Is it just me or are Spartan Its the best of all programs really stupid.For example Malcolm-059 he died because he didn’t lock his armor when he dropped.Are you kidding me?In a life or death situation how could someone trained from the age of 6 die from forgetting to lock his armor.Next example Cal-141 why is it she sacrificed herself for that ODST when she could’ve just grabbed the hammer with her hands like she did before when she first fought the brute.Sheila-065 even if her death is not clarified she died by a elite Major after killing a covenant battalion.So let get this straight she died from one major a MAJOR!?Last time I checked majors don’t have any buffs all they do is lead minors and lower covenant soldiers.Another Black Team they were all killed by the didactic even when John-117 pretty much the same as black team trained from the age of 6 defeated him once alone when four Spartan IIs that mainly work directly under ONI all die easily.Next Issac-039 and Vinh-030 they were presumed to die by rocks.Rocks.All right Spartan Its with Mark IV armor who can lock their armor die by rocks even if there was an explosion accident still rocks.James-005 he died by going out in space pretty much even if he’s a truly MIA Spartan still.With Mark IV you can breathe in space confirmed by Halo wars 2 and halo the fall of reach book and movie.I could go on but I feel like anyone who reads this gets the idea.
They’re tough, but they ain’t invincible. None of these incidents seem particularly stupid to me. Malcolm and three other spartans died because they crashed into a forest at 130 meters a second. Everyone took some form of damage from that. The rank of the Elite that killed Sheila is irrelevant. The Elite was an exceptionally skilled sword fighter with something to prove. That’s like being shocked a Petty Officer beat an Admiral in a fight. Having a higher rank doesn’t magically mean they should be the superior combatant. If you think John-117 beat the Didact, then you need to replay Halo 4. The Didact tossed the Chief around like he was an action figure. He only “won” because Cortana attacked the Didact, which freed Chief. When Blue Team fought the Didact on I03, they were saved by Static Carillion who shot the Didact in the back. As the greatest Promethean warrior there is, he is not afraid of Spartans equipped with armor less advanced than what Forerunner Civilians wore. James died because he was lost in space. Spartan armor provides 90 minutes of oxygen and once that’s gone a Spartan would suffocate like anyone else.
Spartans are not infallible gods.
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> They’re tough, but they ain’t invincible. None of these incidents seem particularly stupid to me. Malcolm and three other spartans died because they crashed into a forest at 130 meters a second. Everyone took some form of damage from that. The rank of the Elite that killed Sheila is irrelevant. The Elite was an exceptionally skilled sword fighter with something to prove. That’s like being shocked a Petty Officer beat an Admiral in a fight. Having a higher rank doesn’t magically mean they should be the superior combatant. If you think John-117 beat the Didact, then you need to replay Halo 4. The Didact tossed the Chief around like he was an action figure. He only “won” because Cortana attacked the Didact, which freed Chief. When Blue Team fought the Didact on I03, they were saved by Static Carillion who shot the Didact in the back. As the greatest Promethean warrior there is, he is not afraid of Spartans equipped with armor less advanced than what Forerunner Civilians wore. James died because he was lost in space. Spartan armor provides 90 minutes of oxygen and once that’s gone a Spartan would suffocate like anyone else.
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> Spartans are not infallible gods.
I could not have said it better.
And for the last two Spartans Nihilus Shadow forget to mention:
If you use explosives underground theres always the risk that the whole structure can collapse,no matter how carefully you have planned it.
Even if they would have locked their armor,thousand tons of rock is too much for any Spartan II.
So their death wasnt stupid,it was an accident how it can always happen.
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> Is it just me or are Spartan Its the best of all programs really stupid.For example Malcolm-059 he died because he didn’t lock his armor when he dropped.Are you kidding me?In a life or death situation how could someone trained from the age of 6 die from forgetting to lock his armor.Next example Cal-141 why is it she sacrificed herself for that ODST when she could’ve just grabbed the hammer with her hands like she did before when she first fought the brute.Sheila-065 even if her death is not clarified she died by a elite Major after killing a covenant battalion.So let get this straight she died from one major a MAJOR!?Last time I checked majors don’t have any buffs all they do is lead minors and lower covenant soldiers.Another Black Team they were all killed by the didactic even when John-117 pretty much the same as black team trained from the age of 6 defeated him once alone when four Spartan IIs that mainly work directly under ONI all die easily.Next Issac-039 and Vinh-030 they were presumed to die by rocks.Rocks.All right Spartan Its with Mark IV armor who can lock their armor die by rocks even if there was an explosion accident still rocks.James-005 he died by going out in space pretty much even if he’s a truly MIA Spartan still.With Mark IV you can breathe in space confirmed by Halo wars 2 and halo the fall of reach book and movie.I could go on but I feel like anyone who reads this gets the idea.
