We know that Invasion is out and being replaced. We know the Elites are out and we speculate if they will be replaced. Some of us wonder if Forerunners will be playable, while some still rant and plague the forums asking for the Elites back.
We have the itch, but 343 supposedly holds the remedy.
What are the chances the we only have Spartan versus Spartan? I’ll guess 50:50.
If so, are we secluded to S-IV’s? Or could we see S-III’s vs S-IV’s?
Given the palette for customizing we already have for the S-III’s, that’s not a problem.
We would be returning to the “class based” style of SvE/Invasion, being that S-III’s are better armored and stronger than S-IV’s, while the IV’s maintain sprint and speed.
Or widen the gap even further with II’s. It’s an option since Chief is a II and an already increased player model.
For those that will argue for canon, it’s a holo deck, they can simulate anything they want, including increased body mass and height.
> We know that Invasion is out and being replaced. We know the Elites are out and we speculate if they will be replaced. Some of us wonder if Forerunners will be playable, while some still rant and plague the forums asking for the Elites back.
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> We have the itch, but 343 supposedly holds the remedy.
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> What are the chances the we only have Spartan versus Spartan? I’ll guess 50:50.
> If so, are we secluded to S-IV’s? Or could we see S-III’s vs S-IV’s?
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> Given the palette for customizing we already have for the S-III’s, that’s not a problem.
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> We would be returning to the “class based” style of SvE/Invasion, being that S-III’s are better armored and stronger than S-IV’s, while the IV’s maintain sprint and speed.
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> Or widen the gap even further with II’s. It’s an option since Chief is a II and an already increased player model.
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> For those that will argue for canon, it’s a holo deck, they can simulate anything they want, including increased body mass and height.
While I like the idea somewhat, I’m pretty sure all S-IIs and IIIs still alive, are now Spartan-IVs.
> While I like the idea somewhat, I’m pretty sure all S-IIs and IIIs still alive, are now Spartan-IVs.
That doesn’t make sense, being that they are all different physically, chemically, and by experience. A better elaboration of that would be appreciated.
If it is a realistic simulation,then canon must still be taken into account. A Spartan II would destroy a Spartan III/IV in every aspect of combat. Not sure how it would work in matchmaking without breaking canon
> > While I like the idea somewhat, I’m pretty sure all S-IIs and IIIs still alive, are now Spartan-IVs.
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> That doesn’t make sense, being that they are all different physically, chemically, and by experience. A better elaboration of that would be appreciated.
Yes I have, and fairly recent at that. Just because they are all thrown into the same category, “SPARTAN”, does not make them all IV’s. A II is still a II and a III is still a III, they didn’t shrink when the UNSC created the program.
Take it this way, Jorge-052 was a S-II and was part of a team of S-III’s. Being with S-III’s didn’t make him one. Same thing goes for Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi.
And your armor doesn’t classify you either.
> > Well, let me ask you, have you read Glasslands?
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> Yes I have, and fairly recent at that. Just because they are all thrown into the same category, “SPARTAN”, does not make them all IV’s. A II is still a II and a III is still a III, they didn’t shrink when the UNSC created the program.
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> Take it this way, Jorge-052 was a S-II and was part of a team of S-III’s. Being with S-III’s didn’t make him one. Same thing goes for Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi.
> And your armor doesn’t classify you either.
First of all, I’m not talking about them all just being classified as Spartans, somewhere around page 430 something Director Parkonbvivoiasonkfkc whatever is asked what she’ll do with the remaining Spartans, she responds with getting them all together and putting them in S-IV program. I’m not quoting directly but you get my point. Also it should be noted, while out of armor all Spartans are basically the same. Just because the the tactics to make Spartans became safer doesn’t mean it made them any less sufficient. That’s why Noble team was a rare breed as they had Mjolnir armor while most S-IIIs had only SPI armor.
> > > Well, let me ask you, have you read Glasslands?
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> > Yes I have, and fairly recent at that. Just because they are all thrown into the same category, “SPARTAN”, does not make them all IV’s. A II is still a II and a III is still a III, they didn’t shrink when the UNSC created the program.
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> > Take it this way, Jorge-052 was a S-II and was part of a team of S-III’s. Being with S-III’s didn’t make him one. Same thing goes for Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi.
> > And your armor doesn’t classify you either.
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> First of all, I’m not talking about them all just being classified as Spartans, somewhere around page 430 something Director Parkonbvivoiasonkfkc whatever is asked what she’ll do with the remaining Spartans, she responds with getting them all together and putting them in S-IV program. I’m not quoting directly but you get my point. <mark>Also it should be noted, while out of armor all Spartans are basically the same</mark>. Just because the the tactics to make Spartans became safer doesn’t mean it made them any less sufficient. That’s why Noble team was a rare breed as they had Mjolnir armor while most S-IIIs had only SPI armor.
