Spartan's don't feel military anymore...

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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If you have read the halo books lets say Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx every time you read about the Spartans during a mission they just feel more military same situation mainly on Halo: Reach and the Original Halo trilogy. Seeing this new intro for Halo 5 guardians yea its cool and all but it doesn’t seem like anything Spartans would actually plan doing. Maybe in a situation where they had no choice half way through a mission but that intro looked like the beginning of a mission. If anything 343 is trying to make this look like an Avengers type thing. Its basically Avengers with Halo painted on it. My point is halo has (or had) its own style and one point and to me it feels like its just different. Halo 5 does still interest me and I have full intention on playing it but at the same time I look at it and think “meh”.

EDIT:::::::::: Okay I had no Idea this topic would catch on this fast but reading some of the replies some of you think its just the way Spartans are now. Okay lets look into this.

Spartan-IV’s (343’s Spartans)
Lets just take a look at this picture.

I figured it would be fare to use in game pictures to describe what we have here. Yea it looks beautiful the style, the graphics but to me they are not Spartans. The armour is bloody YELLOW! Unless that Spartan is planning a stealth mission in a pile of Scrooge Mcducks gold then I would say he/she is the most noticeable guy on the battlefield. But hey maybe yellow works in that environmentin the picture but I doubt that Spartan will be in a lava zone all the time and I doubt even more that he changes his colour for every mission he is on, Would Tanaka do that? How is that colour going to work when we see him in in a green forest map in. In my opinion The UNSC just chose a random guy to be a Spartan and he is an unprofessional one at that.

Spartan-II/III’s (Bungie’s Spartans)

THESE ARE FRIGGIN SPARTANS! look at them! Ill admit Kat-B320’s armour is the brightest of the team but it works because at least its not as bright as the sun! And look at their equipment, the packs and the side attachments on their helmets. These guys look like they are prepared to kick some covenant -Yoink-.

Also This cut scene and I know we have only seen one halo 5 cut scene but I would love to see stuff like this. The way they talk the teams movements and Carter-A259’s decisions as a commander. This is what I mean by the Spartans being “Military”.

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You gotta remember the books were written about Spartan IIs or IIIs. Total badasses but used a different style of tactics. These are Dpartan IVs they have way better technology and shielding and armor is a lot less bulky. Not to mention the best of the best. It’s not like ONI grabbed a couple of rookies to go after chief. Yes the opening scene was a bit ridiculous. But I think that was the point. To make it slightly over the top.

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> If you have read the halo books lets say Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx every time you read about the Spartans during a mission they just feel more military same situation mainly on Halo: Reach and the Original Halo trilogy. Seeing this new intro for Halo 5 guardians yea its cool and all but it doesn’t seem like anything Spartans would actually plan doing. Maybe in a situation where they had no choice half way through a mission but that intro looked like the beginning of a mission. If anything 343 is trying to make this look like an Avengers type thing. Its basically Avengers with Halo painted on it. My point is halo has (or had) its own style and one point and to me it feels like its just different. Halo 5 does still interest me and I have full intention on playing it but at the same time I look at it and think “meh”.

Spartan have been Known to do things like this all the time. Osiris Made a HALO jump but instead of using parachutes Or a drop pod They used there armor and thrusters, Which has been done in the past using older and far outdated armor. Halsey’s designs for the mark VII armor Had personal slip-space capability so that they could jump from ship exciting slip-space and HALO jump on to a location faster. I cant believe People are actually complaining about this. We have seen stuff like this before all over the Cannon, Just because the Game-play never reflected this doesn’t mean the universe is the same.

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You mean how they covertly inserted themselves into an existing conflict and cut down Remnant forces by surprise while also taking out several Promethean Knights on their way to perform a hit-hard, in-&-out smash and grab on Dr. Halsey and Jul Mdama?

How the Elites that make up this rag-tag separatist group of the Covenant over whom Jul is losing control fell too easily to four Spartans IVs in the most advanced Mjolnir armor yet who caught them off-guard as they literally smashed down from the heavens and attacked them while they were preoccupied battling Promethean forces?

How they swept through like the Avengers and easily over-took a foe that’s fighting the Swords of Sangheilios, Humanity, and the Didact’s forces all at once? That’s spread too thin, lacking the might and power they once had?

How it doesn’t have the same desperate feel of the previous Human/Covenant War where humanity was at a disadvantage and facing extinction from a massive unified Covenant Annihilation Machine before that Annihilation Machine imploded allowing humanity to gain the upper-hand and come out victorious?

