, accepting of the fact that they could create the kind of colossal “inevitability” that the Librarian speaks of. How does it make any logical sense that DNA could be modified to actually plan the specific actions of every single member of an entire species for hundreds of thousands of years, literally predetermining their will so that the Spartan program is born and Master Chief is spawned? That’s God-tier, and simply not believably doable by anything that’s not supernatural.

Not to mention, the Deus ex machina in this game is out of control. Cortana turns into a physical being by fusing her multiple personalities (…what) into the light-bridge in order to chain the Didact down, who for seemingly the millionth time decides to give the Master Chief a long Dragon Ball Z lecture instead of easily killing him, causing him to drop the Chief, who miraculously lands on the edge of the bridge,and blah blah blah until he is shielded FROM A POINT-BLANK NUKE by Cortana when she somehow wraps the light-bridge around him even though nothing physical exists to project that bridge anymore, after which they proceed to have a conversation, which seems almost to take place inside Master Chief’s mind or inside the hard-light bubble, again with no power going to anything because the ship has already been blown up.

Wow. Talk about a run on sentence, but I don’t know how else to express my exasperation. Now let’s talk about other things that hurt my immersion in the universe. The presentation of the Forerunners is so underwhelming to me, because the Didact’s character makes them seem so ordinary. The Forerunners are supposed to be an enlightened, almost majestic, race. Why is one of their most powerful leaders consumed by such base emotions like anger and a lust for revenge? I wanted them to be the sole protectors of the galaxy, and the most advanced civilization ever. I guess this all just stems from the fact that I dislike all the new lore about the ancient humans and the Precursors. The Forerunner’s enemy was destined, in my mind, to always be the Flood, and the Flood alone. Instead, all the new stuff about the parasite being “created” as a weapon or whatever leaves such a sour taste in my mouth. And Guilty Spark actually being, in some sense, the “soul” of an ancient human? That honestly ruins him as a character for me.

Speaking of the Forerunners as ordinary, run-of-the-mill characters, what is with the ret-conning of their powerful technology? Master Chief is wearing a “class 2 combat skin,” according to Guilty Spark, and the Forerunner’s use a “class 12.” And yet, Chief can mow down Prometheans? How is that even possible? Sentinels, I get. They are low-powered, weak, expendable machines that are simply meant to mop up Flood with their lasers. The Prometheans are supposed to be the army of the Didact himself, a great Forerunner general! Which begs the question, what level of combat skin is the Didact wearing? How can he possibly be defeated by the Chief? Yeah, he used a Forerunner grenade, but the Chief was able to survive blasts from those same grenades! And how is the Didact’s ship destroyed by a lowly human bomb, nuke or otherwise? Maybe you could argue how it’s possible, but see, that’s my point. I never had to do all this logic searching just to make a Halo story acceptably believable.

Now let’s get to the real nit-picky stuff. Artistic license was taken too far. Why did the Grunt’s foot structure completely change? Did the invisible super-secret nanobots get them too? And why do they sound so radically different? The Grunts in Reach didn’t speak English, but they still sounded like Grunts. The Didact’s armor looks really awesome, to be completely honest. But seriously though, does that look like it belongs in the Halo universe? It looks like a new raid tier set for Warriors in World of Warcraft.

I’ll be brief about the actual gameplay. The quicktime events were cool, but they don’t feel like Halo. The music is great, but is was too much in the background, and it wasn’t used to give the same kind of atmosphere like in previous games. Again, this wasn’t bad, just too different for my tastes (like the Star Wars type music on Mission 7, for example). Master Chief’s grunts and groans are realistic, and make him feel more real. That’s the problem, though, because he is supposed to be beyond ordinary, capable of handling any pain and exertion with stone cold focus.

