Not really, people used them at that type of range constantly in 3 and Reach, only difference was worse damage
People using the weapon and the weapon being useful were 2 different things. And yes the difference is worse damage. Thatâs the point, as a starter it should be as strong as it is. I donât want them to nerf it just should not be a starter in 4v4.
Thatâs fair yeah, be a lot nicer with either pure Sidekick starts and AR pickup
Which my entire point.
Brave words for someone using aim assist. I know why you people like so much the BR start: so you can get easy âperfectâ thanks to the help of the game
If the guy with the BR is still walking towards the guy with the AR⌠he could be backing offâŚ
Just because someone writes a book or something on the internet does not make it valid. Literally not even going to read the rest because you donât care about good design you care about winning the argument.
Let me translate that for everyone else:
âI donât know anything about skill, so Iâm going to deflect.â
And for the record, it has nothing to do with anything that anyone wrote. Itâs objectively verifiable that there are 5 core skills that govern ones ability to perform in video games, regardless of genre or style of play. Some games stress some more than others, but no game uses any skill that doesnât fall under one of those 5.
You keep saying things as if youâre in the right and I only care about winning the argument, but you havenât made even a single valid point because every single thing youâve said is anecdotal and based in personal opinion rather than objectively verifiable fact supported by evidence.
Youâre a coward. You donât present evidence because you canât , and thatâs why you keep refusing to do so. Pot meet kettle.
(pointless tangent meant to avoid having to defend your point with valid evidence)
Stop avoiding the topic.
Oh thanks you just gave me the W. Admitted AR takes no skill.
Learn to use your brain. Saying that something requires no skill means that the skill differential between players is compressed downward and that one cannot leverage oneâs ability to win over a less skilled opponent or a more base strategy. Anyone who knows anything about skill would understand that.
This conversation is pointless for me because youâre too ignorant to even understand how little you know. People with actual knowledge have no reservations about demonstrating that knowledge.
If we are measuring, well I was rank 50 in Halo 2 Slayer, Team Slayer and Team Snipers back on the ORIGINAL Xbox.
Join the club. And why is that relevant in a completely different game?
Itâs not. Someone wrote that, but that doesnât make it true.
Yet I pointed out the FACTS that AR has a ttk faster than most weapons in the game and one that is far more forgiving. Again miss 1 bullet of a single burst in a BR your TTK just went up by a 1/4 second. Thatâs a huge window to punish someone when all you have to do is hold the trigger and move towards them to pressure. OBJECTIVELY it takes little to no skill to achieve this.
You are like asking me to write a fn thesis or something LMAO. I donât have the time or the care to cater to your every whim. I wrote a post on a forum stating my displeasure with giving players a borderline power weapon to start with because it removes a large chunk of skill from the game.
I have several times just itâs not to your liking. Also very mature of you to be calling someone on the internet a coward for⌠not making a video for you? I donât quite understand. Oh wait yes I do, you want to present yourself as the superior person here so you wish to belittle me and ignore anything I ever try to present as evidence because you want to win the argument. Got it. 
I was making the point that talking about stats in any capacity is pointless. You donât need to have 1000 hours in the game to see AR is too strong for a starting weapon. Itâs a quite simple concept. Yet you have brought up my stats several times now as if it matters. I donât give a ish if you are Onyx 1, it doesnât make your opinions on the game more valid than mine and if you think it does you are a delusional elitist.
Then why do you continue to reply? Oh yea to get the last word and say you won the online argument. Great job continuously cutting up my replies to make it more difficult to respond, Iâve never seen someone do that before LOL.
Your replies are the typical forum macho know-it-all pro-gamer elitist BS. You donât know what you are talking about, you got your ideas about how skill works in video games from someoneâs blog. slow clap
But if you want to keep coming back to insult me and make yourself feel superior I guess I canât stop you. shrug
He could but that means you are pressuring him, which is the point I am trying to make. It is very easy to pressure someone with AR at mid-range because if they miss even a little with a precision weapon you just straight up win the fight. Like unless the other guy gets a perfect on you, you win the fight and thatâs the issue. You donât need to be nearly as accurate or in control of your weapon as the other player yet you still as much capacity to win an engagement as someone who does these things.
Well AR is in the midrange class so I donât really see the issue.
I can outgun ARs pretty easily if it hit all my shots.
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The issue is you start with it.
Yes this part is especially important. IF YOU HIT ALL YOUR SHOTS. If you miss once you lose the fight. Which is what Iâm talking about when I say AR doesnât need any skill to pressure an opponent. Your success is more dependent on the other playerâs skill more than your own. In other words, you didnât win the fight, they lost the fight. There is a difference. If it was a pickup it would be fine, but it is a starter. Everyone has this weapon and that is the issue. Itâs the same reason you donât start with Sentinel Beam or Plasma Rifle or literally any other weapon in the sandbox.
