How do you think the spartan 4’s will hold up to all the other spartan programs?
For me I think it will be pretty close for them up against first generation Spartans, spartan 2’s would wipe the floor with them, but it would be a challenge, and spartan 3’s would be destroyed hands down.
You are basing this off of?
Things I have read off the halo wiki, and I admit that it’s a very limited view of what they are like, but from what I have read this is what I feel.
And all I was asking for was a quick speculation on what people would believe there physical and and mental ability’s would be like with the little info available.
Why you assume the Spartan-IIs would wipe the floor with the S-IVs is beyond me. I’m willing to bet the IVs, besides being volunteers, are veterans of the Human-Covenant War. So as far as experience goes, that’s negligible. Then you have to consider they are getting the best tech available, MJOLNIR Mk.VII. Then you have to remember they are getting augmented with the best chemicals and surgeries available too. The only real thing they might lack is the training, yet I’m sure there will be a Spartan-level training course to filter out the undesirables.
they are the weakest generation I believe.
> they are the weakest generation I believe.
Based on what?
> Why you assume the Spartan-IIs would wipe the floor with the S-IVs is beyond me. I’m willing to bet the IVs, besides being volunteers, are veterans of the Human-Covenant War. So as far as experience goes, that’s negligible. Then you have to consider they are getting the best tech available, MJOLNIR Mk.VII. Then you have to remember they are getting augmented with the best chemicals and surgeries available too. The only real thing they might lack is the training, yet I’m sure there will be a Spartan-level training course to filter out the undesirables.
Spartan 2’s have had the augmentation from a much younger age, and longer, and will probably have more control of there ability’s, but you raise some really good points, after there training they would probably come out ahead of spartan 2’s because of previous combat experience, and the better armor.
> they are the weakest generation I believe.
I personally think spartan 3’s were the weakest (still pretty effective)
The spartan 4’s are basically an updated version of the spartan training Johnson went through, but with armor better then chief’s
> Spartan 2’s have had the augmentation from a much younger age, and longer, and will probably have more control of there ability’s, but you raise some really good points, after there training they would probably come out ahead of spartan 2’s because of previous combat experience, and the better armor.
The Spartan-IIs also had augmentations so dangerous it killed many of the candidates before they could graduate as full-fledged Spartans. The S-IIIs didn’t have augmentations for nearly as long and yet they managed to complete plenty of missions to dangerous and risky to send the S-IIs on. Somehow I doubt that trained, military volunteers given the best medical treatment will have much difficulty.
That really makes no sense. All previous Spartans were turned into Spartan 4s(except for Master Chief).
> How do you think the spartan 4’s will hold up to all the other spartan programs?
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> For me I think it will be pretty close for them up against first generation Spartans, spartan 2’s would wipe the floor with them, but it would be a challenge, and spartan 3’s would be destroyed hands down.
You’re wrong about the Spartan IIs wiping the floor with them, both are equal in height strength and ability, the only difference is that one side is more experienced, overall the Spartan 4 program is the best one, you don’t need specific presets to create “Spartans” anymore, just consenting adults, that once integrated into the program become physically and mentally as good as the IIs were. How do I know this? Frankie said it in the latest Vid Doc. He said that “physically and ability wise, Spartan 4s are on par with the Spartan IIs”.
If you ask me, the fact that the 4s are a later version means that their armor and weapon technology will also be better, meaning that they would beat then IIs, unless the battle was equal in that area meaning the IIs would probably win due to experience not battle and physical ability.
> > Spartan 2’s have had the augmentation from a much younger age, and longer, and will probably have more control of there ability’s, but you raise some really good points, after there training they would probably come out ahead of spartan 2’s because of previous combat experience, and the better armor.
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> The Spartan-IIs also had augmentations so dangerous it killed many of the candidates before they could graduate as full-fledged Spartans. The S-IIIs didn’t have augmentations for nearly as long and yet they managed to complete plenty of missions to dangerous and risky to send the S-IIs on. Somehow I doubt that trained, military volunteers given the best medical treatment will have much difficulty.
If I remember correctly the first few spartan 3’s detachments got killed on there first missions most of the time. But I guess they have probably made it safer and faster acting then the first few batches, I still think it would be a close fight.
> That really makes no sense. All previous Spartans were turned into Spartan 4s(except for Master Chief).
Nothing really states that. The remaining Spartan-IIs and IIIs might be rolled into the program, but not turned into S-IVs. And even then, good luck explaining to the actual S-IVs that the majority of S-IIIs are still in their early teens and below the age of recruitment for military service.
Definitely won’t produce tension.
> If I remember correctly the first few spartan 3’s detachments got killed on there first missions most of the time. But I guess they have probably made it safer and faster acting then the first few batches, I still think it would be a close fight.