Well, yeah, that is the case. Jul’s forces are more like an fundamentalist insurgent group than what we were fighting in the older games. Humanity has won that war. They’re trying to maintain order and dominance. They’re trying figure out what’s with all the “deep space anomalies”, Forerunner activity, and rising Guardians before the separatists find a way to take advantage of it and use it to attack humanity and the Swords of Sangheilios.

Halo had a different style ten + years ago, yes. But those were under very different circumstances. Lore-wise, and gameplay wise.

I’m not sure you’re really inquiring about the lore situation and why things have changed in regards to the story, or more along the lines of “this game feels different now”. But it’s supposed to. This goes for campaign and multiplayer: I don’t want to be buying the same game and having the same experience in 2015 that I was in 2001.

It’s changed a lot over the years, and that’s one of the reasons I stay so interested in it. I understand that’s the same reason others lose interest in it. They feel that the game has it’s niche, and it needs to stay there forever in order to be “that game” and if they want to play something different, they’ll buy a different game. But that’s not how I feel a franchise should work, especially one this old.

In terms of the story, humanity went from facing annihilation to being essentially the galaxy’s police by Halo 4. And we’re about to find out how well that’s been going for them.

TLDR: This Covenant doesn’t feel like the same covenant from the original trilogy+Reach because it’s not. The Arbiter’s forces (Swords of Sangheilios), humanity’s ally, probably does function more militaristic. Think of Jul’s forces as an insurgent group.

EDIT!!!: for some reason, I thought you were talking about the Elites not feeling military anymore … lol. My bad.
Osiris functions a little differently than most Fireteams. They’re like the Navy Seals or SAS … covert ops and that.

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> You mean how they covertly inserted themselves into an existing conflict and cut down Remnant forces by surprise while also taking out several Promethean Knights on their way to perform a hit-hard, in-&-out smash and grab on Dr. Halsey and Jul Mdama?
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> How the Elites that make up this rag-tag separatist group of the Covenant over whom Jul is losing control fell too easily to four Spartans IVs in the most advanced Mjolnir armor yet who caught them off-guard as they literally smashed down from the heavens and attacked them while they were preoccupied battling Promethean forces?
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> How they swept through like the Avengers and easily over-took a foe that’s fighting the Swords of Sangheilios, Humanity, and the Didact’s forces all at once? That’s spread too thin, lacking the might and power they once had?
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> How it doesn’t have the same desperate feel of the previous Human/Covenant War where humanity was at a disadvantage and facing extinction from a massive unified Covenant Annihilation Machine before that Annihilation Machine imploded allowing humanity to gain the upper-hand and come out victorious?
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> Well, yeah, that is the case. Jul’s forces are more like an fundamentalist insurgent group than what we were fighting in the older games. Humanity has won that war. They’re trying to maintain order and dominance. They’re trying figure out what’s with all the “deep space anomalies”, Forerunner activity, and rising Guardians before the separatists find a way to take advantage of it and use it to attack humanity and the Swords of Sangheilios.
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> Halo had a different style ten + years ago, yes. But those were under very different circumstances. Lore-wise, and gameplay wise.
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> I’m not sure you’re really inquiring about the lore situation and why things have changed in regards to the story, or more along the lines of “this game feels different now”. But it’s supposed to. This goes for campaign and multiplayer: I don’t want to be buying the same game and having the same experience in 2015 that I was in 2001.
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> It’s changed a lot over the years, and that’s one of the reasons I stay so interested in it. I understand that’s the same reason others lose interest in it. They feel that the game has it’s niche, and it needs to stay there forever in order to be “that game” and if they want to play something different, they’ll buy a different game. But that’s not how I feel a franchise should work, especially one this old.
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> In terms of the story, humanity went from facing annihilation to being essentially the galaxy’s police by Halo 4. And we’re about to find out how well that’s been going for them.
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> TLDR: This Covenant doesn’t feel like the same covenant from the original trilogy+Reach because it’s not. The Arbiter’s forces (Swords of Sangheilios), humanity’s ally, probably does function more militaristic. Think of Jul’s forces as an insurgent group.
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> EDIT!!!: for some reason, I thought you were talking about the Elites not feeling military anymore … lol. My bad.
> Osiris functions a little differently than most Fireteams. They’re like the Navy Seals or SAS … covert ops and that.

