So unarmored Spartan faces Unarmored Warhammer 40k Space Marine in hand to hand combat.
Both of them are super soldier. Best of the best,but which one would get humiliation of defeat and deaaaath?
Spartans reactions and speed are still amazing without MJOLNIR. Almost impossible to break a bone too. If it were John or Fred than I would say the marine goes down in death.
Edit: Jorge or 6 too. Jorge is Jorge, and 6 for all we know did all those Militias ALONE before he was even recruited MJOLNIR.
Astartes are much bigger than Spartans, and have similar bones.
Space Marines also have more muscle mass.
Spartans have faster reflexes.
without armour, they would be fairly evenly matched.
But the Spartans have perfectly trained “critical thinking” reflexes and all that jazz, especially John Fred etc, something which could win the fight hands down.
Unfortunately for the Spartans, the Astartes would win the fight hands down. (As would be expected as the Space Marines have 38,000 years of technology on their side.)
Even without armor an Space Marine is nigh invulnerable. A Spartan would be out for the count before he/she could do enough damage to the Space Marine. Here are the main advantages the Marines enjoy:
A ceramic skeleton much like the Spartan II possess, but the process they undergo fuses the ribs into a solid bone plate. Even Spartans in MJOLNIR cannot break an unarmored Spartan’s bones. So the Space Marines organs are perfectly safe.
Even if a Spartan were to get at the organs, a Space marine carries with him an extra heart, enhanced blood, and redundant lungs. He would be more than capable to whether a Spartans attacks.
A Space Marines body is also capable of producing scar tissue in seconds minimizing any damage the spartan could do.
The final verdict goes to the Space Marines. Even without armor they are almost impervious to damage. A much more even matchup could occur between a MJOLNIR armored Spartan and an un-armored Space Marine, as the Spartans increased Strength and Reflexes could help make up the difference.
I would also help if the Space Marines couldn’t spit acid!
> But the Spartans have perfectly trained “critical thinking” reflexes and all that jazz, especially John Fred etc, something which could win the fight hands down.
Depending on the company that the Marine is from, they can have several centuries of battle experience and skill built up, against a wide array of different enemies from physically inferior Tau with “wtf” levels of -Yoink- whopping ranged firepower to 12ft tall Tyranid Warriors to nimble and darting Eldar with amazing reflexes and accuracy. As far as having the faster and more efficient response in battle to a Spartan-II’s capabilities, I think the Space Marine would likely have the advantage.
Again, critical thinking. Something the Spartans have perfected time and time again. It could be as simple as them shoving their fingers into the marines eye sockets full force. Not to mention reaction times, Spartans could dodge/avoid most if not all the Marines attempts and then counter. Anything can happen in a fight when your talking Spartans.
> Unfortunately for the Spartans, the Astartes would win the fight hands down. (As would be expected as the Space Marines have 38,000 years of technology on their side.)
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> Even without armor an Space Marine is nigh invulnerable. A Spartan would be out for the count before he/she could do enough damage to the Space Marine. Here are the main advantages the Marines enjoy:
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> A ceramic skeleton much like the Spartan II possess, but the process they undergo fuses the ribs into a solid bone plate. Even Spartans in MJOLNIR cannot break an unarmored Spartan’s bones. So the Space Marines organs are perfectly safe.
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> Even if a Spartan were to get at the organs, a Space marine carries with him an extra heart, enhanced blood, and redundant lungs. He would be more than capable to whether a Spartans attacks.
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> A Space Marines body is also capable of producing scar tissue in seconds minimizing any damage the spartan could do.
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> The final verdict goes to the Space Marines. Even without armor they are almost impervious to damage. A much more even matchup could occur between a MJOLNIR armored Spartan and an un-armored Space Marine, as the Spartans increased Strength and Reflexes could help make up the difference.
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> I would also help if the Space Marines couldn’t spit acid!
-Yoink!-, I forgot about the extra organs. You could say that Spartans are more tactically flexible, but that would really depend on the chapter they are facing. Against the Ultramarines or the Red Scorpions (or any chapter that takes the Codex Astartes as law), they could win. Against the Raven Guard or the Raptors, that advantage goes straight out the airlock.
Space marine every single time, they have nearly all the spartans advantages, plus better baseline biological enhancements, plus such zealous commitment to the emperor, that they will(and often do) throw themselves against completely unwinneble odds.
Warhammer is pretty OP…
> Warhammer is pretty OP…
It’s also really, really inconsistent.
Why do we always have to pit something from one fiction story against another? Cant we be satisfied that our character or group of choice is op in its own fiction? I guess not. I honestly can’t really speculate on this one, I know pretty much everything there is to know about Halo, However I know nothing about The Space Marines, or the series in which they come from.
I however have to ask, Why would a Spartan II go into battle against a foe he most likely knows has an advantage over him without his armour?