That is incorrect and such a bad misconception in this community. Here is Alpha’s record.
Alpha Company quells Insurrection at Mamore - Success.
The Battle of New Constantinople - Success.
Operations in the Bonanza Asteroid Belt - Success.
Six other successful unnamed battles in which Alpha Company participated.
July 27, 2537 - August 2, 2537 - Operation: PROMETHEUS - Success, all participants confirmed KIA.
And Alpha Company was only defeated after having their escape cut off, being overwhelmed by ground forces and being glassed. Even the legendary S-IIs could sruvive.
> That really makes no sense. All previous Spartans were turned into Spartan 4s(except for Master Chief).
I must have missed something, I thought the only ones offered to be spartan 4’s were the original spartan 1’s.
Spartan 1:Not even spartans. just slightly stronger humans
Spartan 2:Big. Strong. and fast.
Spartan III:Ment to be made cheap, easy, affordable. but not garented survival
IV:Who knows?
Spartan 4’s, from what I gather, are augmented humans just the same as 2’s and 3’s. The difference being that they are volunteers from different branches of the service. For example, let’s say that Sergeant Buck, from ODST, volunteered for the Spartan 4 program. He would have the benefit of his ODST training, experience with the Covenant, experience with extreme combat situations, and would probably make one hell of a Spartan. Not to mention that Nathan Fillion is a bad -Yoink- -Yoink-.
With that said, I would say that a Spartan 4 could be the deadliest of the Spartans, surpassing even Spartan 2’s. Spartan 4’s will lack the “street credit” that 2’s and 3’s have, but think of 2’s and 3’s being prototypes, with the culmination of all that testing being the Spartan 4’s.
Spartan 3’s get a bad rep from this community. But the fact is that they were designed not to be as effective as Spartan 2’s, but were designed to buy the UNSC TIME. Colonel Ackerson said that the program was designed to trade Spartan lives for time against the Covenant. They were issued tech that would become faulty after a short period of time, it lacked shield technology, it lacked all the things that the chief got in Halo 2, and there were sent on suicide missions. I suggest going a little more in depth on Spartan 3’s
Spartan 2’s were badass, but they had to be extremely lucky to survive the augmentation process. This was something that Spartan 3’s weren’t facing because the process had been refined to be much less hazardous. Two’s were also selected from a limited gene pool. Nothing wrong with that, but it means that their genetics had to be pre-disposed to being tough. But it didn’t make Spartan 2’s the best Spartans, considering that their mortality rate is astronomically high even when compared to the three Spartan 3 companies that were trained at Onyx.
I personally favor Spartan 3’s, especially the ones that get selected for Special forces. I’m currently working on a machinima involving Spartan 3’s from Beta company, and I’ve had to do a lot of research on Spartan 3’s to make this Machinima work in the Halo universe, so I consider myself to be fairly knowledgable on the subject.
> > If I remember correctly the first few spartan 3’s detachments got killed on there first missions most of the time. But I guess they have probably made it safer and faster acting then the first few batches, I still think it would be a close fight.
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> That is incorrect and such a bad misconception in this community. Here is Alpha’s record.
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> Alpha Company quells Insurrection at Mamore - Success.
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> The Battle of New Constantinople - Success.
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> Operations in the Bonanza Asteroid Belt - Success.
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> Six other successful unnamed battles in which Alpha Company participated.
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> July 27, 2537 - August 2, 2537 - Operation: PROMETHEUS - Success, all participants confirmed KIA.
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> And Alpha Company was only defeated after having their escape cut off, being overwhelmed by ground forces and being glassed. Even the legendary S-IIs could sruvive.
It has been awhile since I’v read up on the spartan 3’s. I admit I am falling behind on some of the older, or possibly some of the newer parts of halo, I’v been occupied by the forunner saga
> > If I remember correctly the first few spartan 3’s detachments got killed on there first missions most of the time. But I guess they have probably made it safer and faster acting then the first few batches, I still think it would be a close fight.
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> That is incorrect and such a bad misconception in this community. Here is Alpha’s record.
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> Alpha Company quells Insurrection at Mamore - Success.
>
> The Battle of New Constantinople - Success.
>
> Operations in the Bonanza Asteroid Belt - Success.
>
> Six other successful unnamed battles in which Alpha Company participated.
>
> July 27, 2537 - August 2, 2537 - Operation: PROMETHEUS - Success, all participants confirmed KIA.
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> And Alpha Company was only defeated after having their escape cut off, being overwhelmed by ground forces and being glassed. Even the legendary S-IIs could sruvive.
It’s always nice to see someone else who knows the material, inside and out.