Ok, I’ve got to stop. You get my drift. I know this sounds like I’m absolutely ripping the game apart, but it’s just me trying to explain my feelings. I do enjoy some things, like the exploration of the relationship between Chief and Cortana (as long as it isn’t romantic. I didn’t get that vibe, but if it is, then I take it back). My general feelings about the campaign have actually even kept me from playing the competitive multiplayer as much as I thought I was going to, because I feel so disconnected. The game, as a separate entity not related to the rest of the series, is good. As a Halo story though, it falters. Part of me almost wants to think of this trilogy as a non-canon “what if” story so that I can enjoy it for what it is, because otherwise, I feel less enthusiastic about the classic Halo universe that I loved so much.

" And yet, Chief can mow down Prometheans? How is that even possible?"
Just wanted to point out that the Prometheans in Halo 4 were never designed to be the strongest killing machines in the galaxy, they were made simply because the Didact wanted an army that could not be infected by the flood, the army had to be made fast and with as many humans he had composed he had to spread his resources for them a bit I assume. They are powerful but also expendable. They are not war sphinxes.

As for Cortana splitting herself up that is nothing new, remember Operation: FIRST STRIKE? Aboard the Unyielding Hierophant she did a similar thing.

Glad to see i wasn’t the only one who felt the same way OP.

I agree with some things and i disagree with others.

1)The Didact doesnt use his basic emotions. He’s not acting like a primitive. He sees the humans as a real danger for the universe like the flood was. He thinks doing the right thing and really believes that.

  1. You are right about the prometheans and their combat armor. It is indeed much stronger then chief’s armor. I agree that it didnt realy felt like that, but… dont forget that the chief is not a standard spartan. He and Noble 6 were the best spartans (remember cortanna saying that in reach?). And dont forget that the shield of chief deployers much faster then the promethean knight’s. Anyway… i agree that the prometheans could be a little more stronger then they are now.

  2. Chief winning from the one of the strongest Forerunners ever lived is indeed strange. With a grenade just doesnt make any sense… Remember the libarian shot 2 times with a binary rifle in her husband without armor! And a human nuke that destroys he’s ship and the composer is indeed not a good thing to put in the game. Lol…

  3. they should made the campaign longer, so that they had some room to fit the story better. It just went to quick. To much story to tell in a to few time-line.

> " And yet, Chief can mow down Prometheans? How is that even possible?"
> Just wanted to point out that the Prometheans in Halo 4 were never designed to be the strongest killing machines in the galaxy, they were made simply because the Didact wanted an army that could not be infected by the flood, the army had to be made fast and with as many humans he had composed he had to spread his resources for them a bit I assume. They are powerful but also expendable. They are not war sphinxes.
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> As for Cortana splitting herself up that is nothing new, remember Operation: FIRST STRIKE? Aboard the Unyielding Hierophant she did a similar thing.

True… and if you watched the last Spartan Ops episode… you see memories of a promethean knight deploying on the computer screens aboard the UNSC INFINITY ship… where dokter halsey is experimenting with it. Memories of a Earth city destroyed 6 months ago by the composer… So i think all these humans killed in that city are transported to Requiem and transformed into new prometheans… lol

> As for Cortana splitting herself up that is nothing new, remember Operation: FIRST STRIKE? Aboard the Unyielding Hierophant she did a similar thing.

I guess it was the presentation of it in the game that made me feel that way. She was making physical holographic clones of herself. In the book, I always saw it as Cortana “infecting” the system with her own code, not necessarily creating copies of herself. I haven’t read it in a long time though, so I don’t remember that scene very well.

> I agree with some things and i disagree with others.
> The Didact doesnt use his basic emotions. He’s not acting like a primitive. He sees the humans as a real danger for the universe like the flood was. He thinks doing the right thing and really believes that.

It’s the way that he talks about them, though, that gives me the impression. It seems like he actually has a true hate in his heart for humans, and he even talks in a condescending manner about the Covenant and the Prometheans when he refers to them as “these primitives” in his haughty tone. That doesn’t sound like a benevolent overseer to me, and that’s what hurts my image of the Forerunners. I know he is only one of them, and an exiled one at that, but again, I feel like the Forerunners are supposed to be above that kind of infighting and disagreement and whatnot. That he actually wants to harm life seems so out of place for what he is supposed to represent.