People always complain when Spartans fight like actual Spartans.

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> If you have read the halo books lets say Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx every time you read about the Spartans during a mission they just feel more military same situation mainly on Halo: Reach and the Original Halo trilogy. Seeing this new intro for Halo 5 guardians yea its cool and all but it doesn’t seem like anything Spartans would actually plan doing. Maybe in a situation where they had no choice half way through a mission but that intro looked like the beginning of a mission. If anything 343 is trying to make this look like an Avengers type thing. Its basically Avengers with Halo painted on it. My point is halo has (or had) its own style and one point and to me it feels like its just different. Halo 5 does still interest me and I have full intention on playing it but at the same time I look at it and think “meh”.

“Its basically Avengers with Halo painted”
I think like you.
Maybe covenants just became more dumb and dumber as time passes, like the whole halo franchise.

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Are you kidding me? The intro scene matches perfectly with how I imagined Spartans in the books.

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The UNSC is also no longer in a war where they are losing planets faster than flys are dropping, so there is no real need to continue making a traditional military force. Free time = play time for ONI and the UEG.

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> You gotta remember the books were written about Spartan IIs or IIIs. Total badasses but used a different style of tactics. These are Dpartan IVs they have way better technology and shielding and armor is a lot less bulky. Not to mention the best of the best. It’s not like ONI grabbed a couple of rookies to go after chief. Yes the opening scene was a bit ridiculous. But I think that was the point. To make it slightly over the top.

I wouldn’t say over-the-top, more overblown I think. But the yeah I agree, the Spartan IVs have all new tech at their disposal which would allow them to do that. Thr IIs could also do feats similar to that in the books.

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> > If you have read the halo books lets say Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx every time you read about the Spartans during a mission they just feel more military same situation mainly on Halo: Reach and the Original Halo trilogy. Seeing this new intro for Halo 5 guardians yea its cool and all but it doesn’t seem like anything Spartans would actually plan doing. Maybe in a situation where they had no choice half way through a mission but that intro looked like the beginning of a mission. If anything 343 is trying to make this look like an Avengers type thing. Its basically Avengers with Halo painted on it. My point is halo has (or had) its own style and one point and to me it feels like its just different. Halo 5 does still interest me and I have full intention on playing it but at the same time I look at it and think “meh”.
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> “Its basically Avengers with Halo painted”
> I think like you.
> Maybe covenants just became more dumb and dumber as time passes, like the whole halo franchise.

Nah the faux Fan base is the thing which is getting dumber as evidenced by their lack of understanding of Halo lore and their lack of critical thinking skills.

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> > > If you have read the halo books lets say Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx every time you read about the Spartans during a mission they just feel more military same situation mainly on Halo: Reach and the Original Halo trilogy. Seeing this new intro for Halo 5 guardians yea its cool and all but it doesn’t seem like anything Spartans would actually plan doing. Maybe in a situation where they had no choice half way through a mission but that intro looked like the beginning of a mission. If anything 343 is trying to make this look like an Avengers type thing. Its basically Avengers with Halo painted on it. My point is halo has (or had) its own style and one point and to me it feels like its just different. Halo 5 does still interest me and I have full intention on playing it but at the same time I look at it and think “meh”.
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> > “Its basically Avengers with Halo painted”
> > I think like you.
> > Maybe covenants just became more dumb and dumber as time passes, like the whole halo franchise.
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> Nah the faux Fan base is the thing which is getting dumber as evidenced by their lack of understanding of Halo lore and their lack of critical thinking skills.

Sadly I’ve talked with a few people who believed the books and comics weren’t canon :L
Yes ALL of them. The Flood, Ghosts of Onyx, all of them. Only the games matter.

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You mean how like Chief and several other Spartans attacked a -Yoinking!- Covenant fleet head-on while sitting on cobbled together Booster Frames before Chief, Kelly and Fred infiltrate the flagship and sprint through it killing everything in their path? But Osiris sprinting down a mountain is just too much? OK, sure whatever.

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> You gotta remember the books were written about Spartan IIs or IIIs. Total badasses but used a different style of tactics. These are Dpartan IVs they have way better technology and shielding and armor is a lot less bulky. Not to mention the best of the best. It’s not like ONI grabbed a couple of rookies to go after chief. Yes the opening scene was a bit ridiculous. But I think that was the point. To make it slightly over the top.

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My gripe with how the spartans seem less military is mostly just the fact they no longer all have camouflage based armour and stand out like a soar thumb.

