Spartan IIs, IIIs and IVs

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I want to know how the spartan IIs, IIIs and IVs stack up against each other, fact wise, and in the opinion of the people on the forums. I dont trust the wikia’s all too well, and i dont own the halo books, although ive read fall of reach, and parts of ghosts of onyx and cole protocol. I do this because i often argue with my friend about the effectiveness/strength of the different spartan programs and the spartans that come of them. Mainly when i tell him that spartan IIIs had tougher training than IIs and if they were equipped with the same equipment as the IIs, would be as good as them. I also dont know the augmentations the S-IVs had.

If possible, put the facts in this structure

IIs
Augmentations and training

Equipment (armour and weapons)

Life expectancy on the battle field

Notable members

IIIs
All of the above parameters
IVs
All of the above parameters

And lastly, a greatest to least list in your opinion and any closing comments/opinions on the programs

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Spartan 2s

Augmentations and Training:

They were abducted at the age of 6 and heavily trained until they were 14 years of age. John was said to have the body of an 18 year old olympic athlete at the age of 14. They would then undergo the augmentation process. The augmentations were better for the spartan 2s than 3s or 4s due to their “Perfect genes”, which increased their reactions by 1400%. The 3s and most likely the 4s as well were only increased by 300%. Their speed, reflexes, strength, eyesight, etc were all greatly enhances and their bones were practically unbreakeable. These things were increased even further with their armor on.

Armor:

The 2s were given MJOLNIR power armor(created by Dr. Halsey), which increased their already incredible speed, reflexes, strength, etc even further. John was 6’10 without his armor and 7’2 while in it. They were capable of lifting three times their weight while in their armor.

Life Expectancy:

As of 2557 there’s only 5 spartan 2s out of the 33 that survived the augmentations with no critical side effect known to be alive. John, Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Naomi. There are Jerome, Douglas, and Alice who are speculated to be alive due to being in cryo aboard the UNSC Spirit of Fire, but they’re driting in space with no slipspace drive. There’s no confirmation on what’s happened to them as of now.

Notable members: John, Kurt, Kelly, Fred, Linda, and Jerome

Spartan 3s

Augmentations and Training:

Spartan 3s were children who were orphans. They were taken in and were heavily trained(better than the 2s actually).

The 3s got the exact same augmentations as the 2s except for the Thyroid Implant, which increased the growth of skeletal and muscle tissue thus the 3s wouldn’t be as tall or as strong as the 2s. Most of the 3s didn’t have the “Perfect genes” the 2s had thus their augmentations wouldn’t be as great. There were those who did have them though(Noble Team).

Armor:

The main reason why the 3s are considered inferior to 2s is because they received SPI armor instead of MJOLNIR armor and while the SPI(Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor) armor was good, it wasn’t anywhere near comparable to the MJOLNIR armor. The reason they were given this was because it was much cheaper and much easier to mass produce than MJOLNIR armor. There were, however, those who received MJOLNIR armor and it were those with the perfect genes, which was Noble Team.

Life Expectancy:

The 3s were created to be expendable. They were sent on suicide missions so the casualty rate for them was quite high in comparison to the spartan 2s.

Notable Memebers: Carter, Kat, Noble 6, Tom, and Lucy.

Spartan 4s

Augmentations and Training: Spartan 4s are volunteers from the highest branches of the UNSC such as Marines and ODSTS. Since their volunteers it’s quite clear their training pales in comparison to the 3s and 4s since they were training since they were kids.

The augmentations for the 4s are unknown at the moment. The only thing that’s clear is that technology has advanced enough so that adults can now be augmented without a severe casualty rate.

Armor: The 4s have received Generation 2 MJOLNIR Armor, which is said to actually be lighter than Generation 1, but more adaptable.

