From the beginning of Halo 4 through to Spartan Ops, it seems apparent that details of the Spartan II project are in the public domain now, and this is having massive consequences. I really hope this is continued to be explored in Halo 5, how the Spartan II’s are now perceived especially by the Spartan IV’s and the UNSC as a whole.
Question on that though; ONI are interrogating Halsey and I presume are the ones who arrested her; but wasn’t it the top brass in ONI that green lighted the project in the first place?
> Question on that though; ONI are interrogating Halsey and I presume are the ones who arrested her; but wasn’t it the top brass in ONI that green lighted the project in the first place?
> Question on that though; ONI are interrogating Halsey and I presume are the ones who arrested her; but wasn’t it the top brass in ONI that green lighted the project in the first place?
ONI does seem to love playing politics. If I remember right from The Fall Of Reach, they were the ones who gave Halsey permission and funding, but she later fell out off favour and was effectively cut off from the group, only to become popular again when the S-II programming was such a success.
This is actually part of what bothered me about the writing and story of Spartan Ops. In one of the first episodes, two of the Spartan IVs are talking and at least one of them has no idea who Halsey is.
The combination of some of the details of the Spartan II program being public knowledge now, combined with the fact that these are two soldiers who have gone through a Spartan program makes me think it would be impossible that they would not know who Halsey was, either by direct knowledge or rumor/legend in the Spartan program.
> What people really need to know about is the Spartan III program.
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> The II’ s at least got posters and the saying, Spartans never die.
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> The III’S were never known for their heroics either. <mark>He’ll I don’t even think people knew they were playing as III’S in Halo:Reach</mark>
Was no need really. We were essentially Spartan II’s. The III’s did not use MJOLNIR, Noble Team had genes that would of been picked for the II program had they either been born earlier (Noble 6) and or recognized by ONI/Halsey.
Just re-watched the Spartan Ops episodes and in one of them, Thorne asked Halsey about the Spartan II project and Halsey’s response was “it’s all still quite classified” so I may be over-estimating how much is actually known. Still think it would be a great storyline for Halo 5 to touch on though
If I remember correctly, people know about the Spartan IIs because they wanted to boost morale. They also made the rule that Saprtans Never Die, they are just Missing in Action to give the false sense of Hope that the war was under control.
> If I remember correctly, people know about the Spartan IIs because they wanted to boost morale. They also made the rule that Saprtans Never Die, they are just Missing in Action to give the false sense of Hope that the war was under control.
True, but details like they were children who were kidnapped were never made public. In Halo 4, it’s clear that’s out in the open to an extent
According to Thorne’s packet from the Limited Edition, knowledge on the Spartan-IIs and IIIs is very scarce. Obvious rumors would get out and some information would be known, but I wouldn’t be surprised if ONI was selectively leaking bits of information themselves. If the full story ever got out, there would be riots and no amount of shifting the blame on Halsey is going to save the necks of anyone in the United Earth Government.
Then I remember how nobody involved in the Kilo-5 story bothered to really ask questions or outright suppressed their own skepticism to make hating Halsey easier so who the -Yoink- knows.
> > If I remember correctly, people know about the Spartan IIs because they wanted to boost morale. They also made the rule that Saprtans Never Die, they are just Missing in Action to give the false sense of Hope that the war was under control.
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> True, but details like they were children who were kidnapped were never made public. In Halo 4, it’s clear that’s out in the open to an extent
It’s not out in the open, rather there are rumours. As DecepticonCobra said, it’s likely that someone leaked it and then the rumour spread by word of mouth.
> From the beginning of Halo 4 through to Spartan Ops, it seems apparent that details of the Spartan II project are in the public domain now, and this is having massive consequences. I really hope this is continued to be explored in Halo 5, how the Spartan II’s are now perceived especially by the Spartan IV’s and the UNSC as a whole.
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> Question on that though; ONI are interrogating Halsey and I presume are the ones who arrested her; but wasn’t it the top brass in ONI that green lighted the project in the first place?
We don’t know if spartan II is public and for sure not completely, as halsey says in spops that details of the SII are stil “quite classified”
Halsey worked and got enormous success, resources, responsabilities on Reach. But with the fall of Reach all this ended, her agency, section three, was nearly entirely destroyed, with their facilities glassed or blown up and top officers killed. One survivor was Halsey’s worse enemy, Parangosky, that got her personal revenge.
> > If I remember correctly, people know about the Spartan IIs because they wanted to boost morale. They also made the rule that Saprtans Never Die, they are just Missing in Action to give the false sense of Hope that the war was under control.
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> True, but details like they were children who were kidnapped were never made public. In Halo 4, it’s clear that’s out in the open to an extent
I thought they were just talking about the existence of the Spartan IIs.
If they are talking about the way the Spartan IIs came to exist, like the whole kidnapping and replacing them with “Flash Clones”, I don’t think that is public information. I would say that probably Ackerson leaked something or created a rumor to get things going since he has always hated Halsey’s success. I don’t know 100% if that’s true, but that is my best guess.
> > > If I remember correctly, people know about the Spartan IIs because they wanted to boost morale. They also made the rule that Saprtans Never Die, they are just Missing in Action to give the false sense of Hope that the war was under control.
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> > True, but details like they were children who were kidnapped were never made public. In Halo 4, it’s clear that’s out in the open to an extent
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> I thought they were just talking about the existence of the Spartan IIs.
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> If they are talking about the way the Spartan IIs came to exist, like the whole kidnapping and replacing them with “Flash Clones”, I don’t think that is public information. I would say that probably Ackerson leaked something or created a rumor to get things going since he has always hated Halsey’s success. I don’t know 100% if that’s true, but that is my best guess.
In Ghosts of Onyx, Ackerson mentions in the opening meeting ~2531 that the Spartan II program was going to go from officially doesn’t exist, to a position of morale boosting. I don’t think that Ackerson was directly involved, but more along the lines of knew about it and used it to his advantage.
So Spartan IIs have been semi-public knowledge for nearly 30 years by this point. However a lot of the story on how they were created is still suppressed. And the Spartan III program is really only known of (as in there must have been one, as the next generation are Spartan IVs), but any real detail is lacking.
The training / recruitment process for either program would be poison to any politician - conscripting children into the armed forces? Experimental medical procedures? Kidnapping (S-IIs only)? Cloning (ditto)? All enough to get the government into a world of hurt.