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> You gotta remember the books were written about Spartan IIs or IIIs. Total badasses but used a different style of tactics. These are Dpartan IVs they have way better technology and shielding and armor is a lot less bulky. Not to mention the best of the best. It’s not like ONI grabbed a couple of rookies to go after chief. Yes the opening scene was a bit ridiculous. But I think that was the point. To make it slightly over the top.

Outside of Buck, everyone there is a rookie. Vale got to be a spartan because she shot pretty good in a war game. Not the best shooter but was on the top scores.

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> You mean how like Chief and several other Spartans attacked a -Yoinking!- Covenant fleet head-on

They didnt attack a covenant fleet they were looking for Halsey.
The tracker signal was weak so they needed to get close which is why they use the boosters frames launched from a cloaked ship to sneak through and didnt attack with a fleet of ships.
On top of that if the mission failed they were all going to end up dead.

> while sitting on cobbled together Booster Frames

Can you please tell us where did you get the idea that the booster frames were “cobbled together”?

> before Chief, Kelly and Fred infiltrate the flagship and sprint through it killing everything in their path?

They the only killed things in front that were blocking them and they were smart about it.
Fred opened up the path with the Spartan Laser and the only two charged in.
They were fighting all minors from what i saw.
When they finally encountered Elites they had to leave one behind.
And when 117 got into it with an Elite Major it didnt look too good for him.
BTW, they lost 2 spartans.

> But Osiris sprinting down a mountain is just too much? OK, sure whatever.

Where are their booster frames?
Where are the smart tactics?
They taking down the most high rank elites like nothing.
How many are going to die?

The Package was supposed to be a goofy anime-like presentation but it’s way more consistent with what we have seen than what we got with 5.

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It all depends on the mission. Simple as that. Sometimes a Spartan goes stealthy. Sometimes they need to bust down some doors.

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> They didnt attack a covenant fleet they were looking for Halsey.
> The tracker signal was weak so they needed to get close which is why they use the boosters frames launched from a cloaked ship to sneak through and didnt attack with a fleet of ships.
> On top of that if the mission failed they were all going to end up dead.

And by that same logic Osiris was not engaging the entirely of the enemy forces as they went down the mountain. Yet the Spartan-IIs still engaged with enemy spacecraft, so it was hardly a sneak attack by the time they got close to the ships. Super dangerous either way.

> Can you please tell us where did you get the idea that the booster frames were “cobbled together”?

Because Frankie said they were.

> They the only killed things in front that were blocking them and they were smart about it.
> Fred opened up the path with the Spartan Laser and the only two charged in.
> They were fighting all minors from what i saw.
> When they finally encountered Elites they had to leave one behind.
> And when 117 got into it with an Elite Major it didnt look too good for him.
> BTW, they lost 2 spartans.

Odd, I don’t see what was so smart of a tactic regarding John leaping into the air, going upside down and twirling around dual-wielding SMGs. Seems if Spartans are able to do such acrobatics I fail to see the problem with Osiris just running.

> Where are their booster frames?
> Where are the smart tactics?
> They taking down the most high rank elites like nothing.
> How many are going to die?The Package was supposed to be a goofy anime-like presentation but it’s way more consistent with what we have seen than what we got with 5.

They don’t need the Booster Frames, it is a simply job of getting down the mountain from Point A to Point B. I would also say you exaggerate a few things. In the opening I do see Locke engage a high ranking Elite…with a shotgun at close range. I see them use ground pound to deal massive damage. I see Locke grab a Ghost pilot’s head and push them out of their vehicle. I see Vale punch a Jackal in the face and knock it off the Phantom AND get in too close for the Elites to use their swords properly. So it isn’t like in Spartan Ops where Palmer could insta-kill baddies with her pistols.

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OP doesn’t really make sense. Post is just a bunch of rambling honestly.

The intro cutscene really is 343 trying to show what Spartans are capable of, in the books we are shown that Spartans can do some crazy stuff but in this intro we are seeing what they can do with GEN2 armor further augmenting their abilities. I don’t see why people compare it to Avengers - it has little relation. The only reason people do is because they want to grasp at another reason to hate at Halo 5 because they want to seem cool with the hate bandwagon.

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Cough

The Halo 5 opening cutscene is the most Spartan-like sequence we have ever seen in a Halo game. The other games have failed miserably to portray Spartans in a lore-friendly way, regardless of how awesome we all think those games are.