Something fishy is going on here, i dont like it

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Listen first before you make your post
I’m not hating 343 or anyone specifically i’m just expressing what Is going on in my head

As you all know, 343 has stated that halo 5 has been the halo game to have the highest monthly active player base since halo 3. Listen… I’m not saying they’re false, but what I am saying is…
WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!!?!
Listen, 343 may be telling the truth. But what confuses me is that halo 5 isn’t number 1 on xbox live. WHICH REALLY DOES CONFUSE ME. Halo 3 (back in the good’ol days) had around 1.6 Million players daily for about 1 year. I’m pretty sure black ops 3 doesn’t have more than 700K, let alone 1.6M. (menu glitch to see population counter in bo3)
Anyway, what 343 could be doing here is bending the truth or down right lying, but let’s not assume 343 are lying. Let’s be nice and trust 343 for what they are doing.
Here is my speculation,

> Illuminati manager Andy Dudynsky, known on Reddit as bravo343, revealed the fact when responding to a thread about Halo’s position in the Xbox One most-played charts.
> “This isn’t something we’ve talked about yet,” he said, “but I am rather happy to share that even before the free play period, Halo 5 has had the highest monthly active players for a Halo title since Halo 3.”

Now let’s take a deep look.
We can clearly see there are no statistics here, it seems pretty vague. Now here is where things start to get confusing. Bravo, says “highest monthly active players for a halo title since halo 3”
SINCE HALO 3.
What exactly does “since halo 3” actually mean.
He didn’t say 2007 (when halo 3 launched), he didn’t give the time period of when he was referring to. He didn’t give a specific date of when he is talking about.
He just said since halo 3.
Ok, so far, we are a bit fishy, but let’s try to speculate deeper.
I picked this one up, this might be dumb but just hear me out.
Bravo says highest “monthly” active halo title since Halo 3. Why does he mention “monthly”? Why can’t he generalize it? Why can’t he just say highest active playerbase?! Or use a different time frame as “monthly” is a bit too vague. Something like weekly, or daily wouldn’t hurt? Or would it…
I think it has something to do with the monthly updates, people usually getting hyped for the updates but then disappointed in the end, but i must give credit to 343i for putting in the WZF update, it was a great update, and i hope to see more of this quality out again.

Back to the speculating.
What bothers me the most is that there is no population counter for halo 5. But if there are so “happy” then why don’t they show us some statistics then?
But then recently, I just recognized that there is no population counter for halo reach?!
Why? Why don’t you let us see the population for reach anymore? What do you want to hide?

Again, this is just my speculation, I don’t want any hate, but just your thoughts with it.
Please, have a good day and share your thoughts.
EDIT
just to make clear
when i talked about the halo 3 stuff
I meant i wanted specifics, not just vague answers

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I think he is not joking about the results. I might not know why they say it but I believe them. If has Halo 3 active player count then its good. Cod dies nd Battlefield will be its only enemy.

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> I think he is not joking about the results. I might not know why they say it but I believe them. If has Halo 3 active player count then its good. Cod dies nd Battlefield will be its only enemy.

true, but that’s him telling us.
I want to see to believe

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> Someone at 343 (I forget who) was like “we’ve talked to the pros and they like breakout”.
> And then Snakebite (player for CLG and arguably the best player in Halo currently) posted on Teambeyond and was like “nope, we were literally never contacted, pros have our own group chat and I asked and literally none of us were polled about breakout.”
> Then a poll was conducted on teambeyond in which only pros could participate, and the response was an overwhelming no. So within like a day, breakout was removed.
> also, the team you posted about killing themselves weren’t “pro”, IIRC they were just an Am team who were salty about playing breakout.

Where the above quote comes from, and more info.
After that, Breakout was removed from HCS. But the point is they lied to make their “super fun MLG pro gametype” look good when in reality no one liked it.

Nothing to stop them from lying again, especially without an actual population counter in-game to prove them wrong. Probably why they took it out in the first place.

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> > I think he is not joking about the results. I might not know why they say it but I believe them. If has Halo 3 active player count then its good. Cod dies nd Battlefield will be its only enemy.
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> true, but that’s him telling us.
> I want to see to believe

They will release the results later.

