All right lads, it’s showdown time. Chief Vs 6? Noble 6 in his normal MKV with Chief in his MKV! 1v1 fist fight, no guns. Who wins?
Can’t really answer this, there’s simply not enough information about Six because he was supposed to be a blank slate.
I’m inclined to say Six however as the Chief lost fist fights with Elites on a number of occasions. The Spartan IIIs were also better trained and Six is evidently one of their best.
Chief however, does have the benefits of the thyroid implant.
Who knows? We don’t have enough info.
It would certainly be a close call, but seeing as it’s CQC without weapons we can rule out the training as both the II’s and III’s were taught similar if not the same martial arts. That’s when we can factor in strength. As the larger Spartan, it’s safe to say that Chief is stronger and for reaction time they both have very fast reaction times so in a 1v1 it comes down to speed and strength. Both of which Chief has more of than 6.
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> It would certainly be a close call, but seeing as it’s CQC without weapons we can rule out the training as both the II’s and III’s were taught similar if not the same martial arts.
Source? Kurt-051 oversaw the training of the IIIs and may have made improvements to the close-combat training. Then again, he may have left it the same.
> That’s when we can factor in strength. As the larger Spartan, it’s safe to say that Chief is stronger and for reaction time they both have very fast reaction times so in a 1v1 it comes down to speed and strength. Both of which Chief has more of than 6.
I’d say Six is just as fast. It depends on which Spartan is naturally more gifted in hand-to-hand, and we don’t have any information on that.
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Six is only like an inch shorter than Chief. If you ask me, I think that unnamed drug that was given to the Spartan-IIIs to accelerate puberty prior to the actual augmentation procedure was essentially the Spartan-III equivalent of the Thyroid Implant. The Visual Guide, though, puts him and Jun (who is taller than Chief) as way lighter than John. I feel like this is an error, since a 40-50 pound difference is pretty significant. Six, for example, is 239 pounds. But, as someone who is 6’9", that’d actually be within the healthy weight range for a NORMAL person. A normal person who’s 6’9". Point is, Six’s increased muscle mass and reinforced skeleton should make them weigh FAR more than the normal weight of someone their height.
I’d have to go with Six. The thing about John is that he’s not really an exceptional Spartan, in terms of physical ability or skill. He’s just a good leader with plot armor.
Master Chief. He has more experience, training and discipline. He took out a squad of ODSTs out of armor as a kid. The only time Chief lost fist fights to Elites were in the beginning of his campaign against the Covenant. Spartan-IIs are notably better than Spartan-IIIs. Chief would break N-6.
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> Master Chief. He has more experience, training and discipline. He took out a squad of ODSTs out of armor as a kid. The only time Chief lost fist fights to Elites were in the beginning of his campaign against the Covenant. Spartan-IIs are notably better than Spartan-IIIs. Chief would break N-6.
There’s no evidence to suggest that the S-II’s training was “better” than the III’s. Kurt, to make up for the less amount of time, opted to make the training far more rigorous and intense. There’s also nothing suggesting that Six is less disciplined than Chief.
Only on average, are Spartan-IIs better than IIIs. Six is NOT your average Spartan-III, but in terms of physical ability/skill, Chief IS your average Spartan-II.
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> Master Chief. He has more experience, training and discipline.
He more experience, and that’s it, and only because of his age. The Spartan IIIs are trained more rigorously and with better training programs than the IIs were due to Kurt-051’s influence on the program, as well as Tom and Lucy being used as trainers (for Gamma Company anyway). As for discipline, the IIIs are just as disciplined as the IIs as they have similar upbringings (both being trained to fight as children).
> He took out a squad of ODSTs out of armor as a kid.
Any Spartan could have done the same. When the Chief did that, he had just been augmented.
> The only time Chief lost fist fights to Elites were in the beginning of his campaign against the Covenant.
Chief lost fist fights to Elites during and after the Fall of Reach, nearly 30 years after his campaign against the Covenant began.
> Spartan-IIs are notably better than Spartan-IIIs.
Source? The Spartan IIIs are better trained, and if given Mjolnir, could easily rival any Spartan II. Kurt-051 himself described Gamma Company as “The finest Spartans ever”.
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Actually Chief is a few inches taller than 6, in armour atleast. We only know 6’s height in armour and that is 6, 9. Chief is 7, 2 in armour. Jun is also slightly shorter than Chief.