Well he probably does have some hate for humans, remember he lost his children in the war with humanity.

The enemies were OP yet had horrible AI. This is the worst halo campaign I’ve ever played. Not bad, but not particularly amazing in anything other than graphics.

And what’s this “music” I keep hearing about? I heard some amazingly epic ambience, but no real music. Not much was memorable. Replay value is down the drain. Hope Halo 5 does it a bit better.

I totally agree with you on most of what you said. The change from the more grounded lore of the last few games to the really crazy stuff with the Forerunners and Precursors is a bit jarring. It felt like some of the crazy space magic from the end of Mass Effect 3. I still enjoyed Halo 4’s story, but it is very clear that we are going to a new direction for this new trilogy.

I liked the Didact as a villain because he has some good motivation for what he does and it is all justified to him. He sees humanity as a threat to Forerunner ascendancy and he feels that we are too weak to carry the Mantel of Responsibility. He also realizes that our biological form is impermanent and prone to infection by the Flood, which is why he created the Promethean in the first place (who by the way feel like they are the advanced race of level-12-armor-wielding-bad-mother-lovers that we expected if you play on Legendary). So his plan with the Composer is all very logical to him and within the universe’s best interests. He does have a personal thing against humanity with the previous war and the fact that the Librarian sacrificed herself for them, but that all seems secondary when he talks to the Chief about the futility of our actions in the grand design of his plans.

I also agreed with the logic of a lot of the plot points. The nuke blowing up that massive ship, Chief surviving, hard-light beams with out a source, ect. I give some of that to uninspired writing that couldn’t think of more logical ways to advance the plot, but I think in many those instances 343 went for doing big set pieces and establishing overall themes as well as having really profound character moments at the expense of logical plot progression. For example, if we didn’t have that magical hard-light beam at the end, we wouldn’t have had the single most emotional moment between Chief and Cortana ever. I would sacrifice some logic for that moment any day. Halo 4’s story reminded me of the Dark Knight Rises. I won’t spoil that film here, but Christopher Nolan often sacrificed a cohesive/logical narrative for big, overarching themes and great character development. While the best stories can do both, I would rather get good characters and themes that a great plot that is wasted by bad characters and boring themes.

A very academic post, but I think you expected too much of the forerunners, are somewhat confused to as who the forerunners are and didn’t fully think through some of the complications.

Where you say: “The presentation of the Forerunners is so underwhelming to me, because the Didact’s character makes them seem so ordinary. The Forerunners are supposed to be an enlightened, almost majestic, race. Why is one of their most powerful leaders consumed by such base emotions like anger and a lust for revenge?”

The forerunners are revealed to be similar to humans in psychology. The Didact happened to be a very angry Forerunner for particular reasons, which you’ll find if you read up on him.

The Librarian, however, is also a forerunner, and doesn’t exhibit the same traits. So it’s silly to think that all Forerunners act just like the Didact.

“Speaking of the forerunners as ordinary, run-of-the-mill characters, what is with the ret-conning of their powerful technology? Master Chief is wearing a “class 2 combat skin,” according to Guilty Spark, and the Forerunner’s use a “class 12.” And yet, Chief can mow down Prometheans? How is that even possible?”

It is clearly stated that the Prometheans are human and NOT forerunner. This would explain why their battle armor isn’t up to the level of the Didact himself.

“Did the invisible super-secret nanobots get them too? And why do they sound so radically different? The Grunts in Reach didn’t speak English, but they still sounded like Grunts.”

The Covenant in Halo 4 are part of the so called “Storm” Covenant Faction. Read up on them and it will explain a bit as to why they are different.

In Halo 4 we’re really starting to delve into why Guilt Spark 343 kept calling Master Chief, “Reclaimer”, and that to me is really fascinating. We’re learning that human association with forerunners goes much further than the Halo rings.

I will agree with you, however, that the Librarian’s whole “plan” for Master Chief to be the culmination of thousands of years of the human race, is far-fetched, there are certain things you have to take for granted.