So to answer this question I would say really it would all come down to who could outsmart the other. Spartan II’s pretty much think about everything in a tactical sense, which they were trained to do. If your enemy is Superior Technologically, and overall bigger and stronger, the only thing you can do is try and outsmart them tactically and strategically. Pretty much use Asymmetric Warfare. Part of the Spartan II’s training was to do just that, find a way to beat the odds, and survive impossible situations.
I believe it would also depend on the circumstances. If you told John that if he didnt win this fight, that all of Humanity would end, or the Earth would be destroyed, He’d give it everything he had. And if he realized he couldn’t win, he’d try and come up with a way to take the Space Marine with him in Death.
So my conclusion is it possibly would be a draw, they’d both end up killing each other. Sorry for the large post, I tend to rant when it comes to Halo. I’m a huge Fanboy when it comes to Halo, However I am smart enough to know John cant beat everything. It be to simple to just say Spartan II wins, You really have to look at it logically. With that being said I’m also to proud to say he’d lose, knowing what I know About Halo, and the Spartans It would be a long fight. so yeah I’m picking the middle ground. they both kill each other.
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Or if we told John that it would bring back Cortana Blue Team and revive Halseys missing arm. He’d be unstoppable. Lol
Anyways, I still stand with my fact on the Spartans having perfect and immediate critical thinking, timing and reflexes/reactions. Anything can happen when your going up against Sir John.
I’m not a fan of W40K but there is no way a Spartan can beat a 40k space marine.
They are bigger, stronger and have centuries of training and experience to rely on. Just imagine a spartan but in a universe where everyone and their dog can slap gods around.
Anything can happen in a fight though. Aren’t they euqual strength of say Brutes or so?
> Anything can happen in a fight though. Aren’t they euqual strength of say Brutes or so?
Depends, some novels have them punching through 40k grade tanks with their fists, and in other novels they are slightly above peak humans cough Alpharius.
As for the OP, unnamed Space Marine pummels the unnamed S-II to a paste.
> > Anything can happen in a fight though. Aren’t they euqual strength of say Brutes or so?
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> Depends, some novels have them punching through 40k grade tanks with their fists, and in other novels they are slightly above peak humans cough Alpharius.
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> As for the OP, unnamed Space Marine pummels the unnamed S-II to a paste.
gets red in the face
Perhaps I’m biased. If so, I’m not in denial, lol.
> > > Anything can happen in a fight though. Aren’t they euqual strength of say Brutes or so?
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> > Depends, some novels have them punching through 40k grade tanks with their fists, and in other novels they are slightly above peak humans cough Alpharius.
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> > As for the OP, unnamed Space Marine pummels the unnamed S-II to a paste.
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> gets red in the face
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> Perhaps I’m biased. If so, I’m not in denial, lol.
There’s a cure for that, join Factpile or Spacebattles lol.
> > Anything can happen in a fight though. Aren’t they euqual strength of say Brutes or so?
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> Depends, some novels have them punching through 40k grade tanks with their fists, and in other novels they are slightly above peak humans cough Alpharius.
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> As for the OP, unnamed Space Marine pummels the unnamed S-II to a paste.
No, not really. First of all, good luck trying to get your hands on a Spartan II for one,they are called demons for many reasons and their supernatural speeds are one of them, out and even more so in armor. A Spartan is not to be trifled with, nor is a 40K. A Spartans muscles don’t look as big as a 40k’s, but they are wired very differently, to the point where lifting objects 7 to 8 times a Spartan’s weight becomes very easy. Combine that with speed and flexibility and your talking about a machine. I love these types of discussions, because I love both universes, leaning a little more to Halo.
But the only annoying thing about these discussions, is that there are no “Specific” details about what Spartans can really do, you just get the occasional examples of their strength and then have to make assumptions based on them. For example, Spartans have been know to be able to tare 3 inches of steel as if it were clapperboard, punch through walls, effortlessly toss their foe’s bodies through the air like rag dolls and heal ridiculously quickly after receiving what should be fatal wounds. When it comes to dedication and servitude, Spartans know nothing else. They will carry out their duty to the letter, know matter the cost.
Spartan’s sense are also far past the peak of morbid. Like I said before, there are many reasons why they are referred to as demons. Saying that a 40k could destroy them with easy is stupid, they would both have a ridiculously hard time of killing each other. The only thing that really stands out as an advantage for 40ks, is their insane and OP healing abilities and extra Organs, although Spartans also have far advanced organs and blood, extra organs are always helpful. Also technology means nothing to Halo in this battle, although 40ks have 38,000 years of tech, you could argue that Humans in Halo now have millions of years of technological knowledge, from both their ancient selves and Forerunners.
That’s what I was referring to, their reflex speed and critical thinking are literally immediate, they could out-pace the marine and end up taking them down. Especially John or Fred.