Spartans can only last so long in the vacuum of space,they don’t have that much extra air from their suit
Something tells me you just read their articles on Halopedia instead of actually read the books and the details behind their deaths.
What if I told you that Brutes are stronger than Spartans? Or that John nearly got infected by the Flood during the events of CE?
Read the books, not the articles dude.
Spartans aren’t gods.
they are still humans and make mistakes like other humans.
much like Johnson commented about the covenant “they’re tough, but they ain’t invincible.”, same could be said about SPARTANs.
also, now that i mentioned him RIP Johnson, SPARTAN I killed by floating lightbulb.
and spark, if we encounter you again as Chief we are going to kick your *** just like Johnson asked from us. But now its just again.
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> Something tells me you just read their articles on Halopedia instead of actually read the books and the details behind their deaths.
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> What if I told you that Brutes are stronger than Spartans? Or that John nearly got infected by the Flood during the events of CE?
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> Read the books, not the articles dude.
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> Spartans aren’t gods.
To be fair the strenght was never their biggest advantage and it is totally overrated since it does not play that important role in a modern combat. Other than their amazing skills and experience the superior speed and reflexes they have is what make them so effective.
I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
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> I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
They survived specifically so he could kill off to emphasize how dire things were.
Honestly I felt like both FoR and First Strike were written with creating hype for things specifically in mind.
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> > I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
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> They survived specifically so he could kill off to emphasize how dire things were.
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> Honestly I felt like both FoR and First Strike were written with creating hype for things specifically in mind.
YMMV, but I didn’t really care at all. I didn’t even know their names, and all it really drilled home for me was how much plot armor the core four members of Blue Team had.
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> > > I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
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> > They survived specifically so he could kill off to emphasize how dire things were.
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> > Honestly I felt like both FoR and First Strike were written with creating hype for things specifically in mind.
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> YMMV, but I didn’t really care at all. I didn’t even know their names, and all it really drilled home for me was how much plot armor the core four members of Blue Team had.
The reason they did so badly was the Spartans were on a defensive mission. Usually, the Spartan IIs were deployed on offensive missions, like the rest of the book (kidnapping Watts, putting a nuke in Cote D’Azure). However, no one can survive bombardment from a Covenant capital ship, especially when they are staying in a fixed location. Those genrators were the only thing stopping the Covenant in space, so instead of withdrawing as they would have done in another scenario, they fought to the last man and bought time for the planet. That’s why so many were lost during the Fall of Reach.
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> I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
I’d just like to correct that mistake there. The given figure of 3 is a very outdated misconception and represents what was the case in 2003, however, numerous books, animated shorts, etc released in the years since have increased that number dramatically.
The following ELEVEN Spartan-IIs were either killed or went missing before The Battle of Reach:
Daisy-023 - Confirmed KIA on Harvest
Samuel-034 - Confirmed KIA aboard the Unrelenting near Chi Ceti IV
Randall-037 - MIA (assumed KIA) during Battle of Vodin
Kurt-051 - Kidnapped by ONI to train S-IIIs (assumed KIA)
Sheila-065 - Confirmed KIA during the Battle of Miridem
Solomon-069 - Confirmed KIA during a mission to rescue Dr. Halsey
Arthur-079 - Confirmed KIA during a mission to rescue Dr. Halsey
Keiichi-047/Joseph-122 - Unidentified S-II confirmed KIA on Harvest is either one, never stated which in canon
Oscar-129 - Committed suicide after meeting flash clone
Unidentified Trainee - Committed suicide after meeting flash clone
Cal-141 - Confirmed KIA during an assassination operation on Heian
So even if you don’t count those who merely went missing, that’s still nine deaths, almost A FRIGGIN THIRD of those who survived augmentations. Plenty of evidence that show Spartans are only human. The reason that so many Spartans died on Reach wasn’t because of bad writing, it was to show how much -Yoink- had hit the fan when Reach fell.
