Will there every be a Spartan-V program? Post your thoughts here.
There isn’t a point for a Spartan-V program.
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> There isn’t a point for a Spartan-V program.
Well, there’s always room for improvement.
The Spartan IV program isn’t even an “improvement” though. Adults are finally able to be augmented without casualties and yet they got no augmentations on par with the last two classes. As compensation Mjolnir was significantly improved, the S-IVs are essentially ODSTs in power armor. Which is fine, but not worth calling them “Spartan IVs”.
The Assembly,Halsey, and Ackerson, all planned to augment Humanity as a whole eventually. What we see in the Spartan IVs is an initial step towards that goal. A “Spartan V” program would consistent of more washed down aug/supplementary augs, and even stronger power armor. Given a few more decades the entire military will have basic augmentations and considerable power armor if the trend continues.
If anything the current iteration of Spartan-IVs are the fifth generation…
Orions/Spartan-Is (Avery Junior Johnson)
Spartan-IIs (John-117, Musa-096)
Spartan-IIIs (Spartan-B312, Jun-A266)
Spartan-IVs (Ilsa Zane)
Spartan-IV.Is (Jameson Locke, Sarah Palmer)
Nope, the is no real need, unless they have secretly captured more children to train like the spartan II’s there is no point.
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> The Spartan IV program isn’t even an “improvement” though. Adults are finally able to be augmented without casualties and yet they got no augmentations on par with the last two classes. As compensation Mjolnir was significantly improved, the S-IVs are essentially ODSTs in power armor. Which is fine, but not worth calling them “Spartan IVs”.
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> The Assembly,Halsey, and Ackerson, all planned to augment Humanity as a whole eventually. What we see in the Spartan IVs is an initial step towards that goal. A “Spartan V” program would consistent of more washed down aug/supplementary augs, and even stronger power armor. Given a few more decades the entire military will have basic augmentations and considerable power armor if the trend continues.
Yea I doubt that’s the route it going to go. Why would the augs get weaker? As their understanding of medical technology improves, so should their ability to augment adults to the maximum degree. I think the librarian’s tinkering will make sure of that. IIsa Zane is proof that they can create augs in adults that surpass the II’s and III’s augmentations. They just need to learn to get it right
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> There isn’t a point for a Spartan-V program.
My thoughts exactly.
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> The Spartan IV program isn’t even an “improvement” though. Adults are finally able to be augmented without casualties and yet they got no augmentations on par with the last two classes. As compensation Mjolnir was significantly improved, the S-IVs are essentially ODSTs in power armor. Which is fine, but not worth calling them “Spartan IVs”.
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> The Assembly,Halsey, and Ackerson, all planned to augment Humanity as a whole eventually. What we see in the Spartan IVs is an initial step towards that goal. A “Spartan V” program would consistent of more washed down aug/supplementary augs, and even stronger power armor. Given a few more decades the entire military will have basic augmentations and considerable power armor if the trend continues.
This is exactly what I think. No need for s5’s and sIV’s are basically ODST’s with upgraded MJolnir armour. I believe a true spartan is a Spartan II and III.
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> > The Spartan IV program isn’t even an “improvement” though. Adults are finally able to be augmented without casualties and yet they got no augmentations on par with the last two classes. As compensation Mjolnir was significantly improved, the S-IVs are essentially ODSTs in power armor. Which is fine, but not worth calling them “Spartan IVs”.
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> Yea I doubt that’s the route it going to go. Why would the augs get weaker? As their understanding of medical technology improves, so should their ability to augment adults to the maximum degree. I think the librarian’s tinkering will make sure of that. IIsa Zane is proof that they can create augs in adults that surpass the II’s and III’s augmentations. They just need to learn to get it right
Look at the S-IVs, they got beat by marines in their post-aug training. From what Initiation showed strength augs were given so they could wear power armor and the rest were random supplementary augs. Maybe they aren’t weaker, but the focus doesn’t seem geared towards making S-II/III caliber solders without power armor.
Yeah, realistically that would be the case with medical advancements but if you haven’t noticed the general lifspan for a human in Halo is still around 80. You’d think that would have increased to at least 115 with another 300 years of steady technological progress.
I have a feeling the original S-IV group was more of ONI’s project than the UNSC’s. Remember when Ackerson wanted his own personal army of S-IIIs? Zane (to me) looks like ONI’s attempt at making a power house super soldier to enact their will. Look at how strong they currently are and imagine 20-30 Spartans of that caliber under their complete control.
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> Yeah, realistically that would be the case with medical advancements but if you haven’t noticed the general lifspan for a human in Halo is still around 80. You’d think that would have increased to at least 115 with another 300 years of steady technological progress.
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Yea 343i really dropped the ball with that whole human lifespan thing; that really irks me. But yea I see your point. And if you’re right about the whole oni spartan thing, then thats some scary -Yoink-.