Not true. Have you read all of the books by any chance? Ghosts of Onyx in particular, which describes the genetic aspect of the Spartan program pretty well
> > > Well, let me ask you, have you read Glasslands?
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> > Yes I have, and fairly recent at that. Just because they are all thrown into the same category, “SPARTAN”, does not make them all IV’s. A II is still a II and a III is still a III, they didn’t shrink when the UNSC created the program.
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> > Take it this way, Jorge-052 was a S-II and was part of a team of S-III’s. Being with S-III’s didn’t make him one. Same thing goes for Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi.
> > And your armor doesn’t classify you either.
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> First of all, I’m not talking about them all just being classified as Spartans, somewhere around page 430 something Director Parkonbvivoiasonkfkc whatever is asked what she’ll do with the remaining Spartans, she responds with getting them all together and putting them in S-IV program. I’m not quoting directly but you get my point. Also it should be noted, <mark>while out of armor all Spartans are basically the same</mark>. Just because the the tactics to make Spartans became safer doesn’t mean it made them any less sufficient. That’s why Noble team was a rare breed as they had Mjolnir armor while most S-IIIs had only SPI armor.
No, just no. Spartan IIs are the best breed of spartans, followed by IIIs and IVs. They had the best genes of humanity, and while they all recieved the same augmenatations as the other spartan classes, their genes made the augmenatations much more effective.
Noble team recieved MJOLNIR because (atleast according to Kurt) they possessed the genes and traits of a Spartan-II.
> > > > Well, let me ask you, have you read Glasslands?
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> > > Yes I have, and fairly recent at that. Just because they are all thrown into the same category, “SPARTAN”, does not make them all IV’s. A II is still a II and a III is still a III, they didn’t shrink when the UNSC created the program.
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> > > Take it this way, Jorge-052 was a S-II and was part of a team of S-III’s. Being with S-III’s didn’t make him one. Same thing goes for Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi.
> > > And your armor doesn’t classify you either.
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> > First of all, I’m not talking about them all just being classified as Spartans, somewhere around page 430 something Director Parkonbvivoiasonkfkc whatever is asked what she’ll do with the remaining Spartans, she responds with getting them all together and putting them in S-IV program. I’m not quoting directly but you get my point. <mark>Also it should be noted, while out of armor all Spartans are basically the same</mark>. Just because the the tactics to make Spartans became safer doesn’t mean it made them any less sufficient. That’s why Noble team was a rare breed as they had Mjolnir armor while most S-IIIs had only SPI armor.
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> Not true. Have you read all of the books by any chance? Ghosts of Onyx in particular, which describes the genetic aspect of the Spartan program pretty well
Yes, I’ve read, and while S-IIIs were chemically enhanced with drugs, S-IIs were given implants, but that’s why I said “basically” as S-IIIs are smaller than S-IIs, being normal human height. The point was they are both efficient in what they do. Which none of it matters if all of the S-IIs and IIIs are going to put through more modifications and give Gen2 Mjolnir armor basically making them all equals.
> Yes, I’ve read, and while S-IIIs were chemically enhanced with drugs, S-IIs were given implants, but that’s why I said “basically” as S-IIIs are smaller than S-IIs, being normal human height. The point was they are both efficient in what they do. Which none of it matters if all of the S-IIs and IIIs are going to put through more modifications and give Gen2 Mjolnir armor basically making them all equals.
It does matter. S-II’s and S-III’s are superior to S-IV’s because they have stronger enhancements and drugs, that’s to say S-IV’s even get enhancements. The S-IV’s are nothing but ODST’s with a little more training and better equipment. S-II’s and III’s were trained from childhood, and given genetic enhancements to make them faster, stronger, and more enduring. The S-II’s were they best out of the bunch because they were given the best in everything, including the Mrk VI that had motorized strength enhancers.
All of that combined, makes the S-II’s equal, if not more skilled, to Elites, with the S-III’s not too far behind. One of the main reasons the Elites were scrapped from MP, that most seem to forget, is that Elites would tare through S-IV’s like normal ODST’s. They have better shields, are physically superior, and are then covered by Grunt and Jackal canon fodder.
This entire thread was based around canon from the get go. Regardless if it’s speculation.
> > Yes, I’ve read, and while S-IIIs were chemically enhanced with drugs, S-IIs were given implants, but that’s why I said “basically” as S-IIIs are smaller than S-IIs, being normal human height. The point was they are both efficient in what they do. Which none of it matters if all of the S-IIs and IIIs are going to put through more modifications and give Gen2 Mjolnir armor basically making them all equals.
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> It does matter. S-II’s and S-III’s are superior to S-IV’s because they have stronger enhancements and drugs, that’s to say S-IV’s even get enhancements. The S-IV’s are nothing but ODST’s with a little more training and better equipment. S-II’s and III’s were trained from childhood, and given genetic enhancements to make them faster, stronger, and more enduring. The S-II’s were they best out of the bunch because they were given the best in everything, including the Mrk VI that had motorized strength enhancers.