Maybe that’s what ONI want you to believe…
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> Maybe that’s what ONI want you to believe…
Lets not point any fingers… Anyways, it’s not widely known within Fleetcom but we believe the 11 Spartans of Beta-Red died from splash damage caused by a salvo of MAC rounds from the UNSC Majestic. They died holding the Orbital generators and were killed during friendly fire. That certainly does’t make me look at them as being less capable fighters and honestly they all died heroes. A number of other Spartan IIs also died during the pelican crash and one could argue that the armor, training and augmentations WOULD NOT make them invincible.
~LTJG Gemma Marae
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> > Maybe that’s what ONI want you to believe…
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> Lets not point any fingers… Anyways, it’s not widely known within Fleetcom but we believe the 11 Spartans of Beta-Red died from splash damage caused by a salvo of MAC rounds from the UNSC Majestic. They died holding the Orbital generators and were killed during friendly fire. That certainly does’t make me look at them as being less capable fighters and honestly they all died heroes. A number of other Spartan IIs also died during the pelican crash and one could argue that the armor, training and augmentations WOULD NOT make them invincible.
> ~LTJG Gemma Marae
Did this person seriously reply IN CHARACTER?
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> They’re tough, but they ain’t invincible. None of these incidents seem particularly stupid to me. Malcolm and three other spartans died because they crashed into a forest at 130 meters a second. Everyone took some form of damage from that. The rank of the Elite that killed Sheila is irrelevant. The Elite was an exceptionally skilled sword fighter with something to prove. That’s like being shocked a Petty Officer beat an Admiral in a fight. Having a higher rank doesn’t magically mean they should be the superior combatant. If you think John-117 beat the Didact, then you need to replay Halo 4. The Didact tossed the Chief around like he was an action figure. He only “won” because Cortana attacked the Didact, which freed Chief. When Blue Team fought the Didact on I03, they were saved by Static Carillion who shot the Didact in the back. As the greatest Promethean warrior there is, he is not afraid of Spartans equipped with armor less advanced than what Forerunner Civilians wore. James died because he was lost in space. Spartan armor provides 90 minutes of oxygen and once that’s gone a Spartan would suffocate like anyone else.
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> Spartans are not infallible gods.
except 1337, that man is stronger than all the precursors put together
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> I’ve always viewed it as stupid- bordering on a plot hole- that so many Spartans died on Reach. So only three Spartans died in the entire twenty-year period of war proceeding Reach, but the moment they get the super awesome Mark V armour that uses shields, 19 (or maybe 24, because the numbers aren’t even consistent between Reach and Strike) of them die on Reach/subsequent engagements in First Strike? It’s just straight up bizarre. Honestly, it makes me wonder why Nylund even had so many Spartans survive in the first place if he was just going to kill most of them off-screen without even giving them names.
To show how formidable the covenant really were. Uo until reach, the forces that the unsc were fighting were small in comparison, not to mention alot of the fighting were guerilla hit and run tactics.
On reach the covenant were at their best, sending not only their largest fleet, but also their most experienced commanders. In fall of reach, Spartans didn’t have the luxury of choosing when and how to engage the enemy.
They simply had to fight when they were called to, alot of the fighting was defending key installations, long enough for the unsc or civilians to evac. Alot of them died so that others may live.
The Spartan IIs and IIIs paid the ultimate price on reach, and their sacrifice shouldn’t go unnoticed
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> Maybe that’s what ONI want you to believe…
Telling the general population that your most effective soldiers make “stupid decisions” and the like doesn’t sound like it makes for very good propaganda or cover-up info.
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> > Something tells me you just read their articles on Halopedia instead of actually read the books and the details behind their deaths.
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> > What if I told you that Brutes are stronger than Spartans? Or that John nearly got infected by the Flood during the events of CE?
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> > Read the books, not the articles dude.
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> > Spartans aren’t gods.
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> To be fair the strenght was never their biggest advantage and it is totally overrated since it does not play that important role in a modern combat. Other than their amazing skills and experience the superior speed and reflexes they have is what make them so effective.
teamwork was their biggest advantage that’s why theywon against tango company Marines during their training