It’s important to note too that the flood was NOT created by the forerunners, but discovered by the humans during the original human-foreunner war.

While I applaud your highly academic post, OP, and I really do, I think you’re not quite informed enough about certain topics in the Halo Universe that you should definitely read up on some of it! :slight_smile:

> Halo 4’s story reminded me of the Dark Knight Rises. I won’t spoil that film here, but Christopher Nolan often sacrificed a cohesive/logical narrative for big, overarching themes and great character development. While the best stories can do both, I would rather get good characters and themes that a great plot that is wasted by bad characters and boring themes.

i totally agree with you on this

> A very academic post, but I think you expected too much of the forerunners, are somewhat confused to as who the forerunners are and didn’t fully think through some of the complications.
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> Where you say: “The presentation of the Forerunners is so underwhelming to me, because the Didact’s character makes them seem so ordinary. The Forerunners are supposed to be an enlightened, almost majestic, race. Why is one of their most powerful leaders consumed by such base emotions like anger and a lust for revenge?”
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> The forerunners are revealed to be similar to humans in psychology. The Didact happened to be a very angry Forerunner for particular reasons, which you’ll find if you read up on him.
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> The Librarian, however, is also a forerunner, and doesn’t exhibit the same traits. So it’s silly to think that all Forerunners act just like the Didact.
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> “Speaking of the forerunners as ordinary, run-of-the-mill characters, what is with the ret-conning of their powerful technology? Master Chief is wearing a “class 2 combat skin,” according to Guilty Spark, and the Forerunner’s use a “class 12.” And yet, Chief can mow down Prometheans? How is that even possible?”
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> It is clearly stated that the Prometheans are human and NOT forerunner. This would explain why their battle armor isn’t up to the level of the Didact himself.
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> “Did the invisible super-secret nanobots get them too? And why do they sound so radically different? The Grunts in Reach didn’t speak English, but they still sounded like Grunts.”
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> The Covenant in Halo 4 are part of the so called “Storm” Covenant Faction. Read up on them and it will explain a bit as to why they are different.
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> In Halo 4 we’re really starting to delve into why Guilt Spark 343 kept calling Master Chief, “Reclaimer”, and that to me is really fascinating. We’re learning that human association with forerunners goes much further than the Halo rings.
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> I will agree with you, however, that the Librarian’s whole “plan” for Master Chief to be the culmination of thousands of years of the human race, is far-fetched, there are certain things you have to take for granted.
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> It’s important to note too that the flood was NOT created by the forerunners, but discovered by the humans during the original human-foreunner war.
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> While I applaud your highly academic post, OP, and I really do, I think you’re not quite informed enough about certain topics in the Halo Universe that you should definitely read up on some of it! :slight_smile:

Thank you for a very constructive response. I will try to respond as best I can to your points.

I realize that the Forerunners are similar in psychology to humans, which is why the Librarian is so fond of the idea that they should take the Mantle of Responsibility. My problem with this is simply one of opinion. Before the Greg Bear novels opened up their universe, I always wanted the Forerunners, all of them, to be above these kinds of emotional responses. That is not the case, and I am willing to accept the fact that my vision of what the Forerunners seemed to be in the original lore is completely false. I’m just saying that, personally, it makes me feel very unenthusiastic about them as characters because they seem so different than the “high overseers” they were once thought to be.

I realize that the Prometheans are created from composed humans. Their armor and weaponry, though, is Forerunner, no matter what their “souls” are.

I understand that The Storm is a radical faction of the species that once made up the Covenant. The Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Sangheili should still have the same genetic make-up. This one, though, I am indeed willing to overlook, because I can see how a species could exhibit different traits based on where they live (just like humans do).