You start with the BR on ranked and you also have the pistol in social are you going to say the BR and the Sidekick take 0 skill? Maybe you should stop whining about the AR and figure out how to counter it like a real person with skill?
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Yeah thatâs how itâs supposed to go. Missed shots hurt. Especially with the AR. You really have to burst fire at range to be effective.
Why is OP sorry? What do you have to be sorry about?
Youâre not using the AR correctly. Thereâs skill involved to win every AR vs AR fight. The people that just hold down the trigger donât know how to use the gun. Lol
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No BR and SK take skill, which is why itâs not a problem if you start with them.
Starting someone with a borderline power weapon is bad.
Iâm actually been using it over SK and even BR sometimes and winning most of my fights. Itâs not a problem of I canât counter it. Itâs a problem of, âwow all I do is hold RT on AR and move a bit janky and I win majority of my fights with ease. Itâs so braindead, the only way I lose is if the other guy gets a perfect on me, which is insanely hard to do even for pros.â
I love how that because I say I donât like starting with an AR most people assume itâs because I keep dying to it. Not the case.
No, you donât. I will continue to say this, you do not need to manage your shots with AR. If you do in a 1v1 then you are a fool and will be losing more fights than you would if you just held RT. It honestly makes no sense why you would pace shots when you can miss 45% of your clip and still kill the other player. Everyone that does this is overcomplicating a very simple thing, point and shoot.
There is not, itâs mainly about who shot first.
It actually helps. Same as the Halo 5 AR.
Itâs simple to do and is viable. Spray until shields pop then pop the head with a burst.
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I wonât deny it helps my point is itâs completely unnecessary in most fights. Obvious there are ways to be more efficient but baseline just holding RT and walking at the enemy is generally enough pressure to punish them severely for missing.
Itâs not. Someone wrote that, but that doesnât make it true.
Hilarious. You donât even know what the 5 major categories of skill are, but you know that there arenât 5 major categories. You are utterly horrified of being wrong or not knowing something. Go ahead and name every single skill involved in playing video games that you can think of and Iâll tell you which category of skill they fall under.
Yet I pointed out the FACTS that AR has a ttk faster than most weapons in the game and one that is far more forgiving.
The fact that you think anything youâve said is any kind of fact or evidence tells me everything I need to know about you. Nothing youâve said is even close to sufficiently proving your point, you only think it does.
I donât have the time or the care to cater to your every whim.
And yet you have the time to repeatedly post nothing of worth. Funny. In the amount of time youâve spent replying to me you could have provided actual evidence and ended this discussion a long time ago.
I wrote a post on a forum stating my displeasure with giving players a borderline power weapon to start with because it removes a large chunk of skill from the game.
And yet you havenât proven how itâs a power weapon, or how it removes a portion of skill and what skills itâs removing. Youâve basically just said that it requires no skill to play sub-optimally. UmmâŚduh?
for⌠not making a video for you?
For repeatedly doing anything and everything you can to avoid having to actually prove yourself. All you had to do if you didnât want to prove your claim was say âI donât like starting with an ARâ and this discussion would be over, but you chose to stick to your claim that it ârequires no skillâ despite no explanation of what skill is or how the AR requires none.
I was making the point that talking about stats in any capacity is pointless.
You accused me of having not played the game, so I provided evidence showing that Iâve played it significantly more than you have. This is proof that youâre just projecting, that youâre doing the exact thing youâre accusing me of doing.
Itâs a quite simple concept.
Itâs not a simple concept. Nothing about game design is a simple concept, and skill is the most complex of them all. Mechanics, interplay, counterpoint, depth, emergence, dynamics, etc. None of these are simple, easily understood concepts, and understanding all of them is required for a working understanding of game design, which is required for discussing game balance.
Then why do you continue to reply?
Because Iâm interested to see the lengths youâll go to to avoid admitting that youâre wrong, or that you lack the knowledge to discuss this topic properly.
You donât know what you are talking about, you got your ideas about how skill works in video games from someoneâs blog.
I donât subscribe to any idea that I cannot prove correct, unlike you. If I read that there are 5 skills that govern video game skill, then my first objective is to try to find as many exceptions as I can. When I canât find any, the claim begins to have merit, and I continue to test it until I can confirm that there simply are no exceptions.
If there arenât 5 skills that govern video game skill, then give me an exception that disproves it.
But if you want to keep coming back to insult me and make yourself feel superior I guess I canât stop you
Oh the irony!
Your entire post reads like someone that is desperate to appear right. Not even going to take it seriously, this is just you trying to plug your blog at this point.
It is my thread though, so I at least have a reason to keep coming back.
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