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> > Someone at 343 (I forget who) was like “we’ve talked to the pros and they like breakout”.
> > And then Snakebite (player for CLG and arguably the best player in Halo currently) posted on Teambeyond and was like “nope, we were literally never contacted, pros have our own group chat and I asked and literally none of us were polled about breakout.”
> > Then a poll was conducted on teambeyond in which only pros could participate, and the response was an overwhelming no. So within like a day, breakout was removed.
> > also, the team you posted about killing themselves weren’t “pro”, IIRC they were just an Am team who were salty about playing breakout.
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> Where the above quote comes from, and more info.
> After that, Breakout was removed from HCS. But the point is they lied to make their “super fun MLG pro gametype” look good when in reality no one liked it.
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> Nothing to stop them from lying again, especially without an actual population counter in-game to prove them wrong. Probably why they took it out in the first place.

exactly, but the point is though
why would they lie?
If we knew about the population…
What do we get?
A cookie?

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> > > I think he is not joking about the results. I might not know why they say it but I believe them. If has Halo 3 active player count then its good. Cod dies nd Battlefield will be its only enemy.
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> > true, but that’s him telling us.
> > I want to see to believe
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> They will release the results later.

source please
i’m not buying anything until i get solid evidence

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Pop counter shouldn’t be something to goo off of, many games don’t use them and some are fine without them. Where’s overwhatch or dooms counters? They say they’re doing good but should I believe them with no counter? Same applies to halo. While yes it can be used to help support arguements for pop, it’s not a necessity. What I find odd is why they need approval before they’re allowed to show info. That’s where I find it fishy and that’s where people should be looking.

also, when they say since h3, they mean it’s doing better than reach and h4 at least in monthly active users. It’s a take what you will situation, you either believe it or don’t, even if they showed numbers you’ll see people still be skeptical.

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> > > > I think he is not joking about the results. I might not know why they say it but I believe them. If has Halo 3 active player count then its good. Cod dies nd Battlefield will be its only enemy.
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> > > true, but that’s him telling us.
> > > I want to see to believe
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> > They will release the results later.
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> source please
> i’m not buying anything until i get solid evidence

Sorry I meant to they might release results later.

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> Pop counter shouldn’t be something to goo off of, many games don’t use them and some are fine without them. Where’s overwhatch or dooms counters? They say they’re doing good but should I believe them with no counter? Same applies to halo. While yes it can be used to help support arguements for pop, it’s not a necessity. What I find odd is why they need approval before they’re allowed to show info. That’s where I find it fishy and that’s where people should be looking.
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> also, when they say since h3, they mean it’s doing better than reach and h4 at least in monthly active users. It’s a take what you will situation, you either believe it or don’t, even if they showed numbers you’ll see people still be skeptical.

i dont mind if there isn’t a population counter, i need it so there is evidence to support their point

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Of a halo title since Halo 3 just means higher than every halo title that was released between halo 3 and halo 5?

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> Pop counter shouldn’t be something to goo off of, many games don’t use them and some are fine without them. Where’s overwhatch or dooms counters? They say they’re doing good but should I believe them with no counter? Same applies to halo. While yes it can be used to help support arguements for pop, it’s not a necessity. What I find odd is why they need approval before they’re allowed to show info. That’s where I find it fishy and that’s where people should be looking.
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> also, when they say since h3, they mean it’s doing better than reach and h4 at least in monthly active users. It’s a take what you will situation, you either believe it or don’t, even if they showed numbers you’ll see people still be skeptical.

i’m open minded, I need evidence before i believe ANYTHING

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> Of a halo title since Halo 3 just means higher than every halo title that was released between halo 3 and halo 5?

BUT THAT’S WHERE IT GETS VAGUE.
We need exact precise points, not just “oh yeah, i’m bigger than you by a car”
To make any bold statement, go ahead, but where is your evidence

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It means they have consistently had the most regularly active players, per month, since Halo 3… It’s not rocket science lol.

What constitutes as an active/regular player? They probably have to fulfill some other statistic, but I am an active H5 player… I play almost everyday. At the very least, unless I’m on vacation, I will play 3 or 4 days per week.

With Reach and H4 people were maybe playing, new players may have been consistently trying out the game, but they may have just logged a few one-off sessions on OCCASION…

In H5, people are coming back to play REGULARLY more than they did with Reach or H4, and it’s the most since H3. It is keeping people interested, basically we have a healthy player-base in Halo 5.