As for Guilty Spark, my discontent simply stems from the fact that I don’t like this whole idea that consciousnesses can be transferred into A.I. Again, that treads way to close to questions about what makes a person “alive,” and seems way too far-fetched to me. Guilty Spark, in my mind, is a Forerunner A.I. The fact that he is actually the “soul” of an ancient human makes me very uneasy and changes my interpretation of his character completely. To know that he had a past as an organic being simply doesn’t sit right with me. Also, I get that this fits with the fact that Spark has been calling Chief “Reclaimer” since Halo 1. There are many other scenarios, though, that 343 could have used to explain this that don’t involve the high science fiction of a Forerunner geas and “life-essences” and all those really intangible concepts.

Lastly, I just want to clarify that I didn’t mean to make it seem as if I thought the Forerunners created the Flood. I know that, according to the new lore, the ancient humans found them. I was referencing the fact that there is theory that the Precursors created them.

100% agreed with the OP. Halo 4 was scientifically illiterate, ruined the Forerunners and had several points (e.g. that Light Bridge scene) which simply don’t hold up to the slightest logical analysis. I’d also say the character development was a good idea but wasn’t implemented as well as it could’ve been, and I would’ve done the appearance of the UNSC Infinity completely differently, but that’s another story.

> Thank you for a very constructive response. I will try to respond as best I can to your points.
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> I realize that the Forerunners are similar in psychology to humans, which is why the Librarian is so fond of the idea that they should take the Mantle of Responsibility. My problem with this is simply one of opinion. Before the Greg Bear novels opened up their universe, I always wanted the Forerunners, all of them, to be above these kinds of emotional responses. That is not the case, and I am willing to accept the fact that my vision of what the Forerunners seemed to be in the original lore is completely false. I’m just saying that, personally, it makes me feel very unenthusiastic about them as characters because they seem so different than the “high overseers” they were once thought to be.
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> I realize that the Prometheans are created from composed humans. Their armor and weaponry, though, is Forerunner, no matter what their “souls” are.
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> I understand that The Storm is a radical faction of the species that once made up the Covenant. The Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Sangheili should still have the same genetic make-up. This one, though, I am indeed willing to overlook, because I can see how a species could exhibit different traits based on where they live (just like humans do).
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> As for Guilty Spark, my discontent simply stems from the fact that I don’t like this whole idea that consciousnesses can be transferred into A.I. Again, that treads way to close to questions about what makes a person “alive,” and seems way too far-fetched to me. Guilty Spark, in my mind, is a Forerunner A.I. The fact that he is actually the “soul” of an ancient human makes me very uneasy and changes my interpretation of his character completely. To know that he had a past as an organic being simply doesn’t sit right with me. Also, I get that this fits with the fact that Spark has been calling Chief “Reclaimer” since Halo 1. There are many other scenarios, though, that 343 could have used to explain this that don’t involve the high science fiction of a Forerunner geas and “life-essences” and all those really intangible concepts.
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> Lastly, I just want to clarify that I didn’t mean to make it seem as if I thought the Forerunners created the Flood. I know that, according to the new lore, the ancient humans found them. I was referencing the fact that there is theory that the Precursors created them.

Thanks for the response as well! I love a good, academic debate. :slight_smile:

“I’m just saying that, personally, it makes me feel very unenthusiastic about them as characters because they seem so different than the “high overseers” they were once thought to be.”

I’d like to say that I do understand where you’re coming from as far as the Forerunners being not quite the “god-like” beings we had associated with them as being.

However, I think this can be paralleled in the real world quite easily. Imagine having a favorite rock and roll band, loving there music, thinking they are some truly astounding people because of it. Then you meet the band in real life and realize that they are not much greater than yourself and go through the day to day misfortune and habit that you do.

This sense of disappointment that you’d feel towards the band is similar to the disappointment that I believe you feel towards the Forerunners not being these essentially “perfect” species. I think it makes them more interesting, in fact, that the Forerunners, who excel greatly in math, science and engineering, are still emotional creatures like us.

“I realize that the Prometheans are created from composed humans. Their armor and weaponry, though, is Forerunner, no matter what their “souls” are.”

Maybe what I more meant to say was that, because the Prometheans are made of human souls, they are not suited with the same level of armory that the Didact himself uses. Just speculation, though, as neither of us really have the means to prove either of our opinions.