Life Expectancy: Unknown

Notable Memebers: Palmer and Thorne

My list of the spartan programs from greatest to least would be Spartan2s>Spartan3s>Spartan4s>Spartan1s

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Spartan IIs
Raised as child soldiers (illegally) and therefore had the most extensive training, bordering on brainwashing
Nervous system additions allowing them to think and react faster
Vascular system rewiring allowing more bloodflow to brain
Ceramic plating to bones allowing increases density and damage resistance
Adding computer ports to brainstem and to body for articulation with Mjolnir into body
Mjolnir was top of the line
Members are John, Kurt, Linda, Fred, Naomi

Spartan IIIs
Most of the physical treatments as the IIs except the most costly, but included greatly increased endocrine systems, allowing them to resist going into shock, but requiring them to receive regular medications to prevent them from going through withdrawal
Mjolnir was good, but not as strong as Mark IV, V or VI as these Spartans were meant to be disposable abd have high casualty rates
I don’t know what training they received, but I seem to remember them being teenage orphans
Lucy is the only one that comes to mind, as all but three or four died in an attack on a Covenant fuel station
Lucy was severely psychologically damaged and was mute until very recently as a result
These Spartans were trained by Kurt

Spartan IVs
All adult, all volunteer group
Received standard military training until volunteering for Spartan program
Latest surgeries, unknown to what extent
Latest models of Mjolnir with variations
Unknown budget, meaning the Mjolnir and surgeries could be either more advanced than Spartan IIs due to several decades of later research, or less advanced due to cost
Palmer is most well know, but she is new to the universe

Who would win in a fight? Spartan IIIs wouldn’t last long, so it comes down to a II or a IV. IVs have the benefit of time for augmentations, but Spartan IIs were the absolute top of the line at the time (30 years ago or so) and they likely had the most training. Post Librarian augmentation, I would be surprised if anyone could beat John 117, especially in his Mjolnir, but I could be wrong.

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> Spartan 2s
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> Augmentations and Training:
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> They were abducted at the age of 6 and heavily trained until they were 14 years of age. John was said to have the body of an 18 year old olympic athlete at the age of 14. They would then undergo the augmentation process. <mark>The augmentations were better for the spartan 2s than 3s or 4s due to their “Perfect genes”, which increased their reactions by 1400%. The 3s and most likely the 4s as well were only increased by 300%.</mark> Their speed, reflexes, strength, eyesight, etc were all greatly enhances and their bones were practically unbreakeable. These things were increased even further with their armor on.

Haha! 73% of statistics are made up on the spot with no factual backing.

Seriously, you just pulled that out of your -Yoink-.

> Spartan 3s
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> Augmentations and Training:
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> Spartan 3s were children who were orphans. They were taken in and were heavily trained(better than the 2s actually).
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> The 3s got the exact same augmentations as the 2s <mark>except for the Thyroid Implant</mark>, which increased the growth of skeletal and muscle tissue thus the 3s wouldn’t be as tall or as strong as the 2s. Most of the 3s didn’t have the “Perfect genes” the 2s had thus their augmentations wouldn’t be as great. There were those who did have them though(Noble Team).

It actually doesn’t say that anywhere in Ghost of Onyx. It does say however that there was a surgical side to the IIIs augmentations as well as the chemical.

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Halopedia seems to have pretty detailed, and accurate, information on the augmentation process for Spartan 2s and 3s.

Based on what it says, the 3s didnt get all of the same augmentations that the 2s got, and they didnt have perfect genes. Based on this information, we can speculate that the 3s were inferior to the 2s.

We dont really know what goes on with the 4s in terms of augmentation, but since its designed for mass-production, and since all participants are adults, we can assume the augmentations are diffrent/less than what the 2s and 3s got, but thats just speculation.

In terms of a fight, the 2s would probably win with relative ease. I think the 3s would even beat the 4s, if only because of the additional augmentations they recieved to make them more aggressive and able to take more punishment.

Dont forget that it is said that with time, the 2s and even 3s would only get stronger/faster. So by this point in time, I dont really think there is any way for a 4 to come close to a 2 or even a 3.

Spartan 2 augmentations can be found here.

Spartan 3 augmentations can be found here.