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> It means they have consistently had the most regularly active players, per month, since Halo 3… It’s not rocket science lol.
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> What constitutes as an active/regular player? They probably have to fulfill some other statistic, but I am an active H5 player… I play almost everyday. At the very least, unless I’m on vacation, I will play 3 or 4 days per week.
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> With Reach and H4 people were maybe playing, new players may have been consistently trying out the game, but they may have just logged a few one-off sessions on OCCASION…
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> In H5, people are coming back to play REGULARLY more than they did with Reach or H4, and it’s the most since H3. It is keeping people interested, basically we have a healthy player-base in Halo 5.

that is not my point, ofcourse i understand what they mean by since halo 3
What i mean is I want EXACT PRECISE points

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Someone on Reddit said that maybe 343 doesn’t include a population counter because it can discourage people from playing a certain gametype. For example, you’re going through the playlists, you decide to play Team Doubles. But when you look at the population counter, it only shows a few hundred playing it versus the thousands that play like Slayer or something. You’ll probably not want to play that playlist anymore. Not everyone, but most people. I think that’s how it was in Reach. So pretty much to make people think that others are still playing, possibly? And for Halo 5 having more monthly active players than Halo 3? Well, doesn’t that mean that as long as the player gets on and plays sometime during the month, they’ll be put in the counter? Versus a weekly player counter, where you have to play at least once during the week. Maybe 343 chose monthly because they know that many people fell off from Halo 5, and usually only come back for the monthly update, making the statistics sound nicer than if they were on weekly or daily basis’. Although I’m still iffy on what Bravo said. Also if monthly player counts don’t work like how I think they do, then forget what I said, lol

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> > Someone at 343 (I forget who) was like “we’ve talked to the pros and they like breakout”.
> > And then Snakebite (player for CLG and arguably the best player in Halo currently) posted on Teambeyond and was like “nope, we were literally never contacted, pros have our own group chat and I asked and literally none of us were polled about breakout.”
> > Then a poll was conducted on teambeyond in which only pros could participate, and the response was an overwhelming no. So within like a day, breakout was removed.
> > also, the team you posted about killing themselves weren’t “pro”, IIRC they were just an Am team who were salty about playing breakout.
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> Where the above quote comes from, and more info.
> After that, Breakout was removed from HCS. But the point is they lied to make their “super fun MLG pro gametype” look good when in reality no one liked it.
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> Nothing to stop them from lying again, especially without an actual population counter in-game to prove them wrong. Probably why they took it out in the first place.

This is really stretching it for me to cut 343 some slack, but maybe the pros lied about not being polled.

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When taking into consideration the 1TB Xbone bundle and the play for free week, it’s not surprising that there were more active monthly players in recent months.

That’s why they’re bringing this up now 9 months later, because these numbers weren’t that good and the good deals from the last few months helped those numbers, at least momentarily. If the actual daily population were something to be proud of, I don’t see why numbers or a population counter wouldn’t be given. Though Bravo did say he would see if he’s allowed to share that info and that’s he’d pass on the request for a population counter.

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I wish there was a population counter. I know they can do it. They have kids going to college for this kind of stuff and they can’t add a population counter? fishy

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> > > Someone at 343 (I forget who) was like “we’ve talked to the pros and they like breakout”.
> > > And then Snakebite (player for CLG and arguably the best player in Halo currently) posted on Teambeyond and was like “nope, we were literally never contacted, pros have our own group chat and I asked and literally none of us were polled about breakout.”
> > > Then a poll was conducted on teambeyond in which only pros could participate, and the response was an overwhelming no. So within like a day, breakout was removed.
> > > also, the team you posted about killing themselves weren’t “pro”, IIRC they were just an Am team who were salty about playing breakout.
> >
> >
> > Where the above quote comes from, and more info.
> > After that, Breakout was removed from HCS. But the point is they lied to make their “super fun MLG pro gametype” look good when in reality no one liked it.
> >
> > Nothing to stop them from lying again, especially without an actual population counter in-game to prove them wrong. Probably why they took it out in the first place.
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> This is really stretching it for me to cut 343 some slack, but maybe the pros lied about not being polled.

Why would they lie about not being polled? 343 insisted the pros were asked and that’s why Breakout was part of HCS. They obviously didn’t like Breakout, so even if they were polled by 343, they would’ve voted against it. At best, the pros were polled then 343 lied about the results. At worst 343 lied about it all.