“I understand that The Storm is a radical faction of the species that once made up the Covenant. The Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Sangheili should still have the same genetic make-up. This one, though, I am indeed willing to overlook, because I can see how a species could exhibit different traits based on where they live (just like humans do).”

I will recant my earlier statement a little bit, because I initially agreed with you when playing the campaign the first time. I felt that the grunts looked to much like dinosaurs, the elites too brutish. But again, the Storm faction may supply itself from a different race of grunts and elites. Again, things that are hard to say, but I do sympathize with your criticism.

“Guilty Spark, in my mind, is a Forerunner A.I. The fact that he is actually the “soul” of an ancient human makes me very uneasy and changes my interpretation of his character completely.”

I’d have to agree with you that this does seem to hurt the character of 343 Guilty Spark. While as an AI he seems to exhibit different personality traits, he still holds the memories and consciousness. So in essence he is a Promethean still. He’s still a great character, though, and the memories shows that 343 Guilty Spark has a stronger connection to Master Chief, the Didact and other significant characters.

I’d finally like to say that even though the thought of human souls being some how downloaded into a construct and being used to create Prometheans seems far fetched…it isn’t so crazy. We still haven’t done it yet, but I believe that some day we’ll be able to simulate human consciousness through a machine. The Halo is certainly science fiction, but I believe that it is still grounded.

I look forward to your response! And thanks again for the great post. :slight_smile:

> Thanks for the response as well! I love a good, academic debate. :slight_smile:
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> “I’m just saying that, personally, it makes me feel very unenthusiastic about them as characters because they seem so different than the “high overseers” they were once thought to be.”
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> I’d like to say that I do understand where you’re coming from as far as the Forerunners being not quite the “god-like” beings we had associated with them as being.
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> However, I think this can be paralleled in the real world quite easily. Imagine having a favorite rock and roll band, loving there music, thinking they are some truly astounding people because of it. Then you meet the band in real life and realize that they are not much greater than yourself and go through the day to day misfortune and habit that you do.
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> This sense of disappointment that you’d feel towards the band is similar to the disappointment that I believe you feel towards the Forerunners not being these essentially “perfect” species. I think it makes them more interesting, in fact, that the Forerunners, who excel greatly in math, science and engineering, are still emotional creatures like us.
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> “I realize that the Prometheans are created from composed humans. Their armor and weaponry, though, is Forerunner, no matter what their “souls” are.”
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> Maybe what I more meant to say was that, because the Prometheans are made of human souls, they are not suited with the same level of armory that the Didact himself uses. Just speculation, though, as neither of us really have the means to prove either of our opinions.
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> “I understand that The Storm is a radical faction of the species that once made up the Covenant. The Unggoy, Kig-Yar, and Sangheili should still have the same genetic make-up. This one, though, I am indeed willing to overlook, because I can see how a species could exhibit different traits based on where they live (just like humans do).”
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> I will recant my earlier statement a little bit, because I initially agreed with you when playing the campaign the first time. I felt that the grunts looked to much like dinosaurs, the elites too brutish. But again, the Storm faction may supply itself from a different race of grunts and elites. Again, things that are hard to say, but I do sympathize with your criticism.
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> “Guilty Spark, in my mind, is a Forerunner A.I. The fact that he is actually the “soul” of an ancient human makes me very uneasy and changes my interpretation of his character completely.”
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> I’d have to agree with you that this does seem to hurt the character of 343 Guilty Spark. While as an AI he seems to exhibit different personality traits, he still holds the memories and consciousness. So in essence he is a Promethean still. He’s still a great character, though, and the memories shows that 343 Guilty Spark has a stronger connection to Master Chief, the Didact and other significant characters.
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> I’d finally like to say that even though the thought of human souls being some how downloaded into a construct and being used to create Prometheans seems far fetched…it isn’t so crazy. We still haven’t done it yet, but I believe that some day we’ll be able to simulate human consciousness through a machine. The Halo is certainly science fiction, but I believe that it is still grounded.
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> I look forward to your response! And thanks again for the great post. :slight_smile:
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You have a very interesting interpretation about why I feel the way that I do, and your post helps me to understand these feelings a bit better. It looks like we have come to a middle ground, where you understand my uneasiness, and I understand your willingness to be open to new story possibilities.
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> After playing through the campaign again, I was reminded of some more of the Didact’s abilities that bothered me. After coming out of his Cryptum, he is able to take over the Prometheans with a simple flourish of his hand. He also is able to atomize walls by simply looking in their direction. Not only do these things seem unexplainable, but they further complicate the question of why the Didact couldn’t kill the Chief if he was capable of these feats of strength. Also, sort of along those lines, I don’t quite understand how the Prometheans couldn’t simply overwhelm the Chief with insurmountable numbers, seeing as how they can seemingly teleport to any area of Requiem at will.