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> All of that combined, makes the S-II’s equal, if not more skilled, to Elites, with the S-III’s not too far behind. One of the main reasons the Elites were scrapped from MP, that most seem to forget, is that Elites would tare through S-IV’s like normal ODST’s. They have better shields, are physically superior, and are then covered by Grunt and Jackal canon fodder.
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> This entire thread was based around canon from the get go. Regardless if it’s speculation.
“Most seem to forget” when has it EVER been said that was the reason Elites were taken out of MM? NEVER, because it’s not true. All you know is that instead of children, Spartan IVs are adults, not just ODSTs they are taken from all branches of the UNSC. We don’t know what enhancements they received but we do know past iterations of the Mjolnir armor wouldn’t allow a normal human to wear it with out crippling them. Not to mention with the Infinity using Forerunner tech, it’s safe to assume the Gen2 Mjolnir armor probably does too, so why would Elites have better shields or even been stronger? Nothing in that paragraph made ANY sense.
> “Most seem to forget” when has it EVER been said that was the reason Elites were taken out of MM? NEVER, because it’s not true. All you know is that instead of children, Spartan IVs are adults, not just ODSTs they are taken from all branches of the UNSC. We don’t know what enhancements they received but we do know past iterations of the Mjolnir armor wouldn’t allow a normal human to wear it with out crippling them. Not to mention with the Infinity using Forerunner tech, it’s safe to assume the Gen2 Mjolnir armor probably does too, so why would Elites have better shields or even been stronger? Nothing in that paragraph made ANY sense.
Regardless if 343 said it or not, just think about it. The Elites had a slight advantage over the S-III’s in practically every instance, except Noble Team, which had an S-II.
The reason the S-III’s used SPI instead of standard MJOLNIR, was because of lower COST. The reason the S-III’s didn’t get the same enhancements as the S-II’s, was because of predetermined genetic difficulties, and COST. With the new S-IV’s being an even larger program than either of its predecessors, the cost is going to be spread out even thinner, especially after just exiting a 50 year war. The S-IV’s are going to be the weakest of the Spartans due to cost efficiency. Just because they adapted Forerunner tech does not mean it will be cheap.
And on a personal note, based on reading your past posts, you just love arguing for the sake of arguing. Especially when it makes no difference.
> It does matter. S-II’s and S-III’s are superior to S-IV’s because they have stronger enhancements and drugs, that’s to say S-IV’s even get enhancements.
Spartan 2s might be better than Spartan 3s, but if so it’s because Spartan 2s were the genetic cream of the crop that could survive the process, while the Spartan 3s were all kinds of kids that could survive a much wider process. It never says in the books that the Spartan 3s are inferior to the Spartan 2s physically. I’ve checked. The fact that the majority of Spartan 3s in Onyx are 13 years old compared to 40-year-old veterans wearing power armour makes up the gap. Spartan 3s in the books get crap gear while Spartan 2s got the best. That’s the biggest difference.
> The S-IV’s are nothing but ODST’s with a little more training and better equipment. S-II’s and III’s were trained from childhood, and given genetic enhancements to make them faster, stronger, and more enduring. The S-II’s were they best out of the bunch because they were given the best in everything, including the Mrk VI that had motorized strength enhancers.
We don’t know anything about spartan 4s yet, other than that they’re adults, training on the Infinity, and what we can glean from their appearance and presence in Halo 4 so far. Who’s to say that Spartan 4s aren’t genetically enhanced? Maybe at this point even adults can be enhanced; Spartan III genetic technology is already twenty years old by the time this project comes around. If the Spartan IVs are actually wearing MJOLNIR armour, their bones must be augmented – anyone without augmentation can’t safely use MJOLNIR armour.
> All of that combined, makes the S-II’s equal, if not more skilled, to Elites, with the S-III’s not too far behind. One of the main reasons the Elites were scrapped from MP, that most seem to forget, is that Elites would tare through S-IV’s like normal ODST’s. They have better shields, are physically superior, and are then covered by Grunt and Jackal canon fodder.
We don’t know why elites aren’t in Halo 4 multiplayer, because we haven’t been told why. There’s all kinds of possible reasons, but what people think is possible doesn’t always turn out to be true.
> While I like the idea somewhat, I’m pretty sure all S-IIs and IIIs still alive, are now Spartan-IVs.
no spartan II’s that are alive are still II’s any III’s remaining if any are still III’s spartan IV’s are marine survivors of the human - covenant war with some augmentations done to make them more efficient then they were prior. oh and holy corndog Spartan IV’s are stronger than III’s the III’s have a ceramic composite armor plating and much weaker shields they were in a way the spartan cannon fodder