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> Look at the S-IVs, they got beat by marines in their post-aug training.
And John was shot by an Insurrectionist after being augmented.
Besides, Brian Reed wrote Initiations, which also includes a scene of Palmer going toe to toe with a Chieftain. His works are just filled with characters doing insanely dumb -Yoink-. Case in point, in Episode 2 of Spartan Ops, Hoya just decides to run out of cover when Majestic was being attacked by Prometheans. It wasn’t like he was trying to draw fire away from his team or try and flank the enemy, or anything. He just had a death wish, apparently. Not to mention how the only reason Thorne ended up getting captured was because he decided to fiddle with the Artifact, despite the Glassman incident.
And that’s basically what happened during that training exercise: the Spartan-IVs forgot to use their brain box. No amount of augmentation is going to fix stupid.
> From what Initiation showed strength augs were given so they could wear power armor and the rest were random supplementary augs.
Except, ya know, you don’t need enhanced muscles to pilot the MJOLNIR. The reinforced skeleton is probably the only completely necessary augmentation, so that the operator doesn’t break every bone in their body. And the reaction time to keep up with themselves.
I’m aware Halsey said that the Spartans’ strength was also necessary, but this is obviously not true, considering that the normal person who was piloting the suit in the first place moves just fine.
> “Power is on,” someone said from off screen. “Move your right arm, please.”
> The soldier’s arm blurred forward with incredible speed.
The issue was that his bones couldn’t take it. Not to mention the fact that the armor is POWERED. Kinda negates any sort of agility increase the armor offered if the Spartan has to work AGAINST the suit’s weight with their own strength.
> Maybe they aren’t weaker, but the focus doesn’t seem geared towards making S-II/III caliber solders without power armor.
I mean, they ARE weaker. That’s what Frankie said. How MUCH weaker exactly, however, we don’t know. Besides, the Spartan-IIs were always meant to receive MJOLNIR as well. The only programs that didn’t plan on issuing MJOLNIR was the SPARTAN-I (ORION) and the SPARTAN-III Programs.
> Yeah, realistically that would be the case with medical advancements but if you haven’t noticed the general lifspan for a human in Halo is still around 80. You’d think that would have increased to at least 115 with another 300 years of steady technological progress.
If we look at the history of the field of augmentations, we see that the field is growing at a healthy rate. In 2525, augmentations needed to be performed on young teenagers, and even then, had less than a 50% success rate. In 2531, we see similar augmentations having a 100% success rate with a wider pool of young candidates, and by 2552/2553, practically anyone (as far as we know, there has never been any mention of genetic requirements), including full grown adults… somehow, can be augmented safely.
There will be…always room for improvement.
> And John was shot by an Insurrectionist after being augmented
Which wasn’t the right scenario to use as we all know he unknowingly killed several ODSTs post-aug without even thinking about it.
I agree with everything else but unfortunate it is canon regardless of how little sense it makes.
.Best we can hope for his Reed’s content being silently retconnned like Karen’s.
> Except, ya know, you don’t need enhanced muscles to pilot the MJOLNIR
Yes you do, that center-point of the augmentation process. Might want to freshen up on TFoR
> The issue was that his bones couldn’t take it.
Because they were weak hence the augmentations. This is going to get annoying quick we get pretentious.
> I mean, they ARE weaker. That’s what Frankie said. How MUCH weaker exactly, however, we don’t know. Besides, the Spartan-IIs were always meant to receive MJOLNIR as well. The only programs that didn’t plan on issuing MJOLNIR was the SPARTAN-I (ORION) and the SPARTAN-III Programs.
I don’t understand why you are responding to me because i know and have said all these points when it was relevant.
I wouldn’t expect the development of Spartan-Vs until humanity is a tier-1 species. The Spartan-IV project essentially allows anybody to use power armour, without the same degree of augmentations and upgrades seen in the previous Spartan programs. I can imagine Spartan-Vs having similar power to the Ur-Didact’s combat skin.
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> > Except, ya know, you don’t need enhanced muscles to pilot the MJOLNIR
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I’m guessing you didn’t read the direct quote from the book? The normal, unaugmented person moved the MJOLNIR just fine, which contradicts what Halsey says about the Spartan’s strength being necessary. We don’t see the tester struggle to move the armor at all, which implies that the person’s physical strength has no bearing on whether or not they could pilot the suit.
Let me ask you this, if they moved it “just fine” why did his arm shatter?
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> Let me ask you this, if they moved it “just fine” why did his arm shatter?
Because his bones couldn’t take it. The armor still moved with incredible speed. It wasn’t like the person struggled to lift the arm at all.
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I’ll leave it at that
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Bones =/= muscle. In case you didn’t know.