> You have a very interesting interpretation about why I feel the way that I do, and your post helps me to understand these feelings a bit better. It looks like we have come to a middle ground, where you understand my uneasiness, and I understand your willingness to be open to new story possibilities.
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> After playing through the campaign again, I was reminded of some more of the Didact’s abilities that bothered me. After coming out of his Cryptum, he is able to take over the Prometheans with a simple flourish of his hand. He also is able to atomize walls by simply looking in their direction. Not only do these things seem unexplainable, but they further complicate the question of why the Didact couldn’t kill the Chief if he was capable of these feats of strength. Also, sort of along those lines, I don’t quite understand how the Prometheans couldn’t simply overwhelm the Chief with insurmountable numbers, seeing as how they can seemingly teleport to any area of Requiem at will.

The only answer I have as to why the Didact doesn’t just kill Chief is hubris. He sees Master Chief as the unworthy pinnacle of the human race and feels that he isn’t even worth killing. That’s the only explanation I could give. Hubris is usually the downfall of many powerful villains in many of the stories that exist throughout time. Perhaps the Didact is another rendition.

As for the Didact taking control of the Prometheans. I feel like this makes sense because he essentially made the Prometheans and would most likely have some sort of link to them. Especially since the Prometheans are technologically based as well. It’s probably similar to how the Gravemind can control the Flood.

You bring up an excellent point about the Prometheans oddly being unable to overwhelm Master Chief. Once again, the only thing I can think of as an explanation would be the Didact’s hubris. Maybe he underestimated Master Chief and didn’t send full forces of Prometheans to attack him.

Another though I just had was that maybe the Prometheans, being part human, still have some control, little as it may be, over what they do. Maybe they could intentionally not attack full force on Master Chief because they wanted Master Chief to prevail. Just grasping at straws here.

All I can say in the end is that, no story is perfect. While in certain areas you are correct and your attention to detail is great, sometimes you can over-analyze. You could pick out any story in history and find a plot-hole lying within it somewhere. Halo, while a wonderful story in my opinion, is no exception. It’s up to us to decide whether the story is worth overlooking the plot-holes or if the plot-holes are too overwhelming.

I think Spartan ops is building off the story Left from the Thursday war. I think Jul Mdama is going to make the Promethean go after the arbiter and the reast of the sanghilhi on snaghilios

> All I can say in the end is that, no story is perfect. While in certain areas you are correct and your attention to detail is great, sometimes you can over-analyze. You could pick out any story in history and find a plot-hole lying within it somewhere. Halo, while a wonderful story in my opinion, is no exception. It’s up to us to decide whether the story is worth overlooking the plot-holes or if the plot-holes are too overwhelming.

I guess I just think that a lot of these larger plot-holes could have been avoided if 343i hadn’t tried to cram so much plot into a five hour campaign. I feel like it forced them to create convoluted plot devices that wouldn’t have otherwise been necessary.

To me, 343i tried to fit in all of their new expanded universe content but failed to do it properly. Read the Forerunner Saga and watch the Halo 4 Terminals and it just falls apart.

And bungie didnt have there own story continuity issues also AFTER the books came out, AFTER H1 ??? Even the Fall of Reach is a bit off… marketing happens lol