The DMR has been featured in Halo Reach and 4 and in both games it has been a massive problem for people. In Reach it was bloom and randomness. In 4 it was how overpowered it was and it’s effectiveness in all combat situations, putting other primary weapons at a disadvantage. (Its still wildly overpowered in 4)
Now let me say i didn’t get a chance to play much of the beta, but from the short experience i had with the dmr it didn’t seem to be any different from Halo 4. So my question is…why does 343 continue to put this broken weapon in the game?
They put a much better alternative for it in Halo 4 with the Light Rifle and the Carbine still serves its purpose perfectly. Heck, you can even put the Needle Rifle in to serve a more balanced long range weapon rather than the dmr.
I would like your thoughts on this. I personally can’t stand it, but maybe since it’s a pick up rather than a spawn weapon it won’t be that big of a deal? I feel if it continues to be an issue this should be a 3 strikes your out thing. What do you think?
From what I remember, hearing and seeing. The DMR was pretty fine and acts like a true DMR rather than an all purpose weapon.
I like the DMR but in 4 it definitely needed tweaks, not other weapons getting more powerful. And it’s funny because it made the Lightrifle into a proper DMR while the DMR itself was still the jack of all trades.
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It just stinks!
It has too much range, and does too much damage.
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Cuz it’s single shot? I know the BR is enamored but it does fit a nice niche of a powerful, slow firing single shot weapon compared to the rapid Carbine.
Edit: Well it IS a DMR, range should be expected, and for the fire rate, high damage is expected too although I suppose it could fire just abit more slower.
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The DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) in reality is used to to engage targets at 250-500 meters (medium range) and is pretty much a mix between a semi-automatic rifle and a sniper. But it’s Halo. So I guess that does not really apply hear lol.
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> The DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) in reality is used to to engage targets at 250-500 meters (medium range) and is pretty much a mix between a semi-automatic rifle and a sniper. But it’s Halo. So I guess that does not really apply hear lol.
I don’t like fire arms in real life, but the DMR does pretty much that.
The problem i have with it is its effectiveness at all ranges and combat situations. I wouldn’t mind it if there was a way to take down its efficiency at close range. Like the other person said, maybe slow down its rate of fire.
This is why I loved the LR. It was beyond effective at long range, but in short range it had its disadvantages.
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> The problem i have with it is its effectiveness at all ranges and combat situations. I wouldn’t mind it if there was a way to take down its efficiency at close range. Like the other person said, maybe slow down its rate of fire.
> This is why I loved the LR. It was beyond effective at long range, but in short range it had its disadvantages.
Pre or post patch Lightrifle?
if it was pre then it was the true balanced weapon for both med and long range because of it’s firing modes. As strong as the BR unscoped and strong as the DMR zoomed in.
Post patch the Lightrifle became a real “DMR”, the best at long range and suffered up close cuz it’s burst fire mode didn’t get the buff like the BR.
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> The DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) in reality is used to to engage targets at 250-500 meters (medium range) and is pretty much a mix between a semi-automatic rifle and a sniper. But it’s Halo. So I guess that does not really apply hear lol.
Yes. Yes. We can all read Wikipedia. How does its effectiveness at 250-500 meters in any way correlate to significantly reduced effectiveness at close range, particularly in the context of of Spartan IV in a fictional universe?
The H5M6 pwns the H5DMR at short range and the H5BR still has a quicker best TTK than the H5DMR…
But yes, yes the H5DMR is the most consistent weapon across the ranges. The x3 view obstructing scope is one method of attempting to keep it used at range but it’s a no-scope god… So it’s up to the M6 or BR user to land perfect shots against the DMR when engaging in their own sweet spots.
The DMR is the spirit of the CEM6 but put in an environment built for online play and not LAN. That is why it still takes 1.4s to kill perfectly with the H5DMR, 1.34s for the puuuurfect H5BR and 1.1s for a flawless H5M6.
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CE’s red reticle ranges were 46m and 92m, unscoped and scoped. The DMR is 32m and about 100m, (100m depending on game, +/- 10m’ish), unscoped and scoped. The difference is the CEM6 kills in 600ms and the DMR hovers around 1.5s average, which is as long as it takes to 5-shot someone to the body in CE… And is of course hitscan… And not LAN purposed.
SOOOOOO… The power of the DMR isn’t a problem. Making mistakes when countering with an M6 or BR can be.
Personally I prefer the DMR to the BR. I’ve always felt that burst weapons in games just end up being waste of ammo because there might be one or two shots from the burst that completely miss the target. Single shots like the DMR make me feel more in control of the weapon. Though I felt in H4 that the bullet magnetism was too high which lead it to being a default weapon for many people because it was overpowering on open maps. Didn’t get to try it too much in the beta, but the brief time I had the DMR it did feel the auto aim was gone which took getting use to. But like I said, still prefer the single shot to burst in most games.
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> > The problem i have with it is its effectiveness at all ranges and combat situations. I wouldn’t mind it if there was a way to take down its efficiency at close range. Like the other person said, maybe slow down its rate of fire.
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> Post patch the Lightrifle became a real “DMR”, the best at long range and suffered up close cuz it’s burst fire mode didn’t get the buff like the BR.
In Halo 4 right now the LR is fine how it is. It’s a beast we long range, but a good BR user can take you down at short to medium range, as it should. However a good LR user has the chance to survive too.
i didn’t get a chance to use the H5 LR, so i don’t know how it was there.
Anyways my point it’s with the LR talk is that it has its disadvantages just like the BR and Carbine do. The DMR has no disadvantages.
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> > The DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) in reality is used to to engage targets at 250-500 meters (medium range) and is pretty much a mix between a semi-automatic rifle and a sniper. But it’s Halo. So I guess that does not really apply hear lol.
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> Yes. Yes. We can all read Wikipedia. How does its effectiveness at 250-500 meters in any way correlate to significantly reduced effectiveness at close range, particularly in the context of of Spartan IV in a fictional universe?
Actually I did not get that information from Wikipedia dude, I know a bit about military infantry roles even though i’m not military. (Blame Arma and MilSim groups) And the reason why it correlates to it being less effective at close range is because it is used for situations where a target is at medium ranges and NOT close range like an AR is used for. Plus, I said “But it’s halo. So I guess that does not really apply here lol.” read my entire post before replying next time please.
The DMR was a 5 shot kill weapon with less auto aim, a slower firing rate relative to the BR, and while the range was longer, it effectively lost any sort of midrange advantage. Similarly, the LR had significant balancing changes, but fit into the range covered by the DMR as well.
Both were tier 2 weapons over spawn weapons, and while in their optimal ranges, they would outplay an average BR player. Neither really feels like the H 4 versions.
However, the BR is still the “go to” weapon for mid to long range based on damage and rate of fire.