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Experience counts for a lot. Who is more likely to pass a science test, someone who didn’t get the highest grades but has been in the field for years or someone who has no experience but got high grades? My money is on the guy who knows what he’s doing, and that’s the guy with experience. And the training 6 received is not so much more advanced than the training Chief received, sure it’s slightly better but that isn’t going to change much or anything.
Those ODST’s were still highly trained, taking out ODST’s is not a walk in the park, even for Elites.
I recall one fight between an Elite in the Fall of Reach. You have to remember the book came out before any facts about the Spartan program were confirmed including strength and reaction time so you have to question that fights accuracy.
I doubt that, Holly tried to get the jump on Kelly and was hit back several meters into a tree, yes she was in SPI but Kelly relied on her speed and it pays off. Also Gamma had many disadvantages such as mental instability and that is also just Kurt’s opinion so it can’t be taken as fact.
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Experience is useful, but not everything. Training is vital.
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It’s a walk in the park for a Spartan. It certainly is a walk in the park for Elites of sufficient experience. A Major, Ultra, or Zealot for instance.
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One in First Strike and one in The Fall of Reach. TFoR is the same book that told us those details about strength and reaction times.
> Holly tried to get the jump on Kelly and was hit back several meters into a tree, yes she was in SPI but Kelly relied on her speed and it pays off. Also Gamma had many disadvantages such as mental instability and that is also just Kurt’s opinion so it can’t be taken as fact.
You can’t really just say “yes she was in SPI”, that’s an enourmous factor. Mjolnir increases strength and speed by a factor of 5, even the best Spartan II/ III wouldn’t have had a chance if given SPI. Gamma Company weren’t really unstable, they just had a few “twitches” so to speak. They’re also treated with meds that keep them as stable as any Spartan II.
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Yes but that’s my point, with the training and the experience the II’s received they are typically better than a III fresh out of training.
It’s not a walk in the park, a Spartan can lift 3 times their body weight. Those ODST’s were battle hardened and huge and there were 4 of them. Certainly a challenge for anyone, if you remember in ODST it took 3 ODST’s to take down a Brute Chieftan and they’re a lot stronger than an Elite.
Well you also have to remember Nylund states the Elite is a meter taller than Chief which is not possible, the tallest Elite was 8, 6. So the novels accuracy comes into question.
Even out of armour a Spartan is strong, the fact is Kelly is said to be the fastest Spartan. Not just of the Spartan II’s either. And no, they’re unstable. Simple as that. You can’t say that anyone that requires medication is stable.
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True, but Chief doesn’t really have any experience in killing Spartans. If there are two people, both with black belts in some sort of martial art, and one has more experience then the other, then the gap between them won’t be too large.
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That’s nothing for a Spartan. In Ghost’s of Onyx, the Beta Company Spartan IIIs (the same company Noble Six is from), decimated thousands of covenant, including Elites, in hand-to-hand combat on open plains. The Covenant even rushed onto the field simply because they knew it would be suicide to face them in the corridors of the buildings. A Spartan can lift three times their own body weight, crush skulls, and to add on top of that their reflexes are 300% faster than the average human being’s. Any Spartan could do it with ease. 3 ODSTs shouldn’t have stood a chance against a Brute, especially a Chieftain, that’s plot armour at it’s finest.
> Well you also have to remember Nylund states the Elite is a meter taller than Chief which is not possible, the tallest Elite was 8, 6. So the novels accuracy comes into question.
Some Elites are taller, for example, Jar Wattinree was said to be 11ft tall.
> Even out of armour a Spartan is strong, the fact is Kelly is said to be the fastest Spartan. Not just of the Spartan II’s either.
That’s a terrible argument, Mjolnir drastically increases the strength and speed of a Spartan. No un-armoured Spartan (Not Chief, Fred, or Six) would stand a chance again a Mjolnir equipped Spartan.
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You clearly don’t understand how medication and mental illnesses work. I know a lot of people who have suffered from a mental illness, or needed medication, and they can certainly be described as stable.
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It’s not like the 3 ODSTs were boxing or having a sumo wrestling match with the Brute. While the Chieftain was busy introducing Romeo to the sharp end of his hammer (The only reason Romeo survived was likely because the sniper round tore through the Chieftain’s right shoulder, which of course would have weakened him), Buck climbed on top of him and stabbed him multiple times in the neck. I don’t care who you are, having a bowie knife that’s like hilt-deep isn’t going to be pleasant. So, by the time Mickey and Dutch rammed into the Brute, it was basically already one foot in the grave. The fact that it’s already dead by the time it hits the ground should tell you that Mickey and Dutch only really succeeded in knocking over a corpse.
